Those who dont let you lo see/watch the tv...

Evelyn watchs an ep of In The Night Garden or Baby Jake a day, i also make sure she plays by herself in a cot and has time with each of us as well as periods of listening to music, everything in moderation :)
 
OKAY SO BASED ON WHAT U ARE ALL SAYING, I CAN BE SURE U HAVE NOT READ ANYTHING THAT I HAVE POSTED IN THE LINK ABOVE...SO LET ME COPY AND PASTE FOR YOU HERE. the whole idea is for you NOT to notice them!!!

What if the messages described above were able to reach directly the viewers’ subconscious mind, without the viewers even realizing what is happening? That is the goal of subliminal perception. The phrase subliminal advertising was coined in 1957 by the US market researcher James Vicary, who said he could get moviegoers to “drink Coca-Cola” and “eat popcorn” by flashing those messages onscreen for such a short time that viewers were unaware.

“Subliminal perception is a deliberate process created by communications technicians, by which you receive and respond to information and instructions without being consciously aware of the instructions”
– Steve Jacobson, Mind Control in the United States



Although some sources claim that subliminal advertising is ineffective or even an urban myth, the documented usage of this technique in mass media proves that creators believe in its powers. Recent studies have also proven its effectiveness, especially when the message is negative.



FOR THOSE WHO THINK THEY ARE "UNAFFECTED" BY SUBLIMINALS, HERE IS A STUDY THAT WAS CARRIED OUT. ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVE THAT YOU AREN'T AFFECTED? PLEASE SHOW ME SOME EVIDENCE (STUDIES CARRIED, SOMETHING) AS I AM PRESENTING HERE
” A team from University College London, funded by the Wellcome Trust, found that it [subliminal perception] was particularly good at instilling negative thoughts. There has been much speculation about whether people can process emotional information unconsciously, for example pictures, faces and words,” said Professor Nilli Lavie, who led the research. We have shown that people can perceive the emotional value of subliminal messages and have demonstrated conclusively that people are much more attuned to negative words.”

AND HERE IS THE SOURCE TO ABOVE^
https://www.wellcome.ac.uk/News/Media-office/Press-releases/2009/WTX056618.htm




That aside,
what do ya'll think about the fact that the number of corporations owning the majority of U.S. media outlets went from 50 to 5 in less than 20 years? -- as you can read in the article i posted , scroll down to media ownership:

https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/mind-control-theories-and-techniques-used-by-mass-media/

"A limited number of actors in the cultural industry means a limited amount of viewpoints and ideas making their way to the general public. It also means that a single message can easily saturate all forms of media to generate consent (i.e. “there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq”). "

The merger of media companies in the last decades generated a small oligarchy of media conglomerates. The TV shows we follow, the music we listen to, the movies we watch and the newspapers we read are all produced by FIVE corporations . The owners of those conglomerates have close ties with the world’s elite and, in many ways, they ARE the elite. By owning all of the possible outlets having the potential to reach the masses, these conglomerates have the power to create in the minds of the people a single and cohesive world view, engendering a “standardization of human thought”.

Even movements or styles that are considered marginal are, in fact, extensions of mainstream thinking. Mass medias produce their own rebels who definitely look the part but are still part of the establishment and do not question any of it. Artists, creations and ideas that do not fit the mainstream way of thinking are mercilessly rejected and forgotten by the conglomerates, which in turn makes them virtually disappear from society itself. However, ideas that are deemed to be valid and desirable to be accepted by society are skillfully marketed to the masses in order to make them become self-evident norm.

“The American motion picture is the greatest unconscious carrier of propaganda in the world today. It is a great distributor for ideas and opinions. The motion picture can standardize the ideas and habits of a nation. Because pictures are made to meet market demands, they reflect, emphasize and even exaggerate broad popular tendencies, rather than stimulate new ideas and opinions. The motion picture avails itself only of ideas and facts which are in vogue. As the newspaper seeks to purvey news, it seeks to purvey entertainment.”
– Edward Bernays, Propaganda

These facts were flagged as dangers to human freedom in the 1930′s by thinkers of the school of Frankfurt such as Theodor Adorno and Herbert Marcuse. They identified three main problems with the cultural industry. The industry can:

reduce human beings to the state of mass by hindering the development of emancipated individuals, who are capable of making rational decisions;
replace the legitimate drive for autonomy and self-awareness by the safe laziness of conformism and passivity; and
validate the idea that men actually seek to escape the absurd and cruel world in which they live by losing themselves in a hypnotic state self-satisfaction.


The notion of escapism is even more relevant today with advent of online video games, 3D movies and home theaters. The masses, constantly seeking state-of-the-art entertainment, will resort to high-budget products that can only be produced by the biggest media corporations of the world. These products contain carefully calculated messages and symbols which are nothing more and nothing less than entertaining propaganda. The public have been trained to LOVE its propaganda to the extent that it spends its hard-earned money to be exposed to it. Propaganda (used in both political, cultural and commercial sense) is no longer the coercive or authoritative communication form found in dictatorships: it has become the synonym of entertainment and pleasure.

One of the reasons mass media successfully influences society is due to the extensive amount of research on cognitive sciences and human nature that has been applied to it.

The drive to sell products and ideas to the masses has lead to an unprecedented amount of research on human behavior and on the human psyche. Cognitive sciences, psychology, sociology, semiotics, linguistics and other related fields were and still are extensively researched through well-funded studies.

“No group of sociologists can approximate the ad teams in the gathering and processing of exploitable social data. The ad teams have billions to spend annually on research and testing of reactions, and their products are magnificent accumulations of material about the shared experience and feelings of the entire community.”
- Marshal McLuhan, The Extensions of Man

The results of those studies are applied to advertisements, movies, music videos and other media in order to make them as influential as possible. The art of marketing is highly calculated and scientific because it must reach both the individual and the collective consciousness. In high-budget cultural products, a video is never “just a video,” Images, symbols and meanings are strategically placed in order to generate a desired effect.

“It is with knowledge of the human being, his tendencies, his desires, his needs, his psychic mechanisms, his automatisms as well as knowledge of social psychology and analytical psychology that propaganda refines its techniques.”
– Propagandes, Jacques Ellul (free translation)


Today’s propaganda almost never uses rational or logical arguments. It directly taps into a human’s most primal needs and instincts in order to generate an emotional and irrational response. If we always thought rationally, we probably wouldn’t buy 50% of what we own. Babies and children are constantly found in advertisements targeting women for a specific reason: studies have shown that images of children trigger in women an instinctual need to nurture, to care and to protect, ultimately leading to a sympathetic bias towards the advertisement.

Sex is ubiquitous in mass media, as it draws and keeps the viewer’s attention. It directly connects to our animal need to breed and to reproduce, and, when triggered, this instinct can instantly overshadow any other rational thoughts in our brain.

This technique is often used in marketing and we all know that sex sells.



please read more for yourself at the link i have posted 3 times already.
https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/mind-control-theories-and-techniques-used-by-mass-media/


its obviously your choice if you want to show your children TV. all i'm saying is this is why i don't put my lil girl in front of one. i choose not to expose her to such propaganda.
 
We don't let the children watch TV at home, in fact we got rid of ours. As to why, we have lots of reasons but here are just a few of our personal reasons:
- TV is passive, I prefer my children to be active (most of the time anyway!)
- to avoid the influence of adverts and consumerism
- to be in control of when and what my children are exposed to
- to reduce overstimulation
- to avoid sensationalism, fearmongering and violence that could cause anxiety
- a huge amount of brain development occurs during the first two years and is optimised by three types of stimuli: interaction, manipulation of environment and problem-solving activities; TV provides none of these
- studies have shown that the risks of TV include encouraging passivity, slow language acquisition, over-excitedness, trouble with sleep and concentration, and dependence on screens
- the average child will witness 200,000 acts of violence on TV by age 18 and studies have shown that violent TV can cause increased anxiety and sleep disruption, increased verbal and physical aggression, decreased empathy and decreased self-control
- EEG studies show diminished mental activity during TV viewing and the passivity and lowered alertness continues for a while after switching the TV off
- TV can cause neural hyperstimulation by conditioning the brain to expect high levels of input from the orienting reflex, resulting in boredom and inattentiveness in real life
- TV decreases the opportunities for children to mentally conjure a world with creative imagination
- TV is a time waster, by the time the average person is 70 they will have spent 7-10 years watching TV.


Good bit of copying and pasting here! ;-)
 
I also think that the music channel can be one of the worst! I work in a primary school and have several times heard them singing 'chains and whips excite me', the school disco...the girls all try and copy the 'sexy' moves they see in music videos!!


Funny, the same people that are pouring that garbage into these little girls minds are the same people who own and run Nickelodeon. Isn't that just touching.

Viacom owns:

CBS, MTV, MTV2, UPN, VH1, Showtime, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, TNN, CMT and BET
Paramount Pictures, Nickelodeon Movies, MTV Films
Blockbuster Videos
1800 screens in theaters through Famous Players

Read more at https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/mind-control-theories-and-techniques-used-by-mass-media/
 
Mommacat do you watch tv?
And do you walk around covering your eyes and your Childs eyes whenever you see any kind of advertising- be it in a paper/ magazine/ billboard... Or on the radio (please tell me radio is ok!) Will you let them use the computer?
I agree there is suggestion etc in tv but I think the people who get sucked into it are the ones that haven't been given choices to make their own minds up- and haven't been guided how to do this.
My daughter will realise what adverts cleverly do. She will know that tv isn't always reflective of real life. She wont watch everything and anything but she will be able to know that there are many educational programmes. Tv can be so educational- it can teach us about the world- about nature- about technology- about history- the solar system. Don't tell me that documentaries I have watched with children in my class (yes gosh at school) about the life that can be found under the sea also contain hidden messages. I could teach them with books you may say but what's better than having real footage of fish in their habitat.
Technology is so so important. My class of 4 and 5 year olds could use video cameras to produce their own 'reality shows'- they made their own films- and through it they learnt so much.

And the messages you send your children are so negative. You teach them to be suspicious of everyone and everything- they become obsessed with hidden 'messages'... Not trusting the world we live in.
I agree we need to protect our children- but letting them live in a bubble is so damaging. We need to guide them to make their own sensible decisions not just stop them doing anything we as parents don't like. They are individuals- not mini me's. I don't want my LO to have my opinions and my life- I want her to have her own views.

And just to suggest one more thing..... Don't children rebel when living within such tight constraints? I'm sure there must be evidence for that somewhere- if I could be bothered- I'd google it.
 
We don't let the children watch TV at home, in fact we got rid of ours. As to why, we have lots of reasons but here are just a few of our personal reasons:
- TV is passive, I prefer my children to be active (most of the time anyway!)
- to avoid the influence of adverts and consumerism
- to be in control of when and what my children are exposed to
- to reduce overstimulation
- to avoid sensationalism, fearmongering and violence that could cause anxiety
- a huge amount of brain development occurs during the first two years and is optimised by three types of stimuli: interaction, manipulation of environment and problem-solving activities; TV provides none of these
- studies have shown that the risks of TV include encouraging passivity, slow language acquisition, over-excitedness, trouble with sleep and concentration, and dependence on screens
- the average child will witness 200,000 acts of violence on TV by age 18 and studies have shown that violent TV can cause increased anxiety and sleep disruption, increased verbal and physical aggression, decreased empathy and decreased self-control
- EEG studies show diminished mental activity during TV viewing and the passivity and lowered alertness continues for a while after switching the TV off
- TV can cause neural hyperstimulation by conditioning the brain to expect high levels of input from the orienting reflex, resulting in boredom and inattentiveness in real life
- TV decreases the opportunities for children to mentally conjure a world with creative imagination
- TV is a time waster, by the time the average person is 70 they will have spent 7-10 years watching TV.


Good bit of copying and pasting here! ;-)

Yes, I copied, pasted and edited it from a document I compiled myself. ;)
 
Mommacat do you watch tv?
And do you walk around covering your eyes and your Childs eyes whenever you see any kind of advertising- be it in a paper/ magazine/ billboard... Or on the radio (please tell me radio is ok!) Will you let them use the computer?
I agree there is suggestion etc in tv but I think the people who get sucked into it are the ones that haven't been given choices to make their own minds up- and haven't been guided how to do this.
My daughter will realise what adverts cleverly do. She will know that tv isn't always reflective of real life. She wont watch everything and anything but she will be able to know that there are many educational programmes. Tv can be so educational- it can teach us about the world- about nature- about technology- about history- the solar system. Don't tell me that documentaries I have watched with children in my class (yes gosh at school) about the life that can be found under the sea also contain hidden messages. I could teach them with books you may say but what's better than having real footage of fish in their habitat.
Technology is so so important. My class of 4 and 5 year olds could use video cameras to produce their own 'reality shows'- they made their own films- and through it they learnt so much.

And the messages you send your children are so negative. You teach them to be suspicious of everyone and everything- they become obsessed with hidden 'messages'... Not trusting the world we live in.
I agree we need to protect our children- but letting them live in a bubble is so damaging. We need to guide them to make their own sensible decisions not just stop them doing anything we as parents don't like. They are individuals- not mini me's. I don't want my LO to have my opinions and my life- I want her to have her own views.

And just to suggest one more thing..... Don't children rebel when living within such tight constraints? I'm sure there must be evidence for that somewhere- if I could be bothered- I'd google it.


VERY well said!!
 
when ur watchin the telly, your mind goes into the same brainwave state that you'd go into during a hypnotic trance And what happens when you're in a hypnotic trance?The hypnotist implants SUBLIMINAL, subconscious messages which have an impact on your perception and reality.

For example, tv commercials are full of subliminal messages as well as catchy tunes, etc. which you may think have no impact on your decision making but subconsciously, you are more likely to buy a certain product because you saw it on whatever commercial. (google television, subliminal messages in commercials for yourself) Children are especially open to suggestion, as their brains take everything in like sponges. Big corporations know this, which is why they are willing to spend thousands of dollars to parade their products on the air, even if it's only for a few seconds. Trust me, when you actually begin to research the subliminals in advertising and television, whats staggers you is not what they do and whats there but the scale of it!

please, PLEASE watch this , before you disagree with me! It's about what tv actually does to your brain chemistry. A must see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw_7CJ5ozaM&feature=related


television is a form of mind control. it is constantly shaping your views of the world, who your children's role models will be, what music they will like, what they value. It has a much bigger impact than you think.

It will even sway your political beliefs. can you spot the subliminal message in this political advertisement?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhO27-w5-vk

and its not just commercials which contain subliminal messages.
Do your children watch enjoy disney movies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73fCLx-mFLg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoOuXHlNErI

how bout spongebob?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOCaT6W5OSE&feature=fvst

Don't just take my word for it. do more of your own research. you wil be shocked.


I'm sorry but what an absolute load of rubbish!!! All someone has done here is tried to find problems where there are none! Really made me laugh though.
 
eek! there seem to be a lot of paranoid people on here!

you cant shelter your children from everything! my cousin is 6 years old and has just watched the series Frozen Planet. she was amazed by it and now wants to work with animals when she is older.

so come on experts, where is the harm in that? have they damaged her forever by letting her see the world on her TV?????

you cant hide kids away from everything forever.

by the way...subliminal messages in Disney films?????? seriously?????i bet the FBI are rushed off their feet researching that one. i havent got enough time on my hands to go and research every single film my son may watch when hes older. i think il chance it.
 
Those video clips are like the photos people publish saying they saw the face of Jesus inside a stick of celery.
Spooky
 
next thing i know TV probably causes cancer. lol!
 
when ur watchin the telly, your mind goes into the same brainwave state that you'd go into during a hypnotic trance And what happens when you're in a hypnotic trance?The hypnotist implants SUBLIMINAL, subconscious messages which have an impact on your perception and reality.

For example, tv commercials are full of subliminal messages as well as catchy tunes, etc. which you may think have no impact on your decision making but subconsciously, you are more likely to buy a certain product because you saw it on whatever commercial. (google television, subliminal messages in commercials for yourself) Children are especially open to suggestion, as their brains take everything in like sponges. Big corporations know this, which is why they are willing to spend thousands of dollars to parade their products on the air, even if it's only for a few seconds. Trust me, when you actually begin to research the subliminals in advertising and television, whats staggers you is not what they do and whats there but the scale of it!

please, PLEASE watch this , before you disagree with me! It's about what tv actually does to your brain chemistry. A must see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw_7CJ5ozaM&feature=related


television is a form of mind control. it is constantly shaping your views of the world, who your children's role models will be, what music they will like, what they value. It has a much bigger impact than you think.

It will even sway your political beliefs. can you spot the subliminal message in this political advertisement?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhO27-w5-vk

and its not just commercials which contain subliminal messages.
Do your children watch enjoy disney movies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73fCLx-mFLg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoOuXHlNErI

how bout spongebob?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOCaT6W5OSE&feature=fvst

Don't just take my word for it. do more of your own research. you wil be shocked.


I'm sorry but what an absolute load of rubbish!!! All someone has done here is tried to find problems where there are none! Really made me laugh though.

haha me too...did you see when Simba lands on the ground and the pollen spells sex??? i watched this film 50 times when i was a kid and now....i like sex!!!!!! OH MY GOD it must be because of the lion king!:haha:

sorry but i find it worrying that people actually take this seriously....
 
I also think that the music channel can be one of the worst! I work in a primary school and have several times heard them singing 'chains and whips excite me', the school disco...the girls all try and copy the 'sexy' moves they see in music videos!!

I agree with this. While most of the time when I have it on music, it's on the actual music channel and ours doesn't play the video. Once Sophia starts understanding what things mean and begins to mimic words - I'll definitely be censoring what I watch and listen a LOT more carefully.

No Socks, I couldn't have said it better myself. That's the direction I was going in, but it was almost 1am, and after watching those videos I couldn't bring myself to a serious "debate" haha.
 
Mommacat do you watch tv?
And do you walk around covering your eyes and your Childs eyes whenever you see any kind of advertising- be it in a paper/ magazine/ billboard... Or on the radio (please tell me radio is ok!) Will you let them use the computer?
I agree there is suggestion etc in tv but I think the people who get sucked into it are the ones that haven't been given choices to make their own minds up- and haven't been guided how to do this.
My daughter will realise what adverts cleverly do. She will know that tv isn't always reflective of real life. She wont watch everything and anything but she will be able to know that there are many educational programmes. Tv can be so educational- it can teach us about the world- about nature- about technology- about history- the solar system. Don't tell me that documentaries I have watched with children in my class (yes gosh at school) about the life that can be found under the sea also contain hidden messages. I could teach them with books you may say but what's better than having real footage of fish in their habitat.
Technology is so so important. My class of 4 and 5 year olds could use video cameras to produce their own 'reality shows'- they made their own films- and through it they learnt so much.

And the messages you send your children are so negative. You teach them to be suspicious of everyone and everything- they become obsessed with hidden 'messages'... Not trusting the world we live in.
I agree we need to protect our children- but letting them live in a bubble is so damaging. We need to guide them to make their own sensible decisions not just stop them doing anything we as parents don't like. They are individuals- not mini me's. I don't want my LO to have my opinions and my life- I want her to have her own views.

And just to suggest one more thing..... Don't children rebel when living within such tight constraints? I'm sure there must be evidence for that somewhere- if I could be bothered- I'd google it.

Amen!
 
when ur watchin the telly, your mind goes into the same brainwave state that you'd go into during a hypnotic trance And what happens when you're in a hypnotic trance?The hypnotist implants SUBLIMINAL, subconscious messages which have an impact on your perception and reality.

For example, tv commercials are full of subliminal messages as well as catchy tunes, etc. which you may think have no impact on your decision making but subconsciously, you are more likely to buy a certain product because you saw it on whatever commercial. (google television, subliminal messages in commercials for yourself) Children are especially open to suggestion, as their brains take everything in like sponges. Big corporations know this, which is why they are willing to spend thousands of dollars to parade their products on the air, even if it's only for a few seconds. Trust me, when you actually begin to research the subliminals in advertising and television, whats staggers you is not what they do and whats there but the scale of it!

please, PLEASE watch this , before you disagree with me! It's about what tv actually does to your brain chemistry. A must see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw_7CJ5ozaM&feature=related


television is a form of mind control. it is constantly shaping your views of the world, who your children's role models will be, what music they will like, what they value. It has a much bigger impact than you think.

It will even sway your political beliefs. can you spot the subliminal message in this political advertisement?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhO27-w5-vk

and its not just commercials which contain subliminal messages.
Do your children watch enjoy disney movies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73fCLx-mFLg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoOuXHlNErI

how bout spongebob?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOCaT6W5OSE&feature=fvst

Don't just take my word for it. do more of your own research. you wil be shocked.


I'm sorry but what an absolute load of rubbish!!! All someone has done here is tried to find problems where there are none! Really made me laugh though.

The message in The Lion King is an "easter egg" a popular animated movie tool, the SEX actually spells SFX, as in special effects :dohh:
 
Wow, i didnt realize that not owning a television was "sheltering my child from the world" or "keeping her in a bubble" LOL. i honestly think tv is limiting, and keeps you in a bubble as it is very bias and i have proven that only 5 corporations own and control all major media outlets, therefore a limited amount of viewpoints and ideas making their way to the general public/your children when they watch it.. Besides, children have grown up without a TV since the beginning of time, they didnt grow up in a bubble did they? all up until around the 1950's, and tbh i feel as though they were much better without it. they played outside more, learned from books, and didnt sit around as much. did u know the average person watches 5 hours of television a day??? i look around me today and i see a society obsessed with sex, violence, mass materialism/consumerism and overalll just uninformed about important global issues (such as the war, the economy, and so on. While there are illegal wars going on in libya, and the middle east, the economy is falling apart, ya'll are sitting home watching Dancing with the Stars. Here is a good article on how fox news viewers are less informed than people who don't watch any news at all. there was an actual study carried out on it.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011...med-people-fairleigh-dickinson_n_1106305.html

i would just prefer to teach my daughter to not get her information from just one source (the TV).. To read as many books as possible. to research information online. to be able to discern truth from the lies, because no, i do not just 'trust' whatever i am told to be true. people did this in nazi germany and look at what happened. the media told the people to trust hitler, that he was a great man, a hero, and that jews were inferior. how was it that the german gov't got all those people to believe the same BS? thru the media

i believe that some documentaries are okay, like footage on the discovery channel and what not. and letting children make their own documentaries/films is wonderful. allow them to be creative. however, sitting around watching the telly does not really stimulate your creative side. not at all.
 
Hmm, using Hitla as a comparison is a little far fetched. But I guess if Sponge Bob starts churning out subliminal messages to kill all ginger people we may not be able to help ourselves.
 
Hmm, using Hitla as a comparison is a little far fetched. But I guess if Sponge Bob starts churning out subliminal messages to kill all ginger people we may not be able to help ourselves.

Obviously, i am not just referring to children's cartoons. Please, think outside the box (no pun intended)
 

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