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Hey ladies:hugs::hugs:

One of us (not me) has been approached and asked not to post about about having a chemical or miscarriage as it brings them down:shrug: I remember when Ready started this thread it was for us LTTTCers to have a place to go where it did not matter if we're primary IF, secondary IF, on baby number one or baby number 20. We could come here chat, and vent what is happening, well sadly chemicals, miscarriages etc are a sad part of life. I've had 3 back to back this year and to think it bothers some one really pisses me off.

Its not even one of our regular ladies that said it bothered them because all of our regulars are supportive. I just wanted to let you know that this is a post it all thread and if its offensive to an outsider don't read it.:) Lurk elsewhere and leave us alone:finger:

Hugs for everyone on this thread ,this is just so sad :( <3 love you ladies ,h.a ,special hugs <3
 
Thanks Happy. :hugs: I hope that was somewhat therapeutic for you.
Maybe you should just copy and re-paste as needed for impromptu educational purposes. :thumbup:
 
Yeah I'm only on like number 182 give or take a few

:haha:
This is one of those laugh or cry things. I saw your number and just laughed out loud, with my shoulders shaking.
I was looking at FF charts once and saw someone that had a similar number on her pregnancy chart for months of ttc. I must have done the math 10 times to be sure I was reading it right.

I'd make a little badge out of it and wear it around, Milty. :blush: It would be like one of those medals they give out to pilots that come back after missions in war time. "I've survived X amount of years of infertility." :haha:
 
Well I do feel a bit like I cheated on that number cause it's only 108 or so consecutive cycles The first 74 or so were before DS:shrug:
 
Ok so this has all got me thinking and looking back at the thread...

Ready did you know it will be 1 this month?

Also we are a bunch of cool chicks...I was reading old post and it was like I was reading it for the first time...a couple times I was laughing and look to see who wrote it and it was me :haha:

The I would think oh that's just like Ready but it was HA who wrote it....to funny

Also I started remembering all our graduates ...way cool...
 
Wow, I'm really not even sure where to start with this one....

First of all, to the poster who was approached, I am so very sorry you were the chosen one to receive such a message.

To the lurker who finds it upsetting that we talk about miscarriages on this thread:
I have no living children. DH and I have been ttc our first for almost four years, since January of 2009. We lost our first baby (yes, it was a BABY) at 12 weeks on Mothers Day of 2009. We lost our second BABY at 8 weeks in March of 2010. We then went through a long, brutal, invasive medical investigation trying to find out the reason we'd lost two BABIES, and no reason was found. After that we couldn't get pregnant anymore. We started IUIs in February 2011. I went through nightly hormone shots in my belly, daily trans-vaginal ultrasounds and blood tests to monitor my ovarian response. And then instead of having sex, my husband had to go jerk off in a cup so his sperm could be spun and washed and then injected into my uterus by a nurse while naked from the waist down and with my feet in stirrups. We got pregnant with our third BABY on the third IUI and lost it a week later in August of 2011. In January of 2012 we started IVF. That meant twice daily shots in my belly, more daily trans-vag ultrasounds and bloodwork, the pain of having my ovaries grow from the size of almonds to the size of grapefruits, the pain of a surgical procedure under general anesthesia to have a giant needle shoved through my vaginal wall and into my ovaries to suck out my eggs, one by one, while my husband jacked off into a cup again. My eggs were then injected with his sperm, one by one, left overnight in a petri dish while we waited to find out how many fertilized. Then I started nightly shots of more hormones into my ass, waited 5 days to find out if any of our embryos survived, and broke out into hives from the anxiety of trying to decide how many to transfer back into my uterus. On transfer day we went into a room with at least 4 people in it, with my vagina on display for all of them to see while we tried to make light of the situation, transferred a couple embryos back into my uterus, and waited a hellish 10 days to find out if I was pregnant. We got pregnant with our fourth BABY on our first IVF in February 2012, and lost that baby a week later.

At this point we've been through 6 rounds of injectable hormones, 5 IUIs, 3 fresh IVF cycles and 1 frozen IVF cycle. We have spent over $20,000 of our own money on invasive medical procedures in the last two years to try and get pregnant. The only reason that figure isn't ten times higher is because we are one of the very few fortunate ones whose insurance covers some infertility procedures - most couples are not so fortunate. And we have had four miscarriages. I have four babies whom I have never met. I have four babies who I never got to hold, smell, kiss, comfort. Four babies who I never got to send off to their first day of kindergarten. Four babies who I never got to take trick-or-treating on nights like tonight. Four babies who I will never see graduate from high school, go to college, fall in love, get married.... And we are faced with the very real possibility, indeed a strong probability at this point, that these four babies are the only children we will ever have.

This is my journey. This is who I am. This is my story. This is what it's like to be infertile. This is what it's like to be in the 1% of women who suffer from recurrent miscarriage. To leave any part of my story out would be to deny part of who I am. It would be to deny the fact that I have lost four babies. It would be to perpetuate the myth that everyone gets pregnant as soon as a man looks at her, instead of the truth that 1 in 8 couples suffer from infertility. It would be to perpetuate the myth that every pregnancy has a happy ending, instead of the truth that 1 in 4 women will suffer the loss of a baby through miscarriage, stillbirth or neonatal death at some point in her life. And it would mean leaving other women as confused and hurt and scared and alone as I was the first time I lost a baby.

Some people have difficulty getting pregnant. Some babies die before they're born. And if you don't like it, you can fuck off, really.

I think you are amazing x
 
Wow, I'm really not even sure where to start with this one....

First of all, to the poster who was approached, I am so very sorry you were the chosen one to receive such a message.

To the lurker who finds it upsetting that we talk about miscarriages on this thread:
I have no living children. DH and I have been ttc our first for almost four years, since January of 2009. We lost our first baby (yes, it was a BABY) at 12 weeks on Mothers Day of 2009. We lost our second BABY at 8 weeks in March of 2010. We then went through a long, brutal, invasive medical investigation trying to find out the reason we'd lost two BABIES, and no reason was found. After that we couldn't get pregnant anymore. We started IUIs in February 2011. I went through nightly hormone shots in my belly, daily trans-vaginal ultrasounds and blood tests to monitor my ovarian response. And then instead of having sex, my husband had to go jerk off in a cup so his sperm could be spun and washed and then injected into my uterus by a nurse while naked from the waist down and with my feet in stirrups. We got pregnant with our third BABY on the third IUI and lost it a week later in August of 2011. In January of 2012 we started IVF. That meant twice daily shots in my belly, more daily trans-vag ultrasounds and bloodwork, the pain of having my ovaries grow from the size of almonds to the size of grapefruits, the pain of a surgical procedure under general anesthesia to have a giant needle shoved through my vaginal wall and into my ovaries to suck out my eggs, one by one, while my husband jacked off into a cup again. My eggs were then injected with his sperm, one by one, left overnight in a petri dish while we waited to find out how many fertilized. Then I started nightly shots of more hormones into my ass, waited 5 days to find out if any of our embryos survived, and broke out into hives from the anxiety of trying to decide how many to transfer back into my uterus. On transfer day we went into a room with at least 4 people in it, with my vagina on display for all of them to see while we tried to make light of the situation, transferred a couple embryos back into my uterus, and waited a hellish 10 days to find out if I was pregnant. We got pregnant with our fourth BABY on our first IVF in February 2012, and lost that baby a week later.

At this point we've been through 6 rounds of injectable hormones, 5 IUIs, 3 fresh IVF cycles and 1 frozen IVF cycle. We have spent over $20,000 of our own money on invasive medical procedures in the last two years to try and get pregnant. The only reason that figure isn't ten times higher is because we are one of the very few fortunate ones whose insurance covers some infertility procedures - most couples are not so fortunate. And we have had four miscarriages. I have four babies whom I have never met. I have four babies who I never got to hold, smell, kiss, comfort. Four babies who I never got to send off to their first day of kindergarten. Four babies who I never got to take trick-or-treating on nights like tonight. Four babies who I will never see graduate from high school, go to college, fall in love, get married.... And we are faced with the very real possibility, indeed a strong probability at this point, that these four babies are the only children we will ever have.

This is my journey. This is who I am. This is my story. This is what it's like to be infertile. This is what it's like to be in the 1% of women who suffer from recurrent miscarriage. To leave any part of my story out would be to deny part of who I am. It would be to deny the fact that I have lost four babies. It would be to perpetuate the myth that everyone gets pregnant as soon as a man looks at her, instead of the truth that 1 in 8 couples suffer from infertility. It would be to perpetuate the myth that every pregnancy has a happy ending, instead of the truth that 1 in 4 women will suffer the loss of a baby through miscarriage, stillbirth or neonatal death at some point in her life. And it would mean leaving other women as confused and hurt and scared and alone as I was the first time I lost a baby.

Some people have difficulty getting pregnant. Some babies die before they're born. And if you don't like it, you can fuck off, really.

I think you are amazing x

Huge 2nd x
 
Ok so this has all got me thinking and looking back at the thread...

Ready did you know it will be 1 this month?

Also we are a bunch of cool chicks...I was reading old post and it was like I was reading it for the first time...a couple times I was laughing and look to see who wrote it and it was me :haha:

The I would think oh that's just like Ready but it was HA who wrote it....to funny

Also I started remembering all our graduates ...way cool...

We are still cool chicks ,we have just kinda lost ourselves along the way ,I think we are all amazing :thumbup::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
Ok so this has all got me thinking and looking back at the thread...

Ready did you know it will be 1 this month?

Also we are a bunch of cool chicks...I was reading old post and it was like I was reading it for the first time...a couple times I was laughing and look to see who wrote it and it was me :haha:

The I would think oh that's just like Ready but it was HA who wrote it....to funny

Also I started remembering all our graduates ...way cool...

We are still cool chicks ,we have just kinda lost ourselves along the way ,I think we are all amazing :thumbup::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:

:thumbup: Agree with you Bmom.

I didn't know it would be a year old this month Milty. That.........well to be honest.........it kind of sucks doesn't it? A year ago, I really thought I would be pregnant by now. Even though it sucked, I thought pregnancy was still eventually possible for me. Now I don't. :shrug: But, I'd rather be here, than where I was a year ago, at least emotionally. I'm coping better now, for sure.

Who knows what next year will bring. Maybe we'll all be chatting about our vacations and swapping recipes instead of chatting about ttc. :haha:

I think you could confuse Happy and myself because we're both realists. Neither one of us has sunshine shooting out our asses. :haha: She's much more well written than I am, so look for grammatical errors to find me. :haha:

About a week ago, I accidentally hit page #2 and saw a post from Nastby! I wonder how she is doing and if she had her baby. :flower:
 
Crystal, I just adore you. Thank you so very much.:hugs::hugs:
Ladies thank you so much for making sure this remains a forum that we can voice our experiences in vs having to "hush" about them.
HA :hugs::hugs: Thank you for umm..sharing. My heart breaks for you yet I know where you're at and it is so nice to know there are others. I just wish you'd quit being among them and soon.:hugs:

Well, Doc had me drop everything the day I miscarried (all supplements) so we could do some testing. He then promptly told me to get my hiney back on them but he wanted some baselines he could believe in. He found a FS that he thinks has a genuine clue and will work with us vs wanting to declare me too old. I got my blood work back today (2 days late). I'm so upset over my progesterone. I've not gotten to talk to Doc yet about the #s but I'm really certain the progesterone is bad. The blood was drawn 5 days after I miscarried and it was the first day I was not on bleeding and only spotting some.

Any insight, please? I'm a mess right now.

TSH .515
LH 3.5
FSH 7.4
Progesterone .2

There were others but the nurse said Doc would call me with everything else and go over things with me. She didn't want to "go there" so now I'm a mess. She is his wife and a friend so I know if it was too horrid, she'd tell me.
 
Hun that Progestrone is normal after miscarry...mine was .5

You really have to test that after you O because that is when you start producing it...most docs test 7 days after you O...

At that time a normal range for us US ladies would be 7 to 10

I tested it several months ago and mine was 9.6

The day my chemical started it was .5

Last month I think it was 22 or so
 
Oh Milty, thank you!

I wasn't sure. The only times I've had my progesterone tested before, was a week after ovulation and it was always much much higher. Doc had always said it was good and then this .5 just flipped me out! I take the progesterone cream so I wasn't sure how it could be so flipping low. I guess I just need to calm down and breathe and wait for him to call.

I could hug the stuffing out of you right now. Thank you! :hugs:
 
Now that being said I could have lost the baby because it was so low or it could have been a result of it ...know what I mean?

My doc thinks it was just a result of it...but the next month my levels are about the same as someone who is 6 weeks which I would have been 6.5 had I knot had the chem...

I'm saying all this because I'm wondering or thinking my body may have a delayed reaction or something to realizing its pg...:shrug:My levels have always been good so it looks normal but obviously something isn't right
 
Guess what I'm trying to say once you miss carry your P levels start dropping fast no matter what caused you to miscarry
 
Any insight, please? I'm a mess right now.

TSH .515
LH 3.5
FSH 7.4
Progesterone .2

There were others but the nurse said Doc would call me with everything else and go over things with me. She didn't want to "go there" so now I'm a mess. She is his wife and a friend so I know if it was too horrid, she'd tell me.

H0peful, are you hyperthyroid?? Your TSH looks like it is on the extreme low end of normal. I know they say when you're TTC it should ideally be between 1 and 2.
 
No kicking coming from me, Milty!

Cali, I've always been hypothyroid. I'm curious about that # as well. He had said it would be a T3 but the testing paperwork said T4 when his wife was reading it to me. I'm about to call him and pester to see if he has time to chat. If not, hopefully he'll have time soon.

I'm not going to be accused of being a patient person anytime soon, I fear.
 
Ok so this has all got me thinking and looking back at the thread...

Ready did you know it will be 1 this month?

Also we are a bunch of cool chicks...I was reading old post and it was like I was reading it for the first time...a couple times I was laughing and look to see who wrote it and it was me :haha:

The I would think oh that's just like Ready but it was HA who wrote it....to funny

Also I started remembering all our graduates ...way cool...

We are still cool chicks ,we have just kinda lost ourselves along the way ,I think we are all amazing :thumbup::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:

:thumbup: Agree with you Bmom.

I didn't know it would be a year old this month Milty. That.........well to be honest.........it kind of sucks doesn't it? A year ago, I really thought I would be pregnant by now. Even though it sucked, I thought pregnancy was still eventually possible for me. Now I don't. :shrug: But, I'd rather be here, than where I was a year ago, at least emotionally. I'm coping better now, for sure.

Who knows what next year will bring. Maybe we'll all be chatting about our vacations and swapping recipes instead of chatting about ttc. :haha:

I think you could confuse Happy and myself because we're both realists. Neither one of us has sunshine shooting out our asses. :haha: She's much more well written than I am, so look for grammatical errors to find me. :haha:

About a week ago, I accidentally hit page #2 and saw a post from Nastby! I wonder how she is doing and if she had her baby. :flower:

A year ago I was just lurking here because I was still doing IUIs and was quite certain there was no need to post here because I was going to finally carry to term, so why start with another group? :dohh: But I'm really glad I did. :flower::flower:

As for being a realist, I think that's all related to the lurker who doesn't like that we talk about losses in here - the negative potential outcomes of ttc and IF are so incredibly frightening to some people that they just can't handle even hearing others talk about it. They scare the living hell out of me, too, but trying to ignore them or pretend they don't exist only makes that fear grow stronger, so I'm a realist. :shrug: I'm in a position right now where we have to consider the negative outcomes, because odds are that's where we're going to end up... to pretend they don't exist would be to go into debt by continuing with futile treatments... and then we'd end up broke and sad and childless, instead of just sad and childless. :shrug: This is why I'm on anti-depressants and in therapy - I don't pretend to know what I'm doing or to be enjoying it. :haha:


I take the progesterone cream so I wasn't sure how it could be so flipping low.

The only thing I'd add to Milty's comments re your progesterone is that using creams and suppositories won't affect the blood level of progesterone - it could look really low in your bloods but if you're shoving it up your hoo-ha, your uterus is likely getting more than enough to support a pregnancy. It just gets absorbed directly where it's needed instead of getting metabolized by your liver and showing up in your blood. My RE basically ignores blood P4 levels as long as he knows you're on suppositories.
 
I had no idea progesterone suppositories didn't reflect in bloods :thumbup: Milty, something was strange in your last cycle..did your doc give any indication what might be going on?
 
Nope I havnt talked to her yet but the nurse thought I had a strong O :dohh:
 

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