positive opk @ 8dpo...HELP!!!

[FngrsCrossed]

Yum...corn on the cob! I hope it is a sign of O for you! Hopefully you'll get some answers in the morning. I think I will still be in the dark. My temp is still low right now. I know it doesn't really count during the day/ night, but if I O'd my random temps should be 98 or over. I took it a few mins ago and it was 96.8.... Lol...was at one point last night too. Not so sure about this thermometer and its favorite temps. It probably isn't as accurate as my old one. If this cycle is a bust, I may buy a different bbt.

Ya' know, I almost bought a new one last cycle. But decided old faithful is doing good enough. If anything I think I am just going to change the battery. Think I can get one at WalMart for a few bucks. I have temped at night just to see where I was temp wise, and made predictions according to my readings. So I don't knock you for that one. Especially with my hot flashes, I would do it and could predict my thermal shift. I could do that now.. ok 99.73 guess morning will tell if I have a thermal shift or not.

I hope this cycle isn't a bust for you. It can't be. Not with those beautiful pre-ovulatory temps you have. I think the clomid just woke up the ovaries and they are going to do the job all on their own again.

 

[L.E.]

I hope so, Fngrs (ovaries woke up thing). Wow! 99.73! I bet you see a nice jump tomorrow! I have never seen a temp that high on a bbt without being really sick. Well off to bed. Hoping to see you big shift In the morning.

 

[FngrsCrossed]

Ok so the thermal shift is noticeable now. I woke up about 20 minutes early, but my temp was 97.86 which is a good thing. Thing is when I put a fake temp into TCOYF for tomorrow, it gave me ovulation for CD13 and on FF it's CD14. I ovulated on CD13 last cycle, which surprised me. I think it was because I was so relaxed and enjoying being with my family so much that it made me ovulate early. I however got AF 2 days late. Wish I would have gotten a + hpt.

I try to trust FF more than TCOYF, but I noticed the evening of CD14 I was dry and started with the scant sticky mucus. I usually get a lot of sticky mucus after ovulation. But it is quite possible that I ovulated on CD13. I am just soooo used to the pre-ovulation dip. It's crazy that I didn't get it this time. If you look on all of my charts that I really charted you will see it. This is the first time I haven't seen it. So I think I am leaning more toward TCOYF's prediction right now, just because of the CM observations matching up perfectly. I think when FF gives you a forcasted ovulation day it likes to stick with that no matter what your CM observations are. Anyway, I switched my method of prediction to FAM instead of advanced, that way it will be more accurate. I took off my ferning observations to see if that would make prediction better and it didn't make a difference with FF. TCOYF is automatically set to not use any ferning, just temps. I just want them on my chart of reference. Maybe I should get another VIP membership. I let it run out and didn't get another one. Maybe a VIP membership would be more accurate? You think? I hate to say what I am going to say about FF but here goes. I think they rip you off if you aren't a VIP member. They give you the wrong fertile days and forcasted ovulation dates. I remember before I had the VIP membership and I was temping, my calender the following month would read that I was fertile and/or going to ovulate later than the CD I usually did. The moment I got the VIP membership, that's when I got honesty out of FF. I looked back at my calenders and it showed me the days that I REALLY was fertile and REAL ovulation dates. It sucks but...

 

[L.E.]

Hmmm well I hope that's not the case with FF. I can't say from experience because I wasn't O'ing. I personally trust FF more than TCOYF. TCOYF wasn't even giving me an egg for last month, but I don't know if that's because I had removed FAM detection off my chart, so I put it back on and got the egg for CD41. FF gave me CD40, which is what I thought made sense.

Either way it looks like you O'd now. . Maybe the picture will be clearer in a few days. How late did you take your temp on Sunday? I was wondering if it was really late and would've been your dip had it been taken earlier.

Well, for me, my temp did go up, but just to the "peaks" of my pre-O rocky mountain temps. So either it's going to keep going up and down again or I O'd. DH and I were not successful in our BD attempt last night. It's been too much BDing for DH and we've had trouble the last couple times. This time it just didn't happen. I'm hoping there were still a few swimmers. I don't even want to bother DH with trying to BD tonight or tomorrow, so I really hope O already happened, or that it is a week away. I think if tomorrow's temp is back down then I'll go out and get some OPKs, so I can watch for O that way. We started too early- CD5. If I don't end up with a bfp this cycle, then I'll go on to using opks the entire time next cycle. They're hard on me mentally, but it would save on so much timed BDing.

 

[FngrsCrossed]

OK I think you did ovulate...and I am sure that I did also. I knew with those hot flashes last night that I was sure to wake up with an obvious thermal shift. Plus the complete dry up. Unusual for me but ok, I accept it. Maybe it's God way of saving DH from anymore dancing for while. God knows if things are that dry there is no way I am going to attempt another escapade.

I think your temp spike is so big that it could be obvious prelude to two more higher temps. Plus your previous temp looks like it was your ovulation temp for last cycle. With all of your fertile CM the swimmers should have been well protected to be able to last a good while if not 7 days at least 5. They may have been lingering around the fallopian tube and we all know that gives them a lot of nourishment so that they can live longer and also be able thrive with our body temp.

I guess you poor DH can relate to how my DH feels. We started CD7(danced twice) and only missed dancing CD9 and CD12. So that's 7(x's 2),8,10,11,13,14...Poor guys. After all of that effort we deserve or bfp!

I usually temp at 6 a.m. sharp...but I ended up temping at 8:54 a.m. So that's almost a full 3 hours late. The estimate for the correct time is 96.80F I think. I mean it's quite possible that I could have had a dip that day. I won't argue otherwise. The only way to be able to rule it out would be to have woke at the proper time. Sooo it's possible that could have been my dip. Just thought, "oh well it's like the others so I will leave it unadjusted". I thought for sure I would ovulate late because AF was 2 days late. Guess not. When I had the chemical in Jan 2012 it took ages to ovulate. FF says CD15 I think in all honesty that it was CD17.

OK so I will post another post after this one so you can see what I am talking about with the FF thing not being honest with anyone other than VIP members...

 

[FngrsCrossed]

OK in this post you see my calendar for last cycle November 28, 2012 to December 26, 2012. The Calendar says that I ovulated on CD16(12/13). I actually ovulated on CD13 (12/10). That's 3 days after I actually ovulated. What if like so many women I was relying on that info with everything in me? What if I had to plan BD'ing, because my DH worked out of town? See where I am going with this??? Just compare the calendar to my chart for that cycle. It's obvious when I ovulated...no questions about it. Tell me what you think after you have taken a look at the "FF wise guys." Horrible to do to people. Only paying members can get the truth?! Shameful...

 

[L.E.]

That IS weird with the FF calendar! I think I may be waiting on O still. I wish I wasn't but I think that's the case. Tomorrow's temp will tell me more.

I've said before that DH and I do not have a high drive. So we're usually like once- a-week-ers. Good for us would be 2x a week, and worst (bleeding issues) was like 12 weeks without I think. We BD cd 5,7,9,11,14, and attempted 16. So tried 6 times in 11 days...which isn't a lot for most people, but normally we'd have maybe 2 times, so it's a lot for us! I think my temp will be back down tomorrow and I'll get opks. Maybe DH will be up for BD tomorrow. I have no plans on trying tonight. I think my cvx is still high and soft...not quite sure of cm...so I'll figure that out later and mark accordingly. Grr body.

edit: Well my cvx is indeed still H/S and W...

 

[mzswizz]

how's everyone?

AFM, im cd9 today. I've been away because i have just been very tired and just talking to dh as much as possible also trying to just enjoy pampering myself. Also, i have been going out with my friend and just spending time with her as well so i been pretty busy. I had random spotting for a few hours yesterday. But it stopped the same day. Dont know what the cause is but im pretty sure it has something to do with the bcps. Im just ready to be done with the bcps if you ask me. I have been bleeding more with the pills than without. I dont know if thats a good or bad thing. Also, forgot to update about the hematologist. He said i am borderline anemic because my iron levels are at 25% and anemic will be 15% but he thinks its due to my long AFs. So i have to take iron supplements every day until my next appt and work from there. Also, found out dh has to get tested for the Hemoglobin C trait because if we both have it..then our baby will have a 25% chance of being anemic. So he has to get that done. But other than that everything has been going pretty good. Time is flying quickly. I am almost done with week 1 of month 3 bc packet So thats pretty good. Cant wait for the day I take that last pill and be done with it.

 

[L.E.]

MzSwizz, Glad things are going well. It does seem like the BC isn't being very helpful, or at least not nice to you. Hopefully all goes well with DHs labs and your numbers come up. I was chronically anemic from all my issues. Don't know if I still am or not, as I haven't been checked in almost 2 years. But it's no fun.

My update: Well just when you think today's temp will tell you something, your body just mocks you. I figured if today's temp was lower than yesterday's, then I didn't ovulate.... and if it's higher, then maybe I did O. So of course todays temp is EXACTLY the same! Stupid thermometer and favorite temps. To top it off, DH called me to pick him up from work because he had a panic attack and threw up. So I got up and what did I see when I went to the bathroom? Blood. I'm glad I was wearing a liner, but I still had a little mess. I'd say it was like a light AF. Already seems to have dwindled down. I'm definitely picking up opks later. I'm wondering if it is ovulation bleeding. I had it in December 2011 but chalked it down to it being my first time Oing in 5 years and it was a late O (bleeding was CD50 early morning). I got it the night after my first definitely positive OPK and the afternoon after the bleeding I got the darkest OPK. So I'm really curious to see what my opks look like. Of course I can't be sure of which day I O'd that cycle. If I had a 14 day LP like last month, then it was the day of the bleeding. I'm inclined to think it was the next day and I had a 13 day LP, but I don't really know.

Ok enough blabbering. I'll let you know when I test with opks. My body never plays nice. Oh and of course I haven't successfully BD in 4 days, so that's no good. I thought our timed BD was over for a little bit- either I O'd or O would still be several days off based on my temps.

 

[L.E.]

Fngrs, Do you think CD15 was O day for you?

No real answers here. Just took an opk. Very short hold but pretty good concentration and it is negative. There's definitely a visible line but not as dark as the one the other day. Maybe I should've kept using the opks. Oh well. I'll try again later with limiting fluids and holding it, but that probably won't be til later tonight. Here's 2 pics of the opk at 9 mins.

 

[FngrsCrossed]

Fngrs, Do you think CD15 was O day for you?

No real answers here. Just took an opk. Very short hold but pretty good concentration and it is negative. There's definitely a visible line but not as dark as the one the other day. Maybe I should've kept using the opks. Oh well. I'll try again later with limiting fluids and holding it, but that probably won't be til later tonight. Here's 2 pics of the opk at 9 mins.

Ok with those opk's now I can't even say what's going on. I looked at your chart and thought...ok maybe you did ovulate if you took out CD11 using Rule of thumb. But if left as is it looks like ovulation is impending...I mean, do you think that the dark opk you have was "the one" "the indicator" that ovulation happened...and you just didn't get a CM dry up? I know I am encouraging you to have possible "wishful thinking" where ovulation is concerned; but look at it this was, if you haven't ovulated then you still have time to dance. Especially since you are S.H.O.W and you are down to spotting. Then again it could be ovulation spotting. Right? I am confusing the situation, I know. But that opk has just said NOTHING to help out. Neither has you temp today. I tell you...blasted bodies have absolutely no idea what its suppose to do at times.

I think I ovulated no later than the morning of CD14..I am still sticking with CD13 just because of the CM dry up on CD14 and dry desert feel during the evening. When I say dry..I mean DRY. DH couldn't even enter the premises, if you know what I mean...had to use lube. It's just taken a little bit to get those crosshairs from FF. By now I usually have them. But then my temps are obvious. So I am thinking something is fishy. I would have thought that FF would also use the rule of thumb, like TCOYF. Because that 97.78 can be eliminated. It's kinda way back there on the chart, and it wouldn't hurt anything to lose it.

Are you going to opk later tonight?

 

[FngrsCrossed]

Ok sooooo because of my addiction I decided to have a little fun. But now I am thinking I am either nuts (for seeing something) or I actually DO see something. Lisa...help me out here. Do you see a thing..besides one line? At the 3 and 5 minute mark it looked like the test was still developing...I say that because of the streaks of dye. Thoughts?

Will add another post of the 10 minute mark at a different angle.

 

[FngrsCrossed]

These tests are leaned upright on a roll of medical tape.

 

[L.E.]

Hmm, Fngrs, I can't be sure. I can't blame you for taking the hpt because I was wondering about that with your temps. I can almost see something on the 1st set of pics at the 10 min mark, but I decided it could be the dye running in between the test and control. The only thing is, that especially since your temps are vaginal (right?), I would expect them to be higher if you were already preggers like from earlier in the cycle, and if it was from last cycle you would have a dark test. But I do think it's very possible that CD12 was your O day and you're 5 dpo.. I'd say that or CD15 and you dried up early.

I'm about to go take another OPK now.

 

[L.E.]

Ok while I'm waiting a few mins on the opk... I did check my cvx and it is still pretty high but medium or firm...I'm calling it medium. And I *think* my cvx is closed, but I'm not good at telling. I can feel the slit but I don't think it really feels open. Dunno. I don't know what to call my cm. I can't really tell if it's creamy or watery because the tint from the bleeding earlier makes it very similar to my skin color. The bleeding I had reminds me sooo much of the ovulation bleeding a year ago where I have a small gush and then it's pretty much gone right away.

DH hasn't felt well all day since his panic attack so I don't know if he'll be up for BDing or not.

So about my opk... I don't know how long of a hold it was lol... and I did have a can of pop earlier. I'd call the concentration "good" but not "excellent". I thought at first it was going to be super-light but now that I've hit about 8 mins, it looks pretty decent. Not positive, but not bad either. Your thoughts?

 

[L.E.]

Took another opk and it was less impressive.

 

[FngrsCrossed]

Those opk's look pretty darn good...especially compared to the previous opk. How did he last one this evening look? Was it that bad? :/ I imagine its bot going to be much viewing pleasure if it wasn't a good hold. But the newbie opks look amazing. Although, now I am not so sure if you ovulated the other day. I wonder if it will be darker tomorrow. It looks like a blazing positive isn't too far off, if anything. So maybe within the next day or two something might happen.

I am so sorry your DH isn't feeling well. I used to have panic attacks when I was a teen, and they are not fun. The last one was when my grandfather passed away in 2005. I hadn't had one since being a teen until then. I sure hope he feels better soon. And I am glad that your opk isn't quite positive yet, so at least you may have a couple of days to get some dancing in.

Just remember the percentages and feel at least a little reassured...So if your Dh is better by tomorrow morning...Annnnnd you are another couple days out from ovulation, you will still be able to get the 28 and 26 percent, because then the dancing will be able to commence!!! And I am sure, even at 4 days since dancing, there are plenty of healthy swimmers in your fallopian tube waiting. You have had some nice fertile CM observations. So I know plenty of them had been coated in it and had good protection. By now, the fallopian tube is nourishing them, and keeping them alive and well. Please don't lose hope. I am praying with you for the best.

About my temps and hpts.... Well I could very well be 5dpo, without the opks there is no way I can deny that to be true. Yes my temps are vaginal. But in the event that this is a slow rise, I won't get any high temps until progesterone goes nuts or unless I take the progesterone pills. Which I don't want to do unless I get a + hpt, because I would take the chance that I could end up stopping it to early (since I have no sure fire way of knowing when I ovulated for sure), and then the witch would come before hypothetical embryo got the chance to thrive. I really wasn't expecting too much out of the hpt. But it threw me for a loop at the 10 minute mark. Hopefully that's real and it gets darker and darker. I didn't even have to squint to see it. That's why I was like freaking out. In any case I am prepared to test once a day...Got my cheapo hpt's ready. The last straw will be one of the big gun, name brand tests. I am not too sure which one I will pick just yet. Not trusting FRER too much now days. They have been giving some bad evaps to people..myself included.

Hopefully tomorrow will bring sucg good things for both of us. I will definitely get crosshairs tomorrow on FF..Just so there is no surprise...FF is going to place ovulation at CD14...But I don't think that is correct. I wish they would use the rule of thumb to make detection more accurate. :/

 

[L.E.]

Oooh yay for your cross-hairs! Your temps look good! Did you see what would happen if you adjust your CD12 temp to what it may have been earlier? Does it make a difference?

Well I definitely think I'll be getting a new bbt if I move to another cycle. I'm sure it will be okay in predicting ovulation, but I just don't know what to think of all these flat temps. DS and I slept in really late so I just got up a little bit ago. I temped at my normal time though. So as of right now I don't think I O'd. That spotting is really throwing me for a loop... and my cvx. It is super-high again (almost unreachable). The tiny bit I can feel is soft. Seems like my cm is a mix of watery and creamy, but I don't know. I'll check again later. There was a ton of it too, like felt and looked wet when wiping with tp .

Oh and the other OPK from last night was pretty light- maybe 1/2 the darkness of the 1st. I'll take another at some point today.

 

[L.E.]

I wanted to mention that the first temp I got this morning was 97.33... which was weird because I thought it was stopping at 97.18 then went up quickly to 97.20 then stopped at 97.33. Plus I thought it was a weird place for my temp to be (slightly higher than before instead of much higher or lower), so I took it again. Got 97.18. Took it 4 or 5 more times and got 97.18 lol. And in my head I was thinking my previous 2 temps were 97.13, but then after I got up for good and put in the 97.18 I realized it was the exact same temp as the other 2 days. Either way, it wouldn't show O, so I'm leaving the 97.18 since I did get it 5 or 6 times. I guess that could be 1 good thing about this bbt. On my old bbt, I could take my temp 6 times in a row and get 6 different numbers. But I was used to the fluctuation, so it's weird to see the same numbers.

 

[FngrsCrossed]

Wow...What kind of thermometer is that?! Do you think it's the cause of the flat temps? I had bought one from Walgreen's at first and all it did was give me flat temps. So I returned it and got the one I have now, at Wal-Mart. I will be sure not to get that one, whatever brand it is.

But like I said maybe not ovulating right now is a good thing. So your DH can get better and regain his strength to do some dancing.

Adjusting: Yes I did...And it did make a huge difference. If I had been on time and that temp was my temp, then....