Time Magazine and AP

I know what you're saying lhancock but some of the criticisms you get as an EBF mum are not comparable to other aspects of parenting choices: 'it's perverted, it's sexual, mums only doing it for her own pleasure, EBF kids are mum obsessed freaks, it's child abuse - she should be in prison' - a genuine handful of EBF comments i've heard before. And the common misconception that there are no benefits after infancy is very frustrating because then it DOES almost seem to confirm these absurd ideals.

I would be far more comfortable telling a stanger I FF'd rather than EBF'd. Mum forums are a sanctury for me as I can talk about it freely. So when an opinion like the ones I stated above crops up, it will be hurtful for a lot of people on here, like me, who come here to talk about their choices hopefully without prejudice.
 
But saying you don't agree with it is better than implying and saying it's sexual :shrug: It's the lack of tact in how she said it. I'm fine if you don't agree with extended breastfeeding, formula feed, push your child, wear your child. I won't say you're poisoning your child by FF though.
 
Shes not the first woman to have that opinion. She won't be the last. 20 pages later and her opinion hasn't changed, its best to leave her to it.

I am curious however, when do you think its the right age to stop?

I'll be going until LO self weans, but am hoping to make it to age 2 at the least. For medical reasons, we aren't starting vaccinating until age 2 so I really want her to have the benefits of breast milk until then. I think self weaning is ideal, as that is when a child is ready, but I really think this is a decision that each family needs to make for them. I wouldn't stop nursing in order to get pregnant again, but know mom's that have, for example and that is what was right for their families. Any amount of bfing is great, but the WHO recommends 2, so I'd like to say that is "ideal" but it might not be right for every family IYKWIM.
 
But saying you don't agree with it is better than implying and saying it's sexual :shrug: It's the lack of tact in how she said it. I'm fine if you don't agree with extended breastfeeding, formula feed, push your child, wear your child. I won't say you're poisoning your child by FF though.

The fact that you used that as an example, whether you believe or not, is just as insulting to me as it is to say an EBF is abuse.
I just don't think 20 pages of having a go at the girl gets anyone anywhere. Ofc its not sexual, however as in most arguements i think some of what she said has been taken wrongly/out of context.
 
Umm, no she actually made a post asking if it was sexual.

I used it as an example :shrug: I could give two titties how you feed your child.
 
Umm, no she actually made a post asking if it was sexual.

I used it as an example :shrug: I could give two titties how you feed your child.

She "asked" if it was sexual, is different to saying it is.
Nice pun btw. :thumbup:
 
Doesn't mean she can't have opinion btw, but a little tact goes a long way. Also Ashlee had nothing to back up her opinion which always frustrates me in a debate (why have such a powerful response in a debate if you have nothing to support yourself? you are clearly going to be questioned).
 
I have to say, I don't get upset of offended by views like Ashlees or from people who think natural term BF is child abuse. Why would I?

If people hold those views, then I know they are founded through ignorance and small mindedness, so why would it bother me in the slightest?
 
Ok ladies, I think this thread has gotten off topic! The real topic was the actual picture. Many of us, like myself, have no problem with extended breast feeding, even if it is not necessarily for us. Personally I would express at that point, but I don't think a mother is wrong for choosing to breastfeed instead. However, I think putting your almost 4 year old son in a shock value photo on the cover of a magazine is wrong. And I feel that is what we are debating here, the picture.

I don't think it is right to judge or call people disgusting (although I used that word to describe the mother putting her child in a shock value photo-and that had nothing to do with her BFing him..just putting him in that photo) and I also hope people realize how much crap us FF moms get. I couldn't breast feed past 7 weeks. I drove myself insane and spent a fortune trying and felt awful about myself, and will never get back those 7 weeks with dd. And I was so tired of people saying "you can do it, you just have to stick with it...don't supplement, it will make it worse" Lucky for me I had friends whose little ones ended up in ER due to them listening to the extreme pro breastfeeders and didn't want to disappoint. What is also bad about that is since people keep pushing us and telling us we can do it, we feel like even more of a failure when we can't. I still get people asking me every day if I am breastfeeding, and sometimes dh and I lie because I hate having people judge me for formula feeding and I am sick of having to explain myself. I am also embarrassed to feed dd in public because I dont want people to see me using a bottle of formula. So please ladies, the judging goes both ways and don't think it doesn't....just let's please do our best not to judge each other. We are all good mom's and are trying to raise out children the best we can. As for this thread, let's try to keep it about the picture/article rather than putting each other down.

As for reporting one of the posters, again I think things need to be fair wobbles. I have seen other threads of people getting attacked where you have said nothing(actually took their side) because it wasn't something you disagreed with. If you allow people to attack someone for putting rice cereal in a 3 month old's bottle, then you shouldn't freak out when someone makes rude comments about EB. All attacks are wrong and should be handled the same way, whether you agree with the subject or not.

Erm, you've mentioned this going off topic, but have then started talking about FF, which is absolutely not relevent to the discussion. :wacko: Lets not make this into another BF v FF debate...

The child in the photo is 3. Would it be more acceptable if the child were a baby in arms?

I know, I mentioned FF to discuss that on both sides we have negative comments coming our way and it should stop.

I think the photo would have been more appropriate if it looked more natural and loving. Not a kid staring at a camera. The photo was done for shock value, and in my opinion to use your son like that is not right. I would have been perfectly fine of a natural breast feeding photo of a mother and three year old.

Of course the photo was done for shock value. I am not sure why (on your later post) the editor's comments come as any suprise to people. They are in the business of selling magazines, they exploit anyone they feature in their magazine in order to make money, man, woman, child, celebrity or 'average' person. That is how it works. They want a catchy headline and they want to grab people's attention, either in a positive or negative way, whatever will get the biggest reaction and get the most people to buy the magazine.

I can't see how a more 'natural' photo would really be any less shocking (because most of the naysayers have a problem with a three year old being breastfed full stop) or likely to result in the child being bullied less. As it happens and as I have said, I don't think this will result in bullying for the child, so if no harm is coming to the child then I don't think it really matters whether they are being 'exploited' or not. Strictly speaking, we're exploiting our child every time we ask them to smile for the camera and any sort of pose for a photo for a magazine is certainly exploitation.

Good or bad publicity, this gets it into the public eye that three year olds (and older children) actually get breastfed and as the Mother's aren't being arrested for child abuse, then it's clearly not a welfare issue, so it gets that in the public eye too. I think the photograph is much better publicity for breastfeeding than if they'd shown a 'stereotypical Mum' breastfeeding looking all lovingly at her child, because it not only challenges people's views of the 'sort' of Mums who breastfeed, but shows all types of women do it.

Whilst i agree with a few of your points,i do think a more natural picture would have been better,after all who Bf their child standing on a stool :wacko: and with the them both looking into camera looks bizzare and very staged (which i know it is but still) BF is natural so why not have a more soft natrual loving picture :shrug: (lots of natruals i know :haha:) If people are shocked by the fact that women BF their children 3+ then you not really softening the blow with this highly provocative picture :wacko: which imo is doing nothing for BF mums at all :nope: The lady in the picture has fab boobs (envy :haha:) but still didnt have to have the pose she had.I think it could have been done so well too,which is such a shame but i guess money came into it as it usually does :( As i have said in my last post,i think the fact this women is BF still is just wonderful but the picture just wasnt that nice and adds to the superfical society we have now...
 
I think what bothers me about them is that it might make women think twice about BFing. If I have a daughter, I want her to make decisions that are hers and I wouldn't want her being called an abuser for extended BFing.

I've also seen child abusers and the resulting trauma caused to their children. Saying BFing is sexual abuse just sickens me because I've seen the results of REAL sexual abuse
 
I think what bothers me about them is that it might make women think twice about BFing. If I have a daughter, I want her to make decisions that are hers and I wouldn't want her being called an abuser for extended BFing.

I've also seen child abusers and the resulting trauma caused to their children. Saying BFing is sexual abuse just sickens me because I've seen the results of REAL sexual abuse

Its obviously not child abuse, i agree, thats waaaaaaaay to far.
I don't think the article is helpful to EBF, i honestly don't.
There will always be people will opposing opinions, but honestly, my opinions towards BF changed from forums and i think public opinion is turning. Hopefully by the time our kids our older, it'll be an accepted norm.
 
I think what bothers me about them is that it might make women think twice about BFing. If I have a daughter, I want her to make decisions that are hers and I wouldn't want her being called an abuser for extended BFing.

I've also seen child abusers and the resulting trauma caused to their children. Saying BFing is sexual abuse just sickens me because I've seen the results of REAL sexual abuse

I havent read the magazine yet? but thats awful! just shows are so far removed we have gone in society to think that BF a little longer is sexual abuse!!! Stoooopid people!!!!! :growlmad:
 
I think what bothers me about them is that it might make women think twice about BFing. If I have a daughter, I want her to make decisions that are hers and I wouldn't want her being called an abuser for extended BFing.

I've also seen child abusers and the resulting trauma caused to their children. Saying BFing is sexual abuse just sickens me because I've seen the results of REAL sexual abuse

Its obviously not child abuse, i agree, thats waaaaaaaay to far.
I don't think the article is helpful to EBF, i honestly don't.
There will always be people will opposing opinions, but honestly, my opinions towards BF changed from forums and i think public opinion is turning. Hopefully by the time our kids our older, it'll be an accepted norm.

I can only hope. It saddens me that there is still prejudice in our world today. It's not just about breastfeeding, but that's another topic. I hope I've clearly stated why it bothers me so much. I don't want a woman without a strong will or one that has doubt about her choices to see these horrible things and second guess her choices.
 
lets hope most women are a bit brighter than that...
 
I think what bothers me about them is that it might make women think twice about BFing. If I have a daughter, I want her to make decisions that are hers and I wouldn't want her being called an abuser for extended BFing.

I've also seen child abusers and the resulting trauma caused to their children. Saying BFing is sexual abuse just sickens me because I've seen the results of REAL sexual abuse

Its obviously not child abuse, i agree, thats waaaaaaaay to far.
I don't think the article is helpful to EBF, i honestly don't.
There will always be people will opposing opinions, but honestly, my opinions towards BF changed from forums and i think public opinion is turning. Hopefully by the time our kids our older, it'll be an accepted norm.

I agree that I'm not sure that this will help BFing in general or AP for that matter. I saw a video of the writer of the article and I get the vibe of her not really caring for AP/EBF, though she seems to like Dr. Sears enough. To be honest, with the front cover and the title of the article I got the impression that it was meant to antagonize other mothers....or sell magazines.:thumbup:

Dad has suscription to Time, so I'll see this article eventually. I am just shocked by the comments on the articles from readers. So venemous some of them!

Don't get it.:shrug:
 
So porn is OK but breast feeding causes an outrage? This just shows the hypocrisy of our modern day society. There is nothing wrong with extended breastfeeding. It's perfectly normal. The times magazine were obviously planning on causing shock than actually showing extended BF in a positive light.
 
https://www.bestforbabes.org/celebrities-who-breastfed-toddlers-but-not-on-the-cover-of-time

^^For those still EBF or going to.
 
I think what bothers me about them is that it might make women think twice about BFing. If I have a daughter, I want her to make decisions that are hers and I wouldn't want her being called an abuser for extended BFing.

I've also seen child abusers and the resulting trauma caused to their children. Saying BFing is sexual abuse just sickens me because I've seen the results of REAL sexual abuse

Its obviously not child abuse, i agree, thats waaaaaaaay to far.
I don't think the article is helpful to EBF, i honestly don't.
There will always be people will opposing opinions, but honestly, my opinions towards BF changed from forums and i think public opinion is turning. Hopefully by the time our kids our older, it'll be an accepted norm.

I can only hope. It saddens me that there is still prejudice in our world today. It's not just about breastfeeding, but that's another topic. I hope I've clearly stated why it bothers me so much. I don't want a woman without a strong will or one that has doubt about her choices to see these horrible things and second guess her choices.

I also hope if your dd wants to formula feed she doesn't second guess herself because she feels she is not "mom enough". The prejudice goes both ways and both are sad.
 
I think you will find that moms that BF face more prejudice than moms that FF.
 

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