parents who dont vaccinate your babies??

As a vaxer here, and having been in involved in numerous debates regarding vaccinations, (yes I feel very passionate about it), reasons vary from very good to the very ridiculous. In answer to your questions, how I believe an anti vaxer sees it:

1) Smallpox, which has been eradicated, was on the decline anyway, vaccine or no vaccine
2) Childhood illnesses are 'normal', and I do kind of get this one. I am old, and I never had the MMR. German measles, Mumps and chicken pox were normal childhood illnesses. Measles, not so common, but people still got it, (I dont really remember people getting it). Polio for me was a sugar cube dipped in a substance, (no idea what it was).
I, however did choose to give my son the MMR, as I am confident that there is no link between it and autism etc.
3) They contain too many toxins
4) I can keep my kids safe with alternative medicine
5) There is vaccine damage in my family (Scared of vaccine damage)
6) The Government is trying to kill us

So, for me, in the numerous debates I have seen on this topic I think the six point above are probably the most common.

I wont argue them, however a staunch vaxer I am I will, however, if any incorrect assumptions/heavily biased studies that get passed off as 'research' are presented, I will will attempt to demonstrate with peer reviewed supported scientific papers that it is a load of ole, tosh!
 
Thank you a k and k for your post :)
 
I am choosing to keep my LO vaccine free for a number of reasons.

(1) Vaccines include a lot more than just the "virus" they are trying to prevent. Vaccines need to have a lot of other additives in them to be injectable into the body. Primarily, the biggest turn offs are mercury (thimerasol), aluminum, formaldehyde, biological ingredients such as aborted fetal cells, chick embryo cells, aborted calf cells, oil-based adjuvants, peanut oils, preservatives, and more (and worse).

Each vaccine contains most, if not all, of those ingredients (plus more I didn't list). Keep in mind that the average child will be injected with 36 vaccines before the age of 3. Each time you give your child a vaccine, you inject more mercury, more aluminum, more formaldehyde, more chemicals, more aborted cells, etc, into your LO's bloodstream.

The human body is not made to expel these ingredients easily. Mercury and aluminum can build up in the body, causing a lot of health issues and a lot of side effects. For example, the peanut oils in the vaccines cannot be easily broken down by the body. Thus, the body develops an intolerance to them and - ding ding - you get peanut allergies (ever wonder why the sudden increase in peanut allergies???)

Vaccine ingredients are absolutely terrifying. You can read more in depth about these ingredients here:
https://vran.org/about-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients/what-is-coming-through-that-needle/

(2) My second reason for not vaccinating my child is that the childhood illnesses they are attempting to prevent are NOT commonplace anymore. And it was not vaccinations that made these illnesses decrease to the extent they have - it was the improvement of living conditions - running water, waste management systems, better healthcare, increased hygiene, etc. If you had any idea the squalor people lived in back when these illnesses were rampant, the living conditions of today are 100x better. We don't go poop in a bucket in our house and then toss the bucket onto the muddy street, where it runs down a makeshift sewer and infects the local butcher's shop....Medical care for illnesses was very primitive - they didn't understand coughing on people spread illness, or what germs were.

(3) Even if my child contracted an illness, chances are it would run its course as "childhood illnesses" do, and if she ended up getting more sick than usual, medical technology of today can cure it up pretty darn well.

(4) I believe in evolution, I believe in nature, I believe that, for the human species to have survived as well as it has, our immune systems must be pretty tough. ESPECIALLY to make it through hundreds of thousands of years of dismal living conditions, and dismal medical treatments. Obviously our bodies can handle a sickness here or there.

I believe that breastfeeding and giving my child a natural antibodies to fight sickness is nature's intention. I believe that my child can be exposed to certain germs and her body will develop its own antibodies, and thus she will have a natural immunity rather than an artificial one.

(5) Vaccines don't necessarily protect your child from the intended illness. The whooping cough vaccine is notoriously known for being very ineffective. As a child, I was vaccinated for whooping cough and guess what - I still got it, in grade 3. I was MISERABLY sick for weeks, but with the proper treatment (humidifiers, puffers, etc), I was fine. And not just in the child's case, but ANY vaccine has the potential to be ineffective (ie: the flu vaccine "attempts" to predict which strain of flu could be the bad one for the year...most of the time, you inject yourself with the vaccine for the WRONG strain.) I would rather be sniffly and sneezy for 10 days than inject myself with such chemicals and nonsense.

In conclusion, there is NO way to know what the accumulation of all these vaccines will do to a person. 36 injections before the age of 3? Injecting things into your baby's body that were NEVER meant to be in a human's body is just a deplorable thought to me. I don't know how anyone could honestly justify vaccinating, especially after doing the research.

I find that many people shun those who choose not to vaccinate. But the difference, is that those of us who do not vaccinate have DONE OUR RESEARCH. We have not blindly accepted that "doctor knows best" when doctor is paid by pharmaceutical companies to sell, sell, sell. It is not about protecting health anymore, it is about making money. I find that, those who do vaccinate, have done so without an hour's worth of study. They do not investigate deeper, go around what one doctor suggests, and truly do the research and find out what these vaccines are doing to this world.

And when those parents who vaccinated because of fear DO do their research, they quickly become defensive about their decision to vaccinate because they feel cognitive dissonance between their decision and the evidence. That creates a hostile person, because they have done something that contradicts what the evidence truly says.

For all of these reasons, and then some, I choose not to vaccinate. I could never justify doing that to my child, especially after knowing what those vaccines contain, and the VERY high unlikelihood my child will contract anything in this day and age. And if she does catch something? No big deal. Maybe she'll be sick, but her body will fight it and she will be all the stronger for it.

Parents who do not vaccinate are often attacked by parents who do vaccinate. Why is it any of your concern? Why would you be worried? If your child is "VACCINATED" then you should have no problem with those who don't vaccinate. After all, your child won't 'get sick', right? So you are SO concerned for the health of my child? That you are willing to tell me I'm a bad parent for not vaccinating? I'm not sorry to say it, but I feel if you vaccinate without having done research, you fit the category of bad parent. In this day and age, it is essential to research. It is essential to go around the big pharmaceutical companies and the highly paid doctors and go behind the front lines, to discover for yourself what is going on. Watch documentaries, read the clinical experiments, open some books and do some research. This is your child's life, after all.

Its nice to see the flip side of the coin and a different perspective :thumbup: Thanks for that.

However, breastfeeding will not protect from some childhood diseases. I breastfed my daughter, she died. Alot of my friends also breastfed, their babies died too. Im glad that if your child catches something you view it as no big deal, but i dont. A child can go from being ok, to not ok in a very very short amount of time. Not all babies that get ill get better. As for it being of nobody elses concern if they choose to vaccinate. I disagree. Babies int he uk arent first vaccinated until 8 weeks. A newborns immune system is very low in the first few weeks of life and they are open to all sorts of infections and illnesses.
 
You're welcome, UK girl.

Loraloo - breastfeeding will still provide her body with antibodies for sickness, which just helps her immune system get stronger and to potentially assist in fighting off a worse illness should she potentially get one. The better the initial immunity buildup, the better. :)
 
You're welcome, UK girl.

Loraloo - breastfeeding will still provide her body with antibodies for sickness, which just helps her immune system get stronger and to potentially assist in fighting off a worse illness should she potentially get one. The better the initial immunity buildup, the better. :)

I think the point she was trying to make was that her baby girl sadly died, breastfeeding or not.
 
Why is it so hard for people to argue this subject without insulting everyone who doesn't agree? (And yes, I'm speaking about both sides.)

AKK, that second half of your post was pretty hostile so I'm not sure why you're pointing the finger at other people for being hostile. :shrug: I've done plenty of research into vaccinations and have studied them (and autism) at a post-secondary level, so I think it's a bit naive to assume that anyone who's done research would choose not to vaccinate just because that's the conclusion YOU have drawn.
 
You're welcome, UK girl.

Loraloo - breastfeeding will still provide her body with antibodies for sickness, which just helps her immune system get stronger and to potentially assist in fighting off a worse illness should she potentially get one. The better the initial immunity buildup, the better. :)

I completely agree. But i breastfed, she still died. If its something as serious as Meningitis, it wont prevent Septicaemia etc.
 
I've pro vaccines would never let my lo go without! I've not heard of any babies where I am having illnesses or being fataly I'll as a result of having the vaccines! It's so common now people need to have more trust and stop being sceptical about it!!
 
Damn, I didn't last long not posting in this thread, did I? :haha:
 
Loraloo I read your babies story and I was crying.. Thank you for raising awareness of men b. I had no idea what it was and how dangerous it is until now xx I wish breastfeeding could protect our los from eveything.

my babies were both breast fed for atleast six months and still got all the bugs going round. The problem is that with illnesses which were almost completely wiped out they are now again on the rise in areas where children are not vaccinated.
We may not poo in buckets and throw it out the window anymore but we do have people from undrr developed countries who do not have vaccines bringing these illnesses over and making them more common.
 
I have to also add that treatment in the uk is free so we do not pay doctors for these vaccines they don't work on commission for vaccines.
 
Loraloo I read your babies story and I was crying.. Thank you for raising awareness of men b. I had no idea what it was and how dangerous it is until now xx I wish breastfeeding could protect our los from eveything.

my babies were both breast fed for atleast six months and still got all the bugs going round. The problem is that with illnesses which were almost completely wiped out they are now again on the rise in areas where children are not vaccinated.
We may not poo in buckets and throw it out the window anymore but we do have people from undrr developed countries who do not have vaccines bringing these illnesses over and making them more common.

Thanks hun, Thank you for reading Eves story. If it helps raise awareness and makes people more aware of the signs and symptoms (which can be pretty none descript in infants) then it can only be a good thing :thumbup: x
 
breastfeeding is not the be all and end all, it's also not magical protection against diseases, it's really not.
 
I vaccinated my baby because I made the conscious decision that it was best for him. Ok, as some of you have pointed out, they contain goodness knows what, but people do the same every day with passive smoking, alcohol, tattoos, preservatives, e numbers etc.

The reason I have chosen to vaccinate my child is because at the end of the day, it DOES save lives. That is fact.

We obviously have the NHS system over here, so our health works a bit differently to yours. Children are vaccinated because it helps give them the best chance, not for profit (especially if our NHS system is anything to go by!)
 
My LO will have all the usual jabs... I had them all, i'm fine!!
 
LoraLoo I read your LO's story before, I'm so sorry for your loss, she is beautiful :hugs:
 
Made me cry too when I read it a few months back. :hugs:
 
...I obviously think that not vaccinating your child is your free choice entirely. A parent would make a choice and deal with the consequences on either side. Its what YOU see fit for your baby.
 
If you all knew what exactly was in the vaccines would it change your mind on vaccinations? For example some of the things akandk mentioned such as fetal cells and thameldahyde.. i cant spell.. Please keep it polite when posting your comments :) xx
 
This threads more like a cull than a genuine question. I think some mums wouldn't bother to answer for fear of the judgements they will receive no matter what their reason.
 

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