Short Luteal Phase?

[greengerbera]

YIPPEEEE

Just a quick update - I have had a really nice email back from the fertility nurse - informing me that I saw a registrar yesterday and not the consultant!! So she has suggested that I go for the HSG which will give them some further information - and then come back to see the consultant! Who would look at the possibility of putting me on Clomid!!

I am really happy - Thank you so much girls for helping me question my appointment yesterday - I am so glad that I emailed now .....

 

[googly]

YIPPEEEE

Just a quick update - I have had a really nice email back from the fertility nurse - informing me that I saw a registrar yesterday and not the consultant!! So she has suggested that I go for the HSG which will give them some further information - and then come back to see the consultant! Who would look at the possibility of putting me on Clomid!!

I am really happy - Thank you so much girls for helping me question my appointment yesterday - I am so glad that I emailed now .....

Hey that's really awesome greengerbera! V. happy for you

Good on you for questioning it! They'll get ya sorted...

 

[LancyLass]

Ha, yeah I was thinking the same re. how do you know... but I explained to the doc (TMI ahead) that my periods amounted to maybe 2-3 tampons "worth" total... and it seems like the percentage of brown to red blood is somewhere around 75:25, so not much red blood at all. He agreed that was "light" !!

Blimey, yes, that is light!

I don't know whether GPs in the UK are willing to prescribe Clomid (or other clomiphene citrate - mine is actually 'Seraphene') but GPs here certainly aren't... and I don't know if I would want it from them anyway! I couldn't believe how little they knew. Seeing the FS, it was mostly just such a relief to talk to someone who knew what they were talking about.

I went to 'Fertility Associates', which I think is a private/public fertility clinic here in New Zealand. There is a points system (according to various things like age, health, previous children, time ttc, etc) whereby if you get enough points it is publicly funded... but until then, it's a fair bit of $$$. I think I qualify in a lot of areas - being over 35 bumps you up quite a bit - but I have to be on Clomid for 9 months before I fall into the publicly funded category. Then you qualify for subsidised/paid IUI and IVF.

If either of you are anywhere near Warwickshire I can recommend an awesome endocrinologist - my Dad! he's at Warwick Hospital.

(not that I've talked to him about our TTC - noooooo way, never but he does always like to joke about how many women he's got pregnant, haha... professionally speaking of course)

It does seem like an endocrinologist is the type you want if you have hormone related issues... which seems like is primarily the case with LP defect (progesterone and/or FSH issues).

I would seriously keep trying docs until you get someone good ... there seems to be a such a wide variation in advice. Who knows if this clomid is going to work for me, but I at least want to TRY.

Ah, I'd assumed you were in the UK because you were talking about GPs too. That sounds like a good system with the part public part private hospital.

Ha ha about your Dad! Warwickshire a bit out of the way unfortunately! (But I'd be willing to go to London or other big city that's easy to get to if necessary). I didn't know what endocrinologists do so that's useful, thanks.

My temp has dropped massively the last two days (8dpo today). Last two months it's stayed up until after period starts, which the doc had said was good sign, so feeling a bit miserable today and no idea what my body is up to!

 

[LancyLass]

YIPPEEEE

Just a quick update - I have had a really nice email back from the fertility nurse - informing me that I saw a registrar yesterday and not the consultant!! So she has suggested that I go for the HSG which will give them some further information - and then come back to see the consultant! Who would look at the possibility of putting me on Clomid!!

I am really happy - Thank you so much girls for helping me question my appointment yesterday - I am so glad that I emailed now .....

Brilliant

 

[googly]

Ah, I'd assumed you were in the UK because you were talking about GPs too. That sounds like a good system with the part public part private hospital.

Ha ha about your Dad! Warwickshire a bit out of the way unfortunately! (But I'd be willing to go to London or other big city that's easy to get to if necessary). I didn't know what endocrinologists do so that's useful, thanks.

Of course there are all sorts of specialists that may be helpful, endocrinologists are only one. But if you end up having a thyroid or hormone issue, specifically, my understanding is that they are particularly good in that area...

My temp has dropped massively the last two days (8dpo today). Last two months it's stayed up until after period starts, which the doc had said was good sign, so feeling a bit miserable today and no idea what my body is up to!

Your coverline is high this cycle though no? (maybe a bit artificially high, in fact, because of some higher temps in the follicular phase) So the actual temps today are the same as they were last cycle.... so AF may be due, but they're not any lower/worse at least.

If so, I wonder if you have the same thing as me - I have noticed that when my temps come back to 36.5, irrespective of where the coverline is, or what the preceding temps have done, I pretty much know AF is due. It's like clockwork, the day before and the first day of AF - pretty much always around 36.5, no matter what. It's almost like there is some temperature trigger point!

This LPD is frustrating though, for sure... I know at around 7, 8 dpo all I'm thinking is "hang in there, hang in there"...

 

[chistiana]

Anyone out there have a short luteal phase?

I have a 26 / 27 day cycle and didn't ovulate this month until atleast day 16 or 17. Is this enough time for the implantation to occur?

If anyone out there has a short luteal phase - how many days is that? And what do you do to improve it to allow enough time for everything to do as it should?

Hey it's not too bad, they say 10-11 days is enough for the fertilised egg to implant. Anyhow, here's what i did for REALLY irregular cycles and i think based on my research it will be good for you too:
I took agnes castus, evening primrose oil (although that is for more fertile ewcm), and L-arginine all from cd 1 up to ovulation. they got my ovulation day for cd 30 to cd 17 and the homepathy dr said they generally regulate the hormones so that your cycle is as it should! good luck!

 

[StarSign]

Anyone out there have a short luteal phase?

I have a 26 / 27 day cycle and didn't ovulate this month until atleast day 16 or 17. Is this enough time for the implantation to occur?

If anyone out there has a short luteal phase - how many days is that? And what do you do to improve it to allow enough time for everything to do as it should?

Hey it's not too bad, they say 10-11 days is enough for the fertilised egg to implant. Anyhow, here's what i did for REALLY irregular cycles and i think based on my research it will be good for you too:
I took agnes castus, evening primrose oil (although that is for more fertile ewcm), and L-arginine all from cd 1 up to ovulation. they got my ovulation day for cd 30 to cd 17 and the homepathy dr said they generally regulate the hormones so that your cycle is as it should! good luck!

The jury's out on the EPO, but I think the L-arginine and vitex took care of all of your margin's. Thx for the share.

*SS*

 

[googly]

Anyone out there have a short luteal phase?

I have a 26 / 27 day cycle and didn't ovulate this month until atleast day 16 or 17. Is this enough time for the implantation to occur?

If anyone out there has a short luteal phase - how many days is that? And what do you do to improve it to allow enough time for everything to do as it should?

Hey it's not too bad, they say 10-11 days is enough for the fertilised egg to implant. Anyhow, here's what i did for REALLY irregular cycles and i think based on my research it will be good for you too:
I took agnes castus, evening primrose oil (although that is for more fertile ewcm), and L-arginine all from cd 1 up to ovulation. they got my ovulation day for cd 30 to cd 17 and the homepathy dr said they generally regulate the hormones so that your cycle is as it should! good luck!

How much of agnus castus and L-arginine did you take daily? and when?

Thnx

 

[LancyLass]

My temp has dropped massively the last two days (8dpo today). Last two months it's stayed up until after period starts, which the doc had said was good sign, so feeling a bit miserable today and no idea what my body is up to!

Your coverline is high this cycle though no? (maybe a bit artificially high, in fact, because of some higher temps in the follicular phase) So the actual temps today are the same as they were last cycle.... so AF may be due, but they're not any lower/worse at least.

If so, I wonder if you have the same thing as me - I have noticed that when my temps come back to 36.5, irrespective of where the coverline is, or what the preceding temps have done, I pretty much know AF is due. It's like clockwork, the day before and the first day of AF - pretty much always around 36.5, no matter what. It's almost like there is some temperature trigger point!

This LPD is frustrating though, for sure... I know at around 7, 8 dpo all I'm thinking is "hang in there, hang in there"...

Yes, my temps were higher than usual all month. Even after Ov they went up higher than they'd been before. I was stupidly hoping this might have been a good sign!

Well it just started, the old . It was about 11.30pm, so not sure whether to count today as CD1 or tomorrow (or rather today, as it's now past midnight!) Think I'll go for tomorrow as that makes it an 8 day LP this month, rather than a 7 day. Makes me feel a bit better!

Absolutely with you on the "hang in there". That's what I've been doing for the past two days. I could feel it was coming but was willing it to wait a few more days!

I'm going to start the Vit B complex in the morning. Have got the 50mg, will see how it goes.

 

[googly]

That's definitely tomorrow for cd1 - I've read in a few places that any bleeding after 3pm you
should consider cd1 the day after.

Actually I also read in one place that cd1 is the first day you *wake up* with bleeding... That might be a bit generous in places! eg last AF for me started at 9am - feel would be a bit much to wait til the next day to count cd1... But you're for sure into the next day.

8 days eh... That's sucky. My last LP was 7 after a couple of 9s in a row! Not amused... It sure is frustrating. See how you go on the B complex - has worked wonders for some women. I'd seek early intervention if you have another <9 day LP though, you hear the occasional good news story but it's definitely going to make things tough...

Are you trying anything else or just the B complex?

 

[LancyLass]

That's definitely tomorrow for cd1 - I've read in a few places that any bleeding after 3pm you
should consider cd1 the day after.

Actually I also read in one place that cd1 is the first day you *wake up* with bleeding... That might be a bit generous in places! eg last AF for me started at 9am - feel would be a bit much to wait til the next day to count cd1... But you're for sure into the next day.

8 days eh... That's sucky. My last LP was 7 after a couple of 9s in a row! Not amused... It sure is frustrating. See how you go on the B complex - has worked wonders for some women. I'd seek early intervention if you have another <9 day LP though, you hear the occasional good news story but it's definitely going to make things tough...

Are you trying anything else or just the B complex?

That's interesting! I've probably miscounted a few times where it's been after 3pm in that case. In fact that might have made last month's a 10 day LP rather than 9 day.

No, just trying the B complex. I'm going to try things one at a time. That way if anything does help I'll know which it is. Plus I'm a bit of a scaredy cat when it comes to taking any sort of supplement so I don't want to take too much at once!

I've had progesterone tests this month and going for FSH/LH on Monday, so the investigative wheels are already rolling which is at least something positive.

 

[greengerbera]

Hi Lancylass - Sorry to hear that the got you .... I would definitely count CD1 from tomorrow (as I have read Midday should be the next day point!.

It is hopefully that you think you might of had 10 days last month - were you on any meds that month?? Also strange that you are seeing quite a bit of difference in your days ??? 8 days this month - 10 last???

B-Complex is worth trying - there are so many stories on the internet where women have claimed it has helped their luteal phase - I would start of with 50g and see where it goes... I take 100g but doesn't seem to make any difference - and I am slightly reluctant to up the dose further as I have read about birth defects etc.. not sure how true this is - but didn't want to take the risk...

At least by starting the blood tests this might shed some light on things...

How long have you been trying to conceive if you don't mind me asking?

 

[LancyLass]

It is hopefully that you think you might of had 10 days last month - were you on any meds that month?? Also strange that you are seeing quite a bit of difference in your days ??? 8 days this month - 10 last???

It is, and I haven't tried any meds or supplements or anything. Although my OV date for this last cycle is a bit dubious - I didn't get any +ve opks and fertility friend has only put it as a dashed line. There is a small possibility it could have been two days earlier (although that wouldn't match my CM) - which would make it a 10 day LP also. Two months ago it was about 7 days, but that might not be entirely accurate because I was very ill with gastroentiritis (had to be hospitalised from dehydration) so I couldn't accurately track my temp around OV time as I had a fever, plus being ill can throw your cycles out anyway. So maybe the outlook is not as bleak for me as I originally thought! Need to give it a few more months and see how my charts pan out.

How long have you been trying to conceive if you don't mind me asking?

Not long. Just the last three cycles with charting and previously about a month with half-hearted NTNP! I went to see the docs as soon as it looked like I was getting a pattern of short LPs as with my age I thought there's no point hanging around and waiting if it's already clear there's a problem and she agreed to the tests. Plus she said I could start trying drugs if I wanted once we get to 6 months TTC, plus we should test DH's . From others' experiences it sounds like I've been lucky with the doc so far.

What about you?

 

[NorthStar]

CD1 is counted as the first day of RED blood, ie you may have some brown (old) blood the first day but it would not count as CD1 until the next day when the blood was red (regardless of time of day).

I didn't know this the first month or two, and I used to be puzzled when people would talk about their temps dropping on CD1 and mine was still up - becuase I shouldn't have counted CD1 until the next day.

There really is a lot to learn on this TTC stuff.

 

[greengerbera]

You are so lucky with your Doc .... can't believe the difference from area to area ....

My doc made the process for me really difficult - she made me wait till exactly a year of conceiving to the day!! (as she could see when I had my coil removed!!) ... and would not budge for an earlier appointment.

I had my coil removed in Aug 2010 - but to be honest wasn't really trying for the first few months - then did fall pregnant in Dec - but sadly miscarried at 6 weeks - then gave myself a month clearance - and started again in Feb 2011 with charting and clear blue monitor and different supplements... Also having accupunture twice a month to see if that possibly helps...

It makes such a difference if you have a nice doc... you are very lucky..

 

[NorthStar]

Mine was ok the first time I saw her (to ask for mini BCP to extend cycle and align my dates with OH work schedule) but the next time I went in she said that I couldn't keep doing this - I'd had an early AF which as it turned out was a side effect of the EPO but I didn't realise that the first time it happened.

I don't know why some people become GPs if they don't actually LIKE people, but it seems to be fairly common.

 

[chistiana]

Anyone out there have a short luteal phase?

I have a 26 / 27 day cycle and didn't ovulate this month until atleast day 16 or 17. Is this enough time for the implantation to occur?

If anyone out there has a short luteal phase - how many days is that? And what do you do to improve it to allow enough time for everything to do as it should?

Hey it's not too bad, they say 10-11 days is enough for the fertilised egg to implant. Anyhow, here's what i did for REALLY irregular cycles and i think based on my research it will be good for you too:
I took agnes castus, evening primrose oil (although that is for more fertile ewcm), and L-arginine all from cd 1 up to ovulation. they got my ovulation day for cd 30 to cd 17 and the homepathy dr said they generally regulate the hormones so that your cycle is as it should! good luck!

How much of agnus castus and L-arginine did you take daily? and when?

Thnx

sorry for being so late, my son was down with a horrible flu and it's been 24/7! I took 900 mg agnus castus twice a day and 1 tablet l arginine 500mg a day. Ow also 3 tablets of M2-Tone.

 

[LancyLass]

CD1 is counted as the first day of RED blood, ie you may have some brown (old) blood the first day but it would not count as CD1 until the next day when the blood was red (regardless of time of day).

I didn't know this the first month or two, and I used to be puzzled when people would talk about their temps dropping on CD1 and mine was still up - becuase I shouldn't have counted CD1 until the next day.

There really is a lot to learn on this TTC stuff.

Too right! I've been wondering the same thing about my temp still being up on CD1 (apart from this last cycle) so it's looking like I've been doing the same thing!

You are so lucky with your Doc .... can't believe the difference from area to area ....

It makes such a difference if you have a nice doc... you are very lucky..

It helps that it's someone I know socially too! I wouldn't normally go to a doc if it's someone I know, but she happens to be the practice "expert" in family planning matters so she was the best person to go to. I've had some right old nightmares in the past though I can tell you! Not about TTC but general stuff, but am determined not to be messed around on this as time isn't on my side!!

I don't know why some people become GPs if they don't actually LIKE people, but it seems to be fairly common.

 

[Viking15]

Second cycle on the B complex. LP this month was only 11 days. A short cycle at 24 days. Not sure what's up with me. Before I went on BCP my cycles ran longer than 28 days. I did not have my Rx prenatal this month. Just an over the counter one. My husband lost his job so I couldn't justify a $50 on a bottle of vitamins when I knew we would not conceive this past cycle anyhow. I don't know if that made my LP a little shorter or not. I have no idea what is in those things.
BTW, I read that taking lots of B6 can cause nerve damage. Just a heads up to all of you out there.

 

[LancyLass]

BTW, I read that taking lots of B6 can cause nerve damage. Just a heads up to all of you out there.

I've read that it's over 200mg a day that's the dangerous amount. Although my bottle says "Long term intake of amounts greater than 10mg daily of Vitamin B6 may lead to mild tingling and numbness." But they're probably just covering themselves. I checked with my doc and she said there's "no harm" in taking it... Of course, here's hoping none of us will be taking it "long term"!!

I'm half way through 1st cycle on it. That bright neon yellow wee is entertaining!