parents who dont vaccinate your babies??

[staralfur]

Hopefully this stays respectful! I had NO idea it was such a touchy topic when I first started researching it. Unfortunately, I have family members who no longer talk to us over our decision.

That's terrible, I'm sorry to hear that.

 

[Scottish mum]

I respect everybodys views as your the only one that can make that choice for your child! To be honest until I had my lo I just thought everybody got vaccinated! However I'm a bit wiser now I've had lo and if I thought for one minute it was doing harm I would not get my lo immunised. It's a risk that you take when you decide to not vaccinate your lo, but like I said if your happy with the research you have done it's your choice. I do want to add that if getting your lo vaccinated came with high risks it would be out there it would be on the news and doctors wouldn't vaccine!

 

[Feronia]

We've just had a relative's baby in intensive care with whooping cough... oxygen the whole works - not pretty.

What annoys me, and what's already arisen in this thread is the way the anti-vaccination brigade love to claim they're the only informed parents (and by association smearing those who DO vaccinate as some kind of ignorant less caring creatures) and yet they're riding on the coat tails of those who DO vaccinate keeping the numbers and potential epidemics down.

Yes I've vaccinated - I don't believe in fobbing the responsibility to keep MY child safe off onto the rest of the world to do while I waft around in a cloud of holier than thou perfection. I've also had the whooping cough jab done while pregnant - having found out categorically from blood tests that I wasn't immune... because I was left unvaccinated from that because of a scare story in the era I was a baby.

Terms like "anti-vaccination brigade" don't help keep this respectful. No, I don't see people who choose not to vaccinate as the only informed parents. Plenty of people who vaccinate do their research, and everyone has their own reasons. That's fine! I would never tell someone else NOT to vaccinate because every parent needs to make that decision for him or herself.

I also don't see not vaccinating as "riding on the coat tails" of people who vaccinate. If herd immunity was one of my deciding factors, I would have mentioned it. It's not that I think "oh, most other people are vaccinating so I don't have to," because if I really thought vaccines were entirely safe and effective then I would be vaccinating LO.

 

[ukgirl23]

Keep it civil please ladies everyone has the right to an oppinion but must be respectful I do not want my thread locked or anyones feelings hurt. Everyone does what they think is right for their child. No one would purposely harm their child all Im asking is reasons for or against vaccinating thanknyou xx

 

[LoraLoo]

I don't want to get into an argument over my decision not to vaccinate LO, but I want to say up front that I respect everyone's right to vaccinate or to refuse vaccination.

I could right pages and pages about why I chose not the vaccinate, but I'll try to simplify it here.

1.) I read about every vaccination and decided about them them individually. Ultimately, I decided that not one of them was worth getting based on either the seriousness of the disease and the rarity in my area. I.e., rotovirus is not serious -- it's annoying, but hardly every fatal; Polio can be very serious (I know a lot about this one in particular because I have family on both sides who worked with the original IPV vaccine) but it has been eradicated in North America.

2.) The ingredients are scary as A_K_and_K mentioned so I won't repeat it. I'll just add that I recently saw a study come out of UBC that found that aluminum in vaccines does a lot more harm than originally was conceived. I know that there are other toxins in food, the environment, etc., but I avoid them the best I can. DH and I are vegan and buy organic whenever we can; we stay away from second hand smoke and research the ingredients in whatever comes in contact with our bodies -- toothpaste, soap, plastics, etc. We're hardly every sick (DH hasn't been sick in 7 years) so maybe it helps? Choosing not to vaccinate is an extension of this mindset.

3.) Vaccines are not fully effective and the effectiveness doesn't last long in many cases. For instance, recent outbreaks of pertussis have occurred where over 80% of the people were fully up to date on vaccines.

4.) We don't know the long-term effects of vaccines; it's difficult to study possible complications, not to mention unethical (you can't every have a double-blind study examining the long-term effects of vaccinations -- nobody in their right mind would agree to that)! People didn't realize that they were getting tumors from polio vaccines contaminated with SV40 until it was too late.

I'd like to add that I kept my daughter inside for the first 6 weeks and I don't take her into crowded areas (and I won't for a while). I plan extended breastfeeding and to just do my best to build her immune system naturally. Natural exposure produces better and more long-lasting immunity anyway. However, I am always open to reexamining my views, and if there were an outbreak of something nasty in our area, my husband and I would reconsider our position.

Hopefully this stays respectful! I had NO idea it was such a touchy topic when I first started researching it. Unfortunately, I have family members who no longer talk to us over our decision.

Thats ridiculous

 

[Millnsy]

Thank you uk girl for tryin to police your own thread! Thank you a k and k for your comprehensive post. I am finding this an interesting thread because I have never understood why someone wouldn't vaccinate and this thread is teaching me. It won't sway me though!

 

[dizz]

We've just had a relative's baby in intensive care with whooping cough... oxygen the whole works - not pretty.

What annoys me, and what's already arisen in this thread is the way the anti-vaccination brigade love to claim they're the only informed parents (and by association smearing those who DO vaccinate as some kind of ignorant less caring creatures) and yet they're riding on the coat tails of those who DO vaccinate keeping the numbers and potential epidemics down.

Yes I've vaccinated - I don't believe in fobbing the responsibility to keep MY child safe off onto the rest of the world to do while I waft around in a cloud of holier than thou perfection. I've also had the whooping cough jab done while pregnant - having found out categorically from blood tests that I wasn't immune... because I was left unvaccinated from that because of a scare story in the era I was a baby.

Terms like "anti-vaccination brigade" don't help keep this respectful. No, I don't see people who choose not to vaccinate as the only informed parents. Plenty of people who vaccinate do their research, and everyone has their own reasons. That's fine! I would never tell someone else NOT to vaccinate because every parent needs to make that decision for him or herself.

I also don't see not vaccinating as "riding on the coat tails" of people who vaccinate. If herd immunity was one of my deciding factors, I would have mentioned it. It's not that I think "oh, most other people are vaccinating so I don't have to," because if I really thought vaccines were entirely safe and effective then I would be vaccinating LO.

And your posts basically accusing anyone who DOES vaccinate of not looking into it or being ignorant of the issues - are equally bad so don't try taking the moral high ground over me.

I'm not the one running around relying on everyone else to keep my kid safe.

 

[Dragonfly]

We've just had a relative's baby in intensive care with whooping cough... oxygen the whole works - not pretty.

What annoys me, and what's already arisen in this thread is the way the anti-vaccination brigade love to claim they're the only informed parents (and by association smearing those who DO vaccinate as some kind of ignorant less caring creatures) and yet they're riding on the coat tails of those who DO vaccinate keeping the numbers and potential epidemics down.

Yes I've vaccinated - I don't believe in fobbing the responsibility to keep MY child safe off onto the rest of the world to do while I waft around in a cloud of holier than thou perfection. I've also had the whooping cough jab done while pregnant - having found out categorically from blood tests that I wasn't immune... because I was left unvaccinated from that because of a scare story in the era I was a baby.

Terms like "anti-vaccination brigade" don't help keep this respectful. No, I don't see people who choose not to vaccinate as the only informed parents. Plenty of people who vaccinate do their research, and everyone has their own reasons. That's fine! I would never tell someone else NOT to vaccinate because every parent needs to make that decision for him or herself.

I also don't see not vaccinating as "riding on the coat tails" of people who vaccinate. If herd immunity was one of my deciding factors, I would have mentioned it. It's not that I think "oh, most other people are vaccinating so I don't have to," because if I really thought vaccines were entirely safe and effective then I would be vaccinating LO.

And your posts basically accusing anyone who DOES vaccinate of not looking into it or being ignorant of the issues - are equally bad so don't try taking the moral high ground over me.

I'm not the one running around relying on everyone else to keep my kid safe.

Your posts are always so condescending, bitter and rude, why is that?

 

[Randianne]

We've just had a relative's baby in intensive care with whooping cough... oxygen the whole works - not pretty.

What annoys me, and what's already arisen in this thread is the way the anti-vaccination brigade love to claim they're the only informed parents (and by association smearing those who DO vaccinate as some kind of ignorant less caring creatures) and yet they're riding on the coat tails of those who DO vaccinate keeping the numbers and potential epidemics down.

Yes I've vaccinated - I don't believe in fobbing the responsibility to keep MY child safe off onto the rest of the world to do while I waft around in a cloud of holier than thou perfection. I've also had the whooping cough jab done while pregnant - having found out categorically from blood tests that I wasn't immune... because I was left unvaccinated from that because of a scare story in the era I was a baby.

Terms like "anti-vaccination brigade" don't help keep this respectful. No, I don't see people who choose not to vaccinate as the only informed parents. Plenty of people who vaccinate do their research, and everyone has their own reasons. That's fine! I would never tell someone else NOT to vaccinate because every parent needs to make that decision for him or herself.

I also don't see not vaccinating as "riding on the coat tails" of people who vaccinate. If herd immunity was one of my deciding factors, I would have mentioned it. It's not that I think "oh, most other people are vaccinating so I don't have to," because if I really thought vaccines were entirely safe and effective then I would be vaccinating LO.

And your posts basically accusing anyone who DOES vaccinate of not looking into it or being ignorant of the issues - are equally bad so don't try taking the moral high ground over me.

I'm not the one running around relying on everyone else to keep my kid safe.

That's not what anti-vaccers are doing. I believe all of them have stated that they would rather take the risk of their child getting the disease. They're not going to vaccinate regardless of the decisions of others.

The assumption that they are relying on your child being vaccinated to protect there's is a common one, but I've never met an anti-vaccine mother who felt like that.

 

[ukgirl23]

Well I just want to bring this back on topic so Iwill ask a related question how would you parents feel if the government said that as a low risk area vaccines were not provided to your children? And to those who do not vaccinatr how would you feel if it was illegal not to vaccinate your children? Both are very unlikely to happen to be honest but out of curiosity. How woukd you feel/react if your rights to vaccines were taken away?

 

[LoraLoo]

Well I just want to bring this back on topic so Iwill ask a related question how would you parents feel if the government said that as a low risk area vaccines were not provided to your children? And to those who do not vaccinatr how would you feel if it was illegal not to vaccinate your children? Both are very unlikely to happen to be honest but out of curiosity. How woukd you feel/react if your rights to vaccines were taken away?

I DO vaccinate but i would be furious if it was made illegal not to vaccinate. I'd also not be happy if vaccines werent provided in low risk areas. I would pay private.

 

[special_kala]

I vaccinate but tend to delay them a little.

For me the immediate risks of say getting meningitis far outweigh the possible future risks of vaccinations.

Its over simplifying it alot but so what if my child develops a peanut allergy or has a 1% more chance of developing cancer in later life because i vaccinated, when you compare that to not vaccinating and a baby dying of whooping cough for me its simple to see what i would pick.

I am happy with the UKs vaccinations because they dont do them for profit. They do what they feel is best for chilren and society. Things in the US do seem different and i find on here more american people are passionate about no vaccinations. Its a for profit business so i would probably question the drug companys intentions too.

I wouldnt vaccinate against chicken pox, the flu or Hep B. The Hep B one baffles me completly.

 

[Feronia]

We've just had a relative's baby in intensive care with whooping cough... oxygen the whole works - not pretty.

What annoys me, and what's already arisen in this thread is the way the anti-vaccination brigade love to claim they're the only informed parents (and by association smearing those who DO vaccinate as some kind of ignorant less caring creatures) and yet they're riding on the coat tails of those who DO vaccinate keeping the numbers and potential epidemics down.

Yes I've vaccinated - I don't believe in fobbing the responsibility to keep MY child safe off onto the rest of the world to do while I waft around in a cloud of holier than thou perfection. I've also had the whooping cough jab done while pregnant - having found out categorically from blood tests that I wasn't immune... because I was left unvaccinated from that because of a scare story in the era I was a baby.

Terms like "anti-vaccination brigade" don't help keep this respectful. No, I don't see people who choose not to vaccinate as the only informed parents. Plenty of people who vaccinate do their research, and everyone has their own reasons. That's fine! I would never tell someone else NOT to vaccinate because every parent needs to make that decision for him or herself.

I also don't see not vaccinating as "riding on the coat tails" of people who vaccinate. If herd immunity was one of my deciding factors, I would have mentioned it. It's not that I think "oh, most other people are vaccinating so I don't have to," because if I really thought vaccines were entirely safe and effective then I would be vaccinating LO.

And your posts basically accusing anyone who DOES vaccinate of not looking into it or being ignorant of the issues - are equally bad so don't try taking the moral high ground over me.

I'm not the one running around relying on everyone else to keep my kid safe.

Huh? No, I wasn't accusing anyone of anything. As I said, plenty of people who vaccinate do their own research. I wasn't trying to get into an argument or attack anyone else's reasons. I doubt ANYONE on either side of the issue feels that they are relying on other people to keep their kid safe. I do what I feel is best for my daughter, and you do what you feel is best for your children. That's fair enough!

And to the OP's second question, I very much doubt that would ever happen. If it did, I would have to know the reasons. Were certain vaccines recalled due to health concerns? I'd really have to know the reason before deciding what I think about it. As it stands now, I respect everyone's right to vaccinate or not vaccinate. I'd be upset if my right NOT to vaccinate were taken away from me, so I don't see why people who vaccinate shouldn't feel the same way if their rights to vaccinate were taken away for no good reason.

 

[overcomer79]

well my dr doesn't do things for "profit"...if he did, he would remove Ginny's mole on her chin. That would give him extra $$$.

 

[Larkspur]

I don't want to get involved in the inevitable debate as I have BEEN THERE DONE THAT, but given that the usual reasons for not vaccinating have already come up, and parents who DO vaccinate have been accused of doing so "out of fear" and not having done their research, I would like to link to this quite comprehensive resource that goes through pretty much all of the major objections (ingredients, possible disease links, the money motive, diseases are already uncommon, etc) and provides scientific evidence (with linked studies, something I do wish I would see more often in these threads) that allays most of those objections. The site has a rather unfortunate name, but certainly no more unfortunate than most anti-vaccination websites.

https://antiantivax.flurf.net/

 

[omfgski]

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[summer rain]

I have to also add that treatment in the uk is free so we do not pay doctors for these vaccines they don't work on commission for vaccines.

They don't get commission no, but they do get extra funding if there is a high uptake of vaccines at their surgery and may have funding withdrawn if the uptake of vaccines is low. I also had the nurse from my surgery phone very upset once as two of my boys their MMR was a bit late and they have had some type of government 'child health welfare officer' visit them and come across very threatening because of parents delaying vaccines or choosing not to have them at all. This is completely wrong and will mean that parents are pressured into opting for vaccines that might not even be safe for their children, I.e. if they have an allergy. Xx

 

[shorman]

Oh I so love the I breastfeed so that meens that gives my child magical powers of not getting ill also linked to the and I saw this on a bnb thread the I feed my children all organic so that also meens magic of never getting ill!
Also women with no medical qualifications trying to act like they no better than scientists and doctors? :-/

 

[special_kala]

Personally breast feeding does give me a extra level of reassurance. Especially those early weeks when babies own immune system is non existant

 

[shorman]

I agree it does help immune systems but it is not going to stop a baby from getting a seri use illness I totally no breastfeeding has so many benefits but i would rely on just breastfeeding to protect my child