parents who dont vaccinate your babies??

I had a friend question me why I get my children vaccinated for chickenpox since it isn't a serious illness....ummm in my family it is serious! It hospitalized my mom for six weeks and took me out of school for a month. I'd rather spare my children that pain.

Fully vaccinated here. In fact, my dh would lose his job if he wasn't vaccinated. This includes flu shot every year.
 
Nope, not really.

We consume so mnay hidden additives & things we're not aware off (horse meat comes to mind :haha:...sorry) but in all seriousness. It wouldn't.
 
just realised this question is directed at those who 'dont'. Sorry! *backs away*
 
Vaccines do not contain aborted fetal cells.

Aborted fetal cells are used to produce some vaccines because the virus needs living tissue to grow. Purification of the vaccines removes any and all cells, so no, the vaccine that goes into your child does not contain aborted fetal cells.

I do know the ingredients of vaccines and I choose to vaccinate.
 
Loraloo I also read about eve . You really touched my heart and your such a brave women x
 
I am choosing to keep my LO vaccine free for a number of reasons.

(1) Vaccines include a lot more than just the "virus" they are trying to prevent. Vaccines need to have a lot of other additives in them to be injectable into the body. Primarily, the biggest turn offs are mercury (thimerasol), aluminum, formaldehyde, biological ingredients such as aborted fetal cells, chick embryo cells, aborted calf cells, oil-based adjuvants, peanut oils, preservatives, and more (and worse).

Each vaccine contains most, if not all, of those ingredients (plus more I didn't list). Keep in mind that the average child will be injected with 36 vaccines before the age of 3. Each time you give your child a vaccine, you inject more mercury, more aluminum, more formaldehyde, more chemicals, more aborted cells, etc, into your LO's bloodstream.

The human body is not made to expel these ingredients easily. Mercury and aluminum can build up in the body, causing a lot of health issues and a lot of side effects. For example, the peanut oils in the vaccines cannot be easily broken down by the body. Thus, the body develops an intolerance to them and - ding ding - you get peanut allergies (ever wonder why the sudden increase in peanut allergies???)

Vaccine ingredients are absolutely terrifying. You can read more in depth about these ingredients here:
https://vran.org/about-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients/what-is-coming-through-that-needle/

(2) My second reason for not vaccinating my child is that the childhood illnesses they are attempting to prevent are NOT commonplace anymore. And it was not vaccinations that made these illnesses decrease to the extent they have - it was the improvement of living conditions - running water, waste management systems, better healthcare, increased hygiene, etc. If you had any idea the squalor people lived in back when these illnesses were rampant, the living conditions of today are 100x better. We don't go poop in a bucket in our house and then toss the bucket onto the muddy street, where it runs down a makeshift sewer and infects the local butcher's shop....Medical care for illnesses was very primitive - they didn't understand coughing on people spread illness, or what germs were.

(3) Even if my child contracted an illness, chances are it would run its course as "childhood illnesses" do, and if she ended up getting more sick than usual, medical technology of today can cure it up pretty darn well.

(4) I believe in evolution, I believe in nature, I believe that, for the human species to have survived as well as it has, our immune systems must be pretty tough. ESPECIALLY to make it through hundreds of thousands of years of dismal living conditions, and dismal medical treatments. Obviously our bodies can handle a sickness here or there.

I believe that breastfeeding and giving my child a natural antibodies to fight sickness is nature's intention. I believe that my child can be exposed to certain germs and her body will develop its own antibodies, and thus she will have a natural immunity rather than an artificial one.

(5) Vaccines don't necessarily protect your child from the intended illness. The whooping cough vaccine is notoriously known for being very ineffective. As a child, I was vaccinated for whooping cough and guess what - I still got it, in grade 3. I was MISERABLY sick for weeks, but with the proper treatment (humidifiers, puffers, etc), I was fine. And not just in the child's case, but ANY vaccine has the potential to be ineffective (ie: the flu vaccine "attempts" to predict which strain of flu could be the bad one for the year...most of the time, you inject yourself with the vaccine for the WRONG strain.) I would rather be sniffly and sneezy for 10 days than inject myself with such chemicals and nonsense.

In conclusion, there is NO way to know what the accumulation of all these vaccines will do to a person. 36 injections before the age of 3? Injecting things into your baby's body that were NEVER meant to be in a human's body is just a deplorable thought to me. I don't know how anyone could honestly justify vaccinating, especially after doing the research.

I find that many people shun those who choose not to vaccinate. But the difference, is that those of us who do not vaccinate have DONE OUR RESEARCH. We have not blindly accepted that "doctor knows best" when doctor is paid by pharmaceutical companies to sell, sell, sell. It is not about protecting health anymore, it is about making money. I find that, those who do vaccinate, have done so without an hour's worth of study. They do not investigate deeper, go around what one doctor suggests, and truly do the research and find out what these vaccines are doing to this world.

And when those parents who vaccinated because of fear DO do their research, they quickly become defensive about their decision to vaccinate because they feel cognitive dissonance between their decision and the evidence. That creates a hostile person, because they have done something that contradicts what the evidence truly says.

For all of these reasons, and then some, I choose not to vaccinate. I could never justify doing that to my child, especially after knowing what those vaccines contain, and the VERY high unlikelihood my child will contract anything in this day and age. And if she does catch something? No big deal. Maybe she'll be sick, but her body will fight it and she will be all the stronger for it.

Parents who do not vaccinate are often attacked by parents who do vaccinate. Why is it any of your concern? Why would you be worried? If your child is "VACCINATED" then you should have no problem with those who don't vaccinate. After all, your child won't 'get sick', right? So you are SO concerned for the health of my child? That you are willing to tell me I'm a bad parent for not vaccinating? I'm not sorry to say it, but I feel if you vaccinate without having done research, you fit the category of bad parent. In this day and age, it is essential to research. It is essential to go around the big pharmaceutical companies and the highly paid doctors and go behind the front lines, to discover for yourself what is going on. Watch documentaries, read the clinical experiments, open some books and do some research. This is your child's life, after all.

That is a horrible assumption to make that those that choose TO VACCINATE don't do research as well...just horrible IMO!
 
If you all knew what exactly was in the vaccines would it change your mind on vaccinations? For example some of the things akandk mentioned such as fetal cells and thameldahyde.. i cant spell.. Please keep it polite when posting your comments :) xx

No. As for me, formaldehyde is natural and is produced by our own bodies, the vaccines do not contain fetal cells, (years ago in the original cell lines fetal cells were used to grow the vaccine), and thermisil is no longer used in vaccinations in the UK.
 
I researched vaccines, know all the ingredients and still vaccinate my children. I truly believe the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks.

Every day we come into contact with things that can do us harm - what is in our food and food packaging, what is in the air we breathe, chemicals on the clothes we buy etc etc, and I think all this has more to do with the increasing health problems we are having now than vaccines.
 
A k and k you talk like we are injecting something fatal into our babies and that we should be out there doing lots of research to be good parents but my main concern is my lo can socialise without me worrying he will catch somethings that's protected by the vaccine. I live in an area full of families who know one another and I can say that probably all the children have had there vaccines! Now some of the children are now grown and I know of not one child being Ill by having the vaccines!! I think you must be very confident to not vaccinate your lo! I don't judge you but I hope you know what you are doing!
 
I have ameican friends who were discusted that my children had chicken pox last year. We dont vaccinate for them here in england.

To the lady wjo described my thread as a cull you are completely wrong. this is a genuine thread to ask for reasons against vaccinating. Everyone is entitled to an oppinion without judgement. It is not illegal to refuse vaccines itnis personal choice so I asked what points were concidered when you choose to either give or refuse vaccines. please keep it civil :) xx
 
One of my relatives had polio as a child. Another one died of meningitis. My uncle has a weak heart as a result of scarlet fever. That's a good enough reason for me to vaccinate.
 
Im 28. I was fully vaccinated and NOT breastfeed and weaned at 3/4 months. I have never been in hospital, never needed antibiotics, had perfect 100% attendance in school for the whole of primary and highschool. Unfortunately only thing i had was scarlet fever and was ill for 4 weeks (ruined my school summer hols lol).

I chose to vaccinate after alot of research and i personally feel doctors/scientists are smarter than myself!!
 
I have never understood the staunch pro/anti vaccine line. The vaccines are all different formulas with different ingredients, made by different companies, to prevent diseases with huge differences in severity. I think you have to look at vaccines one by one, not as a whole.

We did not get the newborn Hep B vaccine. My one day old does not need protection against a disease that is primarily transmitted through sexual contact or shared needles. We will get it, but not until much later.

We will not get the flu vaccine. They rush it through screening and no one knows the long term effects. Every other drug is still in the experimental stage when this vaccine is being injected into millions. On the risk/benefit scale, it's far too much of a risk for me.

We will not get the chicken pox vaccine unless she has not had it by thirteen years old. Honestly, the chicken pox is not much of a threat to children, only adults.

Every other vaccine she is getting. With our next, I will probably do more of a delayed vaccine schedule.

I think if you're going to use the word 'irresponsible' about either side of the argument, you need to realize that it would be irresponsible for you and yours. I know very few people who take this decision lightly. You are injecting chemicals into a developing child. It's one of the most serious decisions we make.
 
We have done the others but aren't doing the MMR, i have type 1 diabetes and its too much of a coincidence so many LO's are diagnosed with type 1 at 13 months, type 1 diabetes was much less common before vaccines were widely introduced. :)
 
I would just like to thank the poster who gave reasons for not vaccinating. It is nice to see actual reasoning behind choices (whether others agree or not).
So far my LO has had his first 3 batches, and to be honest i wasnt very comfortable with it, i dont like anything like that for myself.

It is something i struggle with. Thanks for this thread though, i like reading the reasoning behind decisions.
 
Admittedly I'm a bit on the fence with the chicken pox vaccine as well. Though I barely went ahead with the rotavirus vaccine and ended up very happy that we did.

Tough one! I'm delaying her MMR anyway so maybe I'll go ahead and delay the varicella as well until I can come to a conclusion.

Randianne, you're completely right. It doesn't have to be all or nothing!
 
Admittedly I'm a bit on the fence with the chicken pox vaccine as well. Though I barely went ahead with the rotavirus vaccine and ended up very happy that we did.

Tough one! I'm delaying her MMR anyway so maybe I'll go ahead and delay the varicella as well until I can come to a conclusion.

Randianne, you're completely right. It doesn't have to be all or nothing!

Is there a reason to delay the MMR? I've been thinking about this as well.
 
I don't want to get into an argument over my decision not to vaccinate LO, but I want to say up front that I respect everyone's right to vaccinate or to refuse vaccination.

I could right pages and pages about why I chose not the vaccinate, but I'll try to simplify it here.

1.) I read about every vaccination and decided about them them individually. Ultimately, I decided that not one of them was worth getting based on either the seriousness of the disease and the rarity in my area. I.e., rotovirus is not serious -- it's annoying, but hardly every fatal; Polio can be very serious (I know a lot about this one in particular because I have family on both sides who worked with the original IPV vaccine) but it has been eradicated in North America.

2.) The ingredients are scary as A_K_and_K mentioned so I won't repeat it. I'll just add that I recently saw a study come out of UBC that found that aluminum in vaccines does a lot more harm than originally was conceived. I know that there are other toxins in food, the environment, etc., but I avoid them the best I can. DH and I are vegan and buy organic whenever we can; we stay away from second hand smoke and research the ingredients in whatever comes in contact with our bodies -- toothpaste, soap, plastics, etc. We're hardly every sick (DH hasn't been sick in 7 years) so maybe it helps? Choosing not to vaccinate is an extension of this mindset.

3.) Vaccines are not fully effective and the effectiveness doesn't last long in many cases. For instance, recent outbreaks of pertussis have occurred where over 80% of the people were fully up to date on vaccines.

4.) We don't know the long-term effects of vaccines; it's difficult to study possible complications, not to mention unethical (you can't every have a double-blind study examining the long-term effects of vaccinations -- nobody in their right mind would agree to that)! People didn't realize that they were getting tumors from polio vaccines contaminated with SV40 until it was too late.

I'd like to add that I kept my daughter inside for the first 6 weeks and I don't take her into crowded areas (and I won't for a while). I plan extended breastfeeding and to just do my best to build her immune system naturally. Natural exposure produces better and more long-lasting immunity anyway. However, I am always open to reexamining my views, and if there were an outbreak of something nasty in our area, my husband and I would reconsider our position.

Hopefully this stays respectful! I had NO idea it was such a touchy topic when I first started researching it. Unfortunately, I have family members who no longer talk to us over our decision. :(
 
Admittedly I'm a bit on the fence with the chicken pox vaccine as well. Though I barely went ahead with the rotavirus vaccine and ended up very happy that we did.

Tough one! I'm delaying her MMR anyway so maybe I'll go ahead and delay the varicella as well until I can come to a conclusion.

Randianne, you're completely right. It doesn't have to be all or nothing!

Is there a reason to delay the MMR? I've been thinking about this as well.

There has been research that indicates an increased efficacy after 15 months. The "ideal" time to administer it being 15-18 months I believe.

I spoke to Abby's doctor about it and she wasn't familiar with that research, but she said there's no harm in delaying if I think there's merit to it.
 
We've just had a relative's baby in intensive care with whooping cough... oxygen the whole works - not pretty.

What annoys me, and what's already arisen in this thread is the way the anti-vaccination brigade love to claim they're the only informed parents (and by association smearing those who DO vaccinate as some kind of ignorant less caring creatures) and yet they're riding on the coat tails of those who DO vaccinate keeping the numbers and potential epidemics down.

Yes I've vaccinated - I don't believe in fobbing the responsibility to keep MY child safe off onto the rest of the world to do while I waft around in a cloud of holier than thou perfection. I've also had the whooping cough jab done while pregnant - having found out categorically from blood tests that I wasn't immune... because I was left unvaccinated from that because of a scare story in the era I was a baby.
 

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