Tongue tie/Lip tie support thread

Has anyone had a PTT cut a second time? I think LO's either wasn't cut enough or there is regrowth. She still can't extend her tongue very far and when my DH runs his finger side to side he feels a bump. I'm still having supply issues as well.
 
Yup, bub's was cut twice but from a shoddy job, not from regrowth sorry. Also, it's still there and it was offered to be lasered AGAIN by a different physician. However she's latching and feeding enough (there's still slight discomfort but that's due to sensitive nips) so I'm leaving it. It shouldn't interfere with teeth etc. I have quite a tight tongue tie and I only trip over my words occasionally :)
 
Thanks for this thread! My LO is 9 days old and had his tongue tie divided yesterday - this past week has been a nightmare with latch problems, destroyed nipples, supplementing with formula bottles since day 3 and a massive amount of guilt over not being able to breastfeed. It's taken until today for my nipples to heal enough for LO to latch on without causing further damage and do far so good. The BFing support worker turned up to check his positioning and latch and declared him to be "a natural". We've been sat on the couch feeding most of today and the difference is massive! No more sore nipples and he's feeding like a real boobie demon :D.

I'm over the moon!
 
Hi! My lo has an upper lip tie and a posterior tongue tie. I went along to a bf group after three weeks because feeding him was so painful. I remembered pain from feeding my first but it only lasted the first few days. A peer supporter spotted his lip tie and his tongue tie and showed me how to latch him on more comfortably, i asked about snipping but she said it was unlikely as he was feeding well and gaining weight.

It is still occasionally uncomfortable to feed, and he makes the 'click' with each gulp so is always windy, but his weight gain is still brilliant. My oversupply issues are settling down now, I no longer look like dolly parton ;)
 
Yup, bub's was cut twice but from a shoddy job, not from regrowth sorry. Also, it's still there and it was offered to be lasered AGAIN by a different physician. However she's latching and feeding enough (there's still slight discomfort but that's due to sensitive nips) so I'm leaving it. It shouldn't interfere with teeth etc. I have quite a tight tongue tie and I only trip over my words occasionally :)

Thanks. The doctor who snipped her tongue tie is the "go to" doctor around here. I don't think she did a bad job but I've read that scissors can't always cut deep enough with PTT. Or it may have regrown. I can't decide if we should leave it be or not. Frankly I'm tired of worrying about breastfeeding so much. This has been exhausting!
 
Hi ladies, just want to offer some support!!
My LO, Scarlett, was born at 35 weeks and spent two weeks in the NICU. She had a rough time eating at first so I decided to exclusively pump and bottle feed. However, raynauds made that extremely painful! I met with some lactation consultants and we began the journey to breastfeeding while she was 6 weeks however, it was a painful latch and would shape my nipple into a wedge so they said to see her doc about a tongue tie if it doesn't improve.
at about 6 almost 7 weeks Scarlett had her tongue tie clipped. We put her to the breast immediately after and there was already a slight improvement. Now at 6 months old she exclusively breastfeeds perfectly! :) The clip wasn't TOO horrible.. I was in tears, as was DH but I'm pretty sure Scarlett has completely forgotten about it! Definitely worth it if you are set on breastfeeding!! The LC said it can cause so much damage to your nipples if you just deal with it. Good luck mamas! :flower:
 
I'd love to hear from anyone who got a PTT clipped by laser. I have the opportunity to ride along with a friend to a pediatric dentist who revises them using laser. People come from all over to see him. He's supposed to be excellent.
 
that's brilliant nmews aklaze - Aoife was the same, a slight improvement immediately, and perfect feeding within 2 weeks.

I remember sitting feeding her with my toes literally curled in agony, tears rolling down my face, feeling so cheated of the beautiful bonding experience that everyone else seemed to get.
Now at 4 months I sit serenely feeding my baby, both of us blissed out and happy - just like I always wanted

chattyB - I hope things continue to improve for you xx

fidget - glad that your LO is gaining well . Is the 'uncomfortable' you're getting livable with? If not you cou;ld always look into going private :thumbup:

Monalisa - I'm with you on the the exhausting front - until we were sorted I was absolutely knackered with it all
 
God i feel like such a bad mum!!

When my dd was born i tried to breast feed, i couldnt handle it, the pain the constant screaming etc since she is my first i didnt know whether it was normal or not. At 3 days old i queried her mouth and was told she was fine, i felt like a dafty. So i gave up and i feel really bad about it now. She took to bottles great, constant hiccups,noise whilst feeding and severe reflux. At 6wks old i had her at doctors, again i asked him to check her mouth and was told she was fine. At her 6month check with health visitor i broke down. She checked her mouth and she has tongue (posterior) and both upper and lower lip tie. My doctor said to let it run its course since she is over 12wks. I have fought since then (shes 8 months now) and finally i am getting seen by a consultant on monday. Can anyone tell me what to expect. Willthey operate at 8months?

I wish i had kept at them when she was born, but i didnt! I thought they would know best!
 
They noticed Connor had TT at birth, but they said its not severe enough to warrent being cut...honestly the thoughtof anyone cutting anything on him maks me feel physically sick so im really hoping they were right

so far BF seems to be going well though, he feeds every 2 hours during the day, and 3-4 hours at night, feeds for 15-30 minutes (depending on how long since last feed) its painful when he first latches on but goes away after a few suckles, or if im engorged its a bit more painful.

he seems happy after a feed though, poops and pees ok, im hoping this doesnt change but the hospita Dr did say it has a chance to grow as he does - is that correct?
 
Hi everyone, my dd had a posterior tt released on Thursday and so far I'm only seeing a small difference. The dr who did it seemed to think she may need to be snipped a little more, so she is booked in for that on Tuesday.

Today we have had a couple of pain free feeds and I thought we had cracked it, but tonight it had been agony and the nipple is misshapen again. I can only wait and see what happens after Tuesday. I was hoping to not have to take dd, but think I will.

What exercises do you do? I asked the dr about them snd she said that they weren't necessary as she hadn't known then to reattach. She did day that the ones that do reattach are from scar tissue.
 
Hi everyone, my dd had a posterior tt released on Thursday and so far I'm only seeing a small difference. The dr who did it seemed to think she may need to be snipped a little more, so she is booked in for that on Tuesday.

Today we have had a couple of pain free feeds and I thought we had cracked it, but tonight it had been agony and the nipple is misshapen again. I can only wait and see what happens after Tuesday. I was hoping to not have to take dd, but think I will.

What exercises do you do? I asked the dr about them snd she said that they weren't necessary as she hadn't known then to reattach. She did day that the ones that do reattach are from scar tissue.

NO. The exercises are completely necessary - check out page 1 or 2, Urchin has a big list of exercised. They help stretch the tongue and give it movement. Remember, babies with TTs haven't been able to exercise them in utero and need practice.

It took weeks for my LOs tongue to improve. Don't be discouraged, keep going at it and good luck :D
 
i think my little one has a lip tie, it goes right down to her gum line, isnt v thick tho. She slides off my nipple and keeps grabbing at me until she gets her lip out slightly, or just gives up and feeds with her mouth more open, so i can see in and milk falls out underneath...then gets bad wind! it seems to be becoming more noticable to me feeding her. hpwever she is gaining weight well, would doctors do anything?
 
weewdy, you're not a bad mum at all - health professionals seem to know very little about tt and even less about its effect on BF. They all missed my LO's tt too, it was only when I saw the LC at a Baby Cafe that it was discovered.

Not sure what to expect at your 8 month appointment, but I'm guessing you're going to need to explain the difficulties that the ties are causing if you want them divided.

Good luck and let us know how you get on :hugs:


PepsiChic - if he's feeding well, putting on weight, and you are not getting pain, then there is probably no need to snip a slight posterior tie.
Keep an eye on it - if it does tighten up you could always try the exercises :thumbup:

Sparkly - it took a couple of weeks for Aoife to learn to feed properly after hers was snipped, so it may be early days yet, but see what they say tomorrow.

Some drs don't think the exercises are needed, but tbh I think aftr all that time with a tt, babies need to learn to use their tongue differently ... I'd have a go anyway cuz they can't hurt can they?

confused - I'm not sue about LTs, but I'm sure someone will be along to give you some advice xx
 
i think my little one has a lip tie, it goes right down to her gum line, isnt v thick tho. She slides off my nipple and keeps grabbing at me until she gets her lip out slightly, or just gives up and feeds with her mouth more open, so i can see in and milk falls out underneath...then gets bad wind! it seems to be becoming more noticable to me feeding her. hpwever she is gaining weight well, would doctors do anything?

The paediatric surgeon didn't want to touch my baby's LT even though it was VERY thick and all the way down her gum. However, a dentist was happy to laser it and I'm glad we did because she no longer clicks and doesn't suck as much air (although it did take time, stretching and exercises).

However a thin LT tends to be broken the first time the child faceplants when they're learning to walk (sounds terrible but it's so true!). If it's thick though, it can impact BF and teeth development.

Instead of surgery, you could try stretching it? Lift the top lip and slowly pull, extending further each time. Apply pressure to the lip tie itself - however if you do that to yourself you'll notice it's quite uncomfortable so make up your own mind whether you want to do this to LO. We were instructed to by the dentist but decided that was going too far (it hurt my DH so I didn't want to do that to a little baby).

Always try to flare the top lip manually when they're latched (I STILL have to do this to LO on occasion!).

HTH
 
Weewdy - I'm in the same boat as you! DD is going for her appt with an otolaryngologist on feb 13th and shell be 7.5 months old!

Eevee had seizures when she was born because she had a bm in utero and wasn't breathing for 5 min when she came out. She was in NICU for two weeks, getting fed through an umbilical IV the first week and then bm in a bottle after it was taken out. After a few days of pumping every 2-3 hours the nurses said I wasn't making enough and they had to supplement with formula. They never told me I could try breastfeeding while she was there even though I had told them I wanted to EBF when she first arrived, so we didn't get to try until she came home. She would try at first but once her mouth touched my breast she would scream and pull away every time. I asked a LC about it and if it might be tongue tie, she said she didn't feel anything and I just needed to keep trying. She said the baby had nipple confusion and would just have to get over it.

By the time she was one month she still hadn't latched and I was only pumping 3oz of bm a day while she was eating 32+oz of formula. She would cry allllllll the time and we would just continue feeding her bottles all day long since it seemed to be the only thing that helped. I knew she wanted to comfort suck but she wouldn't take a pacifier and continued to scream whenever I offered the breast. The day she turned one month I went to a LLLI meeting and some of the women suggested I had a forceful let down since milk would leak from my breasts at just the idea of feeding her.

They told me to try breast shields and I did and thank God because she finally latched at one month! And two weeks later she latched without the shield! ... Then the pain came. For almost a month I bared it, sometimes biting my lip and screaming with my mouth shut it hurt so bad! By the last week I was sure we had thrush the pain was so bad and the baby was so fussy at the breast. We treated her for it after getting a prescription over the phone with no exam. This involved running my finger around her mouth many times, including under her tongue (looking back I wonder if I had helped stretch her mouth out). We went to the doctor less than a week later and she immediately said there was no thrush for sure but we could finish the week out if we were still worried. I still had pain so I did finish the week and the next week I went back to treating myself with lanolin.

It was a month before it stopped hurting. Now my nipples are never "soft", they perpetually stay in an erect state, one of them is misshapen a bit, looks like: [\ if that makes sense lol. Since then I worked tirelessly to up my supply, taking blessed thistle, fennel seed, nettle leaf, fenugreek, brewers yeast, goats rue, domperidone, and saw palmetto three times a day along with a period where I tried pumping (made things much worse as baby didn't have enough to fall asleep with), and eating oatmeal (no effect). We got her all the way down, very slowly, from 32+oz of ff a day at one month to 5.5oz at 5 months and her only getting formula at the breast through a Lactaid! Then she got dehydrated and had bright yellow diapers and hard poos...

At that point I thought my heart would break. I read "The Mothers Guide to Making More Milk" and saw I had all the symptoms of insufficient glandular tissue, but she also has a "fence" in the bottom of her mouth!!! I can't believe that LC when she was a few weeks old said she didn't feel anything - you can't run your finger under her tongue at all without removing it and going around the tissue. Not only that but the tissue on her top lip connects completely to her top gums! I had always noticed she doesn't stick her top lip out when nursing and if I ever tried to flip it she would unlatch and pull away but I just thought she was being stubborn.

Her GP knows we've been having so much trouble with bf and trying to get EBF so when I told her my concern she immediately referred us to the otolaryngologist. I'm still a bit peeved because DH made us miss our first appointment which was scheduled January 6th and now we've had to reschedule for feb 13th.

It sort of feels a bit pointless now, her being 7.5 months and having started solids. She gets 6-8oz formula a day now and it would be nice for her to be EBF but I dont know - will my breasts even up their supply this late in the game??? I'm also worried about cutting it affecting her speech development or her mouth hurting so much she doesn't want to nurse. On the one hand I wonder if I'm being selfish trying to get it snipped as a "last hope" but on the other I've read it can affect speech later in life so maybe it's better to get it done??

Anyhoo, that's our story :) I'll come back and update after her appointment in Feb. Fingers crossed this makes things better and not worse!
 
Emerald: how was your LO after getting the lip tie cut with laser? We are going to Dr. Kotlow tomorrow. He's the expert here in the US for tongue and lip ties. At the very least I want a consult to hear his opinion on how restricted my LO is. We had her LT clipped with scissors but there is still a very thick piece of skin holding her lip down. I'm not hopeful this will do anything for our BF relationship at 3 months old. That's why I'm not sure it's worth it to pursue more than a consult right now.
 
Emerald: how was your LO after getting the lip tie cut with laser? We are going to Dr. Kotlow tomorrow. He's the expert here in the US for tongue and lip ties. At the very least I want a consult to hear his opinion on how restricted my LO is. We had her LT clipped with scissors but there is still a very thick piece of skin holding her lip down. I'm not hopeful this will do anything for our BF relationship at 3 months old. That's why I'm not sure it's worth it to pursue more than a consult right now.

Kaida didn't get hers done until around 2 months and after stretches and healing it made a big difference. She doesn't click anymore and gets less wind. It's also important for her teeth :)
 
Emerald: how was your LO after getting the lip tie cut with laser? We are going to Dr. Kotlow tomorrow. He's the expert here in the US for tongue and lip ties. At the very least I want a consult to hear his opinion on how restricted my LO is. We had her LT clipped with scissors but there is still a very thick piece of skin holding her lip down. I'm not hopeful this will do anything for our BF relationship at 3 months old. That's why I'm not sure it's worth it to pursue more than a consult right now.

Kaida didn't get hers done until around 2 months and after stretches and healing it made a big difference. She doesn't click anymore and gets less wind. It's also important for her teeth :)

Was she in a lot of discomfort after? Olivia has never clicked but she sure is a gassy little thing! He's going to assess her PTT also. I just don't think anything we do will make a difference with my supply issues at this point. I hate to put her through any procedure based on "what ifs.". Very very nervous!
 
Emerald: how was your LO after getting the lip tie cut with laser? We are going to Dr. Kotlow tomorrow. He's the expert here in the US for tongue and lip ties. At the very least I want a consult to hear his opinion on how restricted my LO is. We had her LT clipped with scissors but there is still a very thick piece of skin holding her lip down. I'm not hopeful this will do anything for our BF relationship at 3 months old. That's why I'm not sure it's worth it to pursue more than a consult right now.

Kaida didn't get hers done until around 2 months and after stretches and healing it made a big difference. She doesn't click anymore and gets less wind. It's also important for her teeth :)
 

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