Should people on benefits be forced to do voluntary work?

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I've seen this issue crop up a lot in various discussions and thought it maybe warranted it's own discussion. I'm not sure exactly where I stand as I can see that it's important to 'give back' to society, but I think it would lead to less jobs being available for people that want to work. Also, I work in the voluntary sector and can't imagine the amount of work that would have to go into supervising all these people that don't want to be there, and I also think it would devalue voluntary work which is something people should want to do to benefit others - done out of the goodness of their hearts.
 
You know I volunteer at Victim Support Scotland, but we don't take just anyone to volunteer. There has to be a level of professionalism and experience and willingness to learn.

I say that people on benefits (Job Seekers) should volunteer in an area that interests them or is related to their desired profession.
 
Yes 100%, if a person is able to work then really they have no excuse.
I think it should be the same for school leavers if they can't get a job too. It will give them experience which they can put on a CV, they can show commitment and get a reference when going for a paid job.
Also, people feel a sense of pride doing a day's work and it will help people socialise.
People who have never worked a day in their lives (due to choice) but expect benefit’s should have to earn benefits.
 
You know I volunteer at Victim Support Scotland, but we don't take just anyone to volunteer. There has to be a level of professionalism and experience and willingness to learn.

I say that people on benefits (Job Seekers) should volunteer in an area that interests them or is related to their desired profession.

See, we're the same. We wouldn't want a 'volunteer' that was forced to be there.
 
Yeah, that's true. I think forced is a harsh word. It should be a condition of receiving job seekers though!
 
Yeah, that's true. I think forced is a harsh word. It should be a condition of receiving job seekers though!

How is that different to forced? when survival depends on the small income they get from it.

The whole policy seems unfair to me, large corporations can more than afford to take these people on payroll and so they should. A distinction needs to be made between long term work dodgers and young people fresh out of university who are essentially being 'forced' to work at places like pound land, it gains them no relevant experience and they are overqualified. The whole thing is demoralising and penalising.
 
How is volunteering to gain work experience a bad thing?
 
I think if they want to, then they should be encouraged to. My cousin was on job seekers for a while, and was doing volunteer work, however I'm pretty sure he was told that he couldn't claim if he had committed to volunteer, as technically he would no longer be 'available to work'. Luckily the place he was volunteering at offered him some paid work, but surely, if this is how it works, it completely hinders people being able to get experience which would lead them to be more employable?
 
I think the should be encouraged to. But I don't like what our council is doing where there using them instead of paying a proper wage my cousin worked in housing for 6 months 7.30 til 5 and was out assessing people's housesing needs taking new applications ect. Now surely that's is a persons job? In the whole department they were only 3 full time staff the rest were on job seekers x
 
How is volunteering to gain work experience a bad thing?

If it is a condition on benefits it is a 'bad' thing. You are in fact giving the poor no choice. How can that not be a bad thing. Especially when one is overqualified and the voluntarily work is pretty much worthless as a reference and/or experience.
 
How is volunteering to gain work experience a bad thing?

If it is a condition on benefits it is a 'bad' thing. You are in fact giving the poor no choice. How can that not be a bad thing. Especially when one is overqualified and the voluntarily work is pretty much worthless as a reference and/or experience.

I have never met a person who knows everything and anything about any profession. I learn something new every day in my volunteer work and I have a bachelor of science in criminology and victimology.

Also, it shows you are willing to keep up your work experience even though you are unemployed.
 
How does stacking shelf's and sweeping floors at pound land relate to a degree in geology? What exactly do you learn, am curious.
 
I don't think volunteering to gain work experience is a bad thing but for me the very term 'volunteering' means that it should be a choice, ie voluntary, not a requirement of getting the money you need to live. I do think that if they are going to do something like this, that it should be akin to National Service, and there be certain jobs/professions/work that is set aside for that national service so that no one is put out of work as a result.
 
Argh, I should have clarified. They shouldn't volunteer at PoundLand. :dohh: Who suggested that? I was saying they should volunteer in an agency related to their desired vocation.
 
I don't think volunteering to gain work experience is a bad thing but for me the very term 'volunteering' means that it should be a choice, ie voluntary, not a requirement of getting the money you need to live. I do think that if they are going to do something like this, that it should be akin to National Service, and there be certain jobs/professions/work that is set aside for that national service so that no one is put out of work as a result.

This exactly.
I do not like the blanket application of this policy, unqualified long term work dodgers should be treated differently to qualified young applicants. The department should seek to match people to appropriate fields and not cosy up to large corp to essentially sanction slave labour.
 
Yeah, that's true. I think forced is a harsh word. It should be a condition of receiving job seekers though!

Argh, I should have clarified. They shouldn't volunteer at PoundLand. :dohh: Who suggested that? I was saying they should volunteer in an agency related to their desired vocation.

The work at poundland was in reference to a geology graduate who was recently in the press. But you did say that forced work should be a condition of benefits. If this were so then people would be forced to take on work they did not want and would have no benefit whatsoever.
 
I don't think volunteering to gain work experience is a bad thing but for me the very term 'volunteering' means that it should be a choice, ie voluntary, not a requirement of getting the money you need to live. I do think that if they are going to do something like this, that it should be akin to National Service, and there be certain jobs/professions/work that is set aside for that national service so that no one is put out of work as a result.

This exactly.
I do not like the blanket application of this policy, unqualified long term work dodgers should be treated differently to qualified young applicants. The department should seek to match people to appropriate fields and not cosy up to large corp to essentially sanction slave labour.

I have not met and I work (before I was made redundant) in a government qualifications 'get back to work' type scheme, someone who had 'never worked a day in their life with no intention' I have never met someone who was job ready.
Some people i spoke to that stood out, wanted to be 'a cat sitter' "you know like a dog walker, but I dont like dogs" :wacko: I met one guy who wanted to be a an astronaut. :wacko: These people need to be hand held to such a level that they arent even suitable candidates for the voluntary sector. Tbh some of them arent even candidates for the human race, but most of time there is a horrific reason behind that.

I do think there are people who are out of work, like myself. That once Lo is in nursery I would really like to do some voluntary work, suitable to my disability, but im 'not allowed' to without loosing the little bit that keeps our heads above the water.

In the last 18 months the funding to actually help people back into work and get them qualifications has pretty much halved, hence the loss of my job. The opinion on people on benefits, being the scum of society has trebled. This imaginary family who have never worked and sit at home laughing at 'those suckers who are stupid enough to work' They are no more real than Cinderella and are a creation of the media/government so we spend more time hating eachother instead of helping eachother. All the while distracting us from the real problem and keeping us occupied whilst they make some significant and life threatening cuts to services.

Im sorry, but unless youve actually worked with the long term unemplyed, you really dont know who they are
 
Oh geez. Why do I bother if my posts are going to be picked apart?
 
Work experience/ voluntary work looks great on a cv when applying for a job.....

In some ways yes I think it is a good idea when I think if certain people I know that just can't be arsed

And then there are others like those who genuinely cant find work or those who have young children and therefore can't work

So al those on benefits can't be tied with the same brush iykwim

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