Stop been so cheap!

[forgodssake]

I understand the people who have their reasons for disagreeing with the NHS, and i agree with you on that

I'm aiming my post at the people who have complained about the amount of scans that are offered (12 and 20 weeks)... the people who've had a perfectly fine pregnancy so far, yet still expect extra scans!

But there was only one - the OP, which is why I asked if you had read the whole thread!

 

[Haych86]

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[NG09]

^ i dont think the comment was below the belt? It was an opinion? She didnt personally attack anyone!

No, she generically attacked anyone with a negative opinion of the NHS!!!

I think you are just reading a bit much into it TBH. Hormones maybe to blame !!!!!

And today's prize for Ms Condecending goes to.......

You're funny

 

[forgodssake]

^ i dont think the comment was below the belt? It was an opinion? She didnt personally attack anyone!

No, she generically attacked anyone with a negative opinion of the NHS!!!

I think you are just reading a bit much into it TBH. Hormones maybe to blame !!!!!

And today's prize for Ms Condecending goes to.......

You're funny

It's the hormones xx

 

[NG09]

^ i dont think the comment was below the belt? It was an opinion? She didnt personally attack anyone!

No, she generically attacked anyone with a negative opinion of the NHS!!!

I think you are just reading a bit much into it TBH. Hormones maybe to blame !!!!!

And today's prize for Ms Condecending goes to.......

You're funny

It's the hormones xx

Told you!!!! lol

 

[Phinners]

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[charli87]

i dont agree with the op, i understand what your saying though but i just think the nhs cant afford for extra scans that aren't medically necessary especially with all the cuts they are having to make everywhere at the moment.

lets hope this stays civil though

 

[Pixxie]

While it would be nice to have more scans, they are not necessary for most people. I dont think money from the NHS should be used to get us extra scans when it can be put to better use in other areas xxx

 

[vinteenage]

well in some countrys you get a scan every 4 weeks...

I didn't read through the whole thread, but...what country on earth offers you a scan every 4 weeks for a normal pregnancy?

I know in the US you get more frequent scans every 4 weeks or so if your considered high risk, but otherwise one or two is the norm. It seems like three per pregnancy is the "normal" max.

 

[maggsy11]

The NHS should get their hand out their pockets ...

My point?

well in some countrys you get a scan every 4 weeks... here you get 2 or 3 max and thats your lot (unless they have concerns) instead what do they do here...use such a stupid inacurate device of measuring your fundal height and relying on that for babys growth... well im sorry but half the midwifes ive come across either measure diff/wrong to one another... or just did it briefly and ended up with a meh itl be reet attitude then the others turn around and go "ooooh we will keep an eye on that" majority of the time there is nothing wrong with babys size!!! how can they possibly rely on this!?!?!? if baby has his bum stuck up then obvs the fundal height is going to be higher!!! it just seems to me instead of been so cheap they should be offering a scan to check growth etc every 4 weeks!!! not just that but to make sure there is no further problems with placenta/cord or baby! and to check fluid!...

anyone else agree?

Hi there,

I've sat here reading through all the posts regarding this, and I do understand where youre coming from, it seems there is some confusion within the team providing you with anti-natal care. Maybe you should be more assertive next time and ask "why they need to keep an eye on that"?, ask them how they will do this, and will they document this in your notes to allow for continuity and proper communication between the midwives.

I sadly no longer have much trust in the NHS following the stillbirth of my daughter at 38+3 weeks gestation. My fundal height was never measured with a tape, it was always done by hand, I was told baby was estimated to be between 7 & 8 pounds at full term, I also mentioned that my daughters movements had reduced on at least 3 occasions and this was not taken seriously. IF I'd had a scan or scans at that time then Katie would be here now. The scan would have highlighted the problem, (blood flow through the placenta was failing). Katie weighed 4 and a half pounds, so much less than the estimate. I'm now in the process of going through the complaints procedure, (it's taken over a year so far!!). My story is not told to frighten anyone, its told because, there are failings within the NHS, but no-body really wants to know about them. I feel more awareness is needed.
I've been assured that should I be lucky enough to get pregnant again then I'll have scans every 2-4 weeks fromn 20 weeks onwards, this is purely because I lost Katie. It should not take the death of a much loved and much wanted baby to get proper care. I know that not everyone will agree with this and its NOT a personal attack on anyone who's posted. I have to live with the consequences of the failings of the team who where complacent with the care they gave me.

take care

xmagsx

 

[Nessicle]

So sorry to hear of your loss maggsy

Very valid points to make considering what you have been through

xxx

 

[forgodssake]

^ i dont think the comment was below the belt? It was an opinion? She didnt personally attack anyone!

No, she generically attacked anyone with a negative opinion of the NHS!!!

I think you are just reading a bit much into it TBH. Hormones maybe to blame !!!!!

And today's prize for Ms Condecending goes to.......

You're funny

It's the hormones xx

Told you!!!! lol

Naw, its only the humour thats the hormones - the arsiness is just a general personality trait of mine

Magsy, I really dont know what to say so can only offer

 

[secretbaby]

Magsy - so sorry for the loss of katie.

A very similar thing happened with my ds1,but I was lucky he made it through the emergency section just in time. It was fluke he survived I had rubbish antenatal care.

I lost my second son - I was in hospital 6 1/2 weeks trying to continue the pregancy but our son died at 4 hours old. I had a totally different experience to that with ds1 (same hospital 10 years later) I could not fault the care I got there.

What I hate is the NHS inequality -one rule for one and one for others (telling you the sex at 20 weeks scans, most do - ours don't. Perscription charges - england yes, wales and scotland no ... and the awful drugs post code lottery). Just three examples that came instantly to mind. The NHS is cash strapped and there are so many priorities, we can push boundaries and new drugs are available and all have a cost. A drug that increases life 6 months but is really expensive may seem a waste of money to some - but what if it was your family memeber who could have that extra 6 months?

Sometimes the NHS get it very wrong, sometimes thats financially motivated - but I think we would be much worse without it.

 

[Lil-woowoo]

Scotland do pay for their own prescriptions, wales dont but we certainly do x

 

[Mango34]

Its only gonna get worse once the goverment start bringing in the cuts, Only then will people realise that we actually had it pretty good!

 

[AP]

Scotland does pay for prescriptions?!?! Why do people keep saying otherwise!?!

 

[GossipGirly]

on the subject of the nhs being so cheap... does anyone else get refused a urine test by their midwife because they didnt know you had to reuse the first one and wash it out or bring in a container from home??

I agree that I feel there should be more scans to pick up probems, maybe one at 30 weeks and also make a glucose test (not neccessarily gtt) standard practice to highlight any issues with gd being such a big problem.. just a little bit more monitering as I feel things can easily slip through the net

 

[GossipGirly]

A drug that increases life 6 months but is really expensive may seem a waste of money to some - but what if it was your family memeber who could have that extra 6 months?

Sometimes the NHS get it very wrong, sometimes thats financially motivated - but I think we would be much worse without it.

I have to say, i wouldnt like to be the person deciding to provide the money to increase someones life for 6 months with an expensive drug or use the money to provide valuable treatment for a dozen people .. I dont imagine its easy as not a clear cut as just "if it was your family member" I can imagine a lot of people make tough decisions and have to sleep at night.

 

[sequeena]

A drug that increases life 6 months but is really expensive may seem a waste of money to some - but what if it was your family memeber who could have that extra 6 months?

Sometimes the NHS get it very wrong, sometimes thats financially motivated - but I think we would be much worse without it.

I have to say, i wouldnt be the person deciding to provide the money to increase someones life for 6 months with an expensive drug or use the money to provide valuable treatment for a dozen people .. I dont imagine its easy as not a clear cut as just "if it was your family member" I can imagine a lot of people make tough decisions and have to sleep at night.

I agree, hats off to them. I would hate to have to make such decisions.

It's not fair, Maggsy's story proves that hugs and I wish none of us would have to experience sorrow in our lives

 

[Hayley90]

Whilst i think it would be lovely to receive more reassuring scans throughout pregnancy, i agree with the vast majority in that it is unnecessary. The NHS is incredibly stretched as it is, pointless scans would just add to the huge burden of debt this country carries.

I do feel a great amount of sympathy for those who have had bad experiences with the NHS, as all NHS workers that i know of are extremely dedicated to their jobs, and to providing the best possible level of care to ALL their patients (even those who "made themselves ill" as someone else mentioned )

I think some people need to look at the bigger picture and see the NHS as an overall success - to see people likening the NHS to a waste of money, and "not getting what we pay for" is saddening, as i have never known another health service like it, and I dread to think what it would be like if it were to be abolished. I don't think people would be so vocal about its downfalls then. (obviously excluding those who have had a horrible time, i can only sympathise )

Back to the original point... fundal height measurements have never been accurate, it is widely broadcasted as such. A small difference isn't anything to worry about Fetal movements are easily monitored by the mother, or a doppler (£30 on ebay, MUCH cheaper than a scan )- the need for an extra scan shouldn't really come into play until all of these options have been exhausted

I would rather see someone who NEEDS a scan getting one, or that little pile of money it costs to scan someone going to save somebody else. I dont think the NHS is "being cheap" at all. Just resourceful.