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I hope the b vits help Elt, they didn't for me last month but I'm doing them again this month. Also taking zinc as heard that can help too. I hope you get another day on your LP or more! Good sign that your temps haven't dropped.

IssacRalph any sign of AF? Fx not!

My neck is a bit better so my mum is leaving today and the BD can continue.
 
Hey han! Glad your neck is getting better & you can resume with the bding!

No sign of AF yet but only 14/15dpo & I usually get AF on 16dpo giving me a full 15 day LP! Tested with ic this morning as my temp was still high, bfn with no evap! I was so confused with yesterdays evap! Still Feel very much out but am so relieved i'll be getting app for clinic, even if its to check bloods & have scans etc
 
I spoke too soon...big temp drop today, so unfortunately AF is right around the corner.
 
Hann-probably a good idea to continue the B vitamins as it can take awhile for them to have an effect and they cant hurt, right? And let the BDing continue for you, yay!

Isaac-I know what you mean about the frustration of not knowing what else to do. I am not feeling so bad since talking to a couple friends who said it took them over a year(actively trying) to conceive all the other kids after their first and they now have 3. It seems #1 is easier for alot of people and the ones after prove to be more stubborn!

I am almost considering taking a break from all the ttc stuff alltogether and just bding when we want to and not because we have to. The only problem with that is...I feel like I would be missing something, like screwing everything up by possibly missing the perfect time. Ya know...maybe that was my month type of thing. I know it's crazy but I just think I will regret not completely knowing what is going on with my body since I am used to knowing. I guess I would just have to let go and try to not let it bother me. Hehe...easier said than done.
 
Elt I'm sorry it looks like AF is on its way,have you thought about seeing the doctor about the short LP? My doctors are ridiculous, they sent me a letter saying my progesterone was fine but that I wasn't in my LP, well I was in my LP which was the point of the test and therefore its not fine! I'm so glad I have the money to go privately because quite frankly my doctors are donkeys. To put it nicely! I want them to redo the 21 day tests this month but not sure if they will if they think the last results were fine!

IssacRalph - so annoying that ICs can be misleading. I've never had so much as an evap line from them! I think they are rubbish, I still have a few so I'm bound to use them at some point and get annoyed. At least you have the referral now. I'm hoping that I'll get my consultant appointment for progesterone supplements in Sept so I can have them for my next cycle. FX.

CD 14 here and no positive opk, CBFM still low. Watery CM and low temps still.....
 
Just got my consultant appointment for 3rd Sept! Hopefully means this is my last cycle with progesterone failure!
 
Elt I'm sorry it looks like AF is on its way,have you thought about seeing the doctor about the short LP? My doctors are ridiculous, they sent me a letter saying my progesterone was fine but that I wasn't in my LP, well I was in my LP which was the point of the test and therefore its not fine! I'm so glad I have the money to go privately because quite frankly my doctors are donkeys. To put it nicely! I want them to redo the 21 day tests this month but not sure if they will if they think the last results were fine!

IssacRalph - so annoying that ICs can be misleading. I've never had so much as an evap line from them! I think they are rubbish, I still have a few so I'm bound to use them at some point and get annoyed. At least you have the referral now. I'm hoping that I'll get my consultant appointment for progesterone supplements in Sept so I can have them for my next cycle. FX.

CD 14 here and no positive opk, CBFM still low. Watery CM and low temps still.....

It definately sounds like you need to find different doctors...it is really rediculous when you basically have to tell them how to do their job!

I again had a few lows, ton of highs, no peaks, then back to low today (CD25) this month on cbfm. I would think it would have adjusted to my hormones by now being cycle 4 using it. No positive opk either, but a definate temp shift that stayed up until today, so definate ov. I am also annoyed with IC opks, I only ever got the tiniest hint of a line around ov and have never had that problem with the Answer brand I have used other cycles. This was the first time I ever used ICs and really it was a waist of money, but atleast they were cheap!

I do not even have a regular doctor that I see (I usually just see whoever is available) because I am a generally healthy person and don't go to the doctor often, but yes, I have been thinking about finding one to see regularly and get to the bottom of this. My insurance covers my regular exams, but nothing fertility related, which makes it harder because all that stuff can get expensive. I will have to research more, but I believe it will cover labs which I would hope would include hormone work up. I will have to check on all of that.

I'm glad to hear you got your appointment and really soon too.
 
Elt- sounds like we'll be getting our AF's around the same time, hey we can be cycle buddies! Still have my fx'd the witch doesn't show up for you! Totally agree with the giving up tcc & seeing how things go but I also think what if my egg is perfect & the timing isn't right??

Han- made up that your going to be seen so soon that's fab & a consultant! I'll initially be seen my a fertility nurse as the clinic is nurse led & depending what my results are, I may see a consultant! Isn't mad how our gp's are so different?? I didn't even see my regular gp but I've never had a bad one to be fair! Very understanding & just listen, not too sure if it's cuz I talk the talk & all that?? Waiting for AF still, hopefully it will come tomoz then I can get cd 2 bloods at work on Fri & get results. Bit scared to be honest, few years ago they were average to good but not excellent!
 
Hi ladies! I'm back from vacation and it was wonderful! So nice to not think about ttc for a bit. But now it's back to the worrying and obsessing! Lol. I haven't had a chance to catch up posts yet as I've been playing catchup at work the past couple days but I will get reading tomorrow. Hope you're all well! I wanted to post quick though and get everyone's thoughts on my current situation. I started the Metformin on Monday. So far so good regarding side effects but yesterday I started spotting and today I had light-medium bleeding. But tonight it's back to spotting. Not sure if the Metformin could work that fast but from what I've researched it's effects are all over the place. Just depends on the person I guess. I'm wondering if I should label this as my period for charting purposes. What do you guys think? Typically my periods are 5-7 days with several very heavy days. I also get bad cramping and there was no cramping yesterday or today. So far I listed today simply as spotting but thinking I should label it has light and start a new cycle. Just worried to do that as it was so different than my typical periods. Ugh so confusing! But a least something is happening now! I had spotting twice before in this cycle but this was definitely more than spotting today.
 
Mamamac - lovely to have you back and so glad you had a good holiday and a break from all the ttc! I think if its a bit heavier now then you say its CD1. I'm not sure though. So do you have PCOS? You'll see when you read back that a week ago I had a scan whch showed multiple follicles on my ovaries so I *may* have PCOS too but I'm hoping not. I am waiting to speak to the nurse on Monday to see whether I need more tests. I seem to have regular AFs though so I'm hoping that I'm ovulating on my own.

IssacRalph - what was your results last time around? My LH and FSH were 4.3 and Oestradiol was 94. I think they are good from what I've googled but still need to speak to the nurse. What happened to you last time? Did you get given anything in the end?

CD 15 for me, had a temp drop this morning, it was weird actually because I got up at 4am (wish I hadn't but thought it was more like midnight!) for a loo stop, then took my temp as normal at 5.45am and it was 36.14 celcius which is really low, its normally pre ov around 36.40-36.50. So I took it 4 times and got the same reading or there abouts. Then a couple of hours later (I said goodbye to my hubby at 6am and then went back to sleep until 7.50am) and it was 36.60. So I have input a middle number of 36.35 because I know that the latter number is definitely too high but I don't see how the lower number can be right as thats really low! What would you do? Or shoudl I just use the lower number?
 
The temp dip may have been a pre ovulation dip as just took my opk and there is a line, not dark enough to be positive but hopefully it will be tomorrow. Although timing again is horrendous because we are at the inlaws this weekend. I will be able to BD tonight but probably not tomorrow. If we can send the PIL out on Sat for a bit then we should be able to BD on Sat but will have missed the most important day. Bit annoying!
 
The temp dip may have been a pre ovulation dip as just took my opk and there is a line, not dark enough to be positive but hopefully it will be tomorrow. Although timing again is horrendous because we are at the inlaws this weekend. I will be able to BD tonight but probably not tomorrow. If we can send the PIL out on Sat for a bit then we should be able to BD on Sat but will have missed the most important day. Bit annoying!

Hi han! Well if you are leading up to the big O, at least its earlier than last month! Fx'd for that +opk, what does your monitor say?? Re: fertility bloods can't quite remember the values of bloods tests I think maybe oestradiol was in the 80's and had a good ratio of lh & fsh, looked on line at the time & it was in the average/good range, best being excellent!
I had few rounds of clomid as my cycles were long at the time & had scans & hcg triggers but I got a luteal cyst which delayed period for about 4 weeks which put me off & the verynext natural cycle we got a bfp with ds! We didn't use any lube or anything just the old natural way! Only thing we did do both times we got bfp was to BD twice daily on around o day but can't do that now as once a day over several days is far than enough! They were thinking maybe we had a slight incompatibility with our bodily fluids & we were just going to start down the iui route! So I'm hoping that by seeing them sooner than later that if we haven't got bfp in a few months that option will still be available for us, but I wouldn't want meds unless I have too, don't mind having the triggering hcg shot! although it can cause you to have false hopes when doing hpts as it can stay in the system for some time.

Mamamac- nice to have you back hun, glad you had relaxing hols! Not sure really what yo make of your bleeding, I suppose it may not be normal as you haven't bled for so long?? If you haven't ovulated this cycle maybe your lining isn't very thick??
 
Han- what cd were you on when you had your bloods for fsh & lh at clinic??
 
When does the 2nd estrogen surge typically happen? I'm 4-6DPO according to FF and had cramy CM yesterday. Just wondering when the second surge would happen.
 
Thanks ladies :hugs:

Just got all caught up with the thread.

Hann - sorry about your neck but nice to hear things are happening with the doctors finally! I hope you don't have pcos. My results were unsure. I think I have it. I have all the classic symptoms and they all got much better on bc and now since I've come off the bc they've all gotten worse. However, doc told me my bloods all look great and don't indicate pcos but I have the cysts in both ovaries. I wonder if the bloods had an issue and were wrong. No biggie though as she still gave me the meds. For you, it's prob a good sign it's only one ovary which is prob why you do ovulate on your own. Prob all depends which side is working for you each month. Are there some months you haven't ov? Could be that you don't ov when it's that ovary doing the work but then you're fine when it's the other side. If that's the case clomid may be a really good choice to try as it can help multiple eggs release. There's a chance of multiples though on clomid and with metformin. That friend I have whose prego with the twins used clomid and metformin. She has pcos but is a rare case as she has zero symptoms besides simply not ovulating. Her cycle was normal and everything but she never ov and didn't know it. (side note - I saw her on our trip and she's looking so cute with her twin bump!! So exciting!) Anyway, I think it's good news one side looks fine. Fx for ya babe!

Happycpl - sorry about hubs test results :hugs: hang in there. You hear all the time how as soon as couples stop trying they get pregnant so maybe taking a break would be good. Also have you tried Preseed? It's supposed to help the :spermy: move along better to the egg so maybe that could help in your hubby's case? GL!!

Isaac - that's great youre getting into the docs and will hopefully get some answers! Fx!

Elt - fx that the b vits help your LP!

Anyone else still around? I saw Banana and Mello and Jessica and Sanchez posting back when I first left but doesn't seem like they've been around much more recently. Are you girls still here? How are you doing?

Afm - just light spotting this morning but now there's some more bleeding and actually feeling some light cramping so I. Gonna go ahead and call it a period :happydance: lol never thought I'd be so happy to see that :witch:!!! Such a relief to start a fresh cycle! I was almost to cd100!!!!! So dumb! Hopefully the light and weird period is just due to the fact I haven't ov. Though I expected a bad one after waiting so long. :shrugs: guess I'll see how this one turns out. Maybe the bleeding will be lit but last awhile. Who knows. The other good news is I'm doing great on the metformin. The first day it did a real number on my intestines and I thought it was going to be a nightmare but since that first dose Monday morning I've been totally fine. No low blood sugar symptoms and no typical metformin issues like nausea etc. hooray! I do still need to up the dose though. Doc said if I'm good for the first week to double the dose so that will start Monday. We'll see how that goes. Not sure if the metformin is responsible for my period starting or if it just happened or if it's the Vitex but whatever it is I'm glad :) FX I may actually ov this month!!!! Though I've read that while metformin got periods going, a lot of women then didn't ov for a few months. time will tell.

The other thing is my hubs and I have startedthe Dukan diet. It's a very hi protein/low carb diet. My cousins have been on it and are doing great and since laying off carbs and sugar is recommended for the metformin we thought it would be a good thing to try. So far I. Sick to death of protein and dying for cereal haha but eventually my body should adjust to not getting the carbs for fuel and start using my existing fat stores instead! Losing weight is one of the best ways to help pcos and infertility so hopefully this will help a lot!

:dust: all around!
 
All sounds great for you Mamamac! Yay to AF and toCD1! Very exciting! Also interesting what you said about your friend and pcos. How did she know she didn't ov? I assume that if I get a thermal shift I def ov? I did last month anyway do will see if I do this month. So you have cysts on both ovaries but not necessarily pcos?

IssacRalph - my tests were done cd1, she said they had to be taken cd 1-3. Why does it make a difference which day it was taken?

No positive opk yet but BD again tonight anyway as from tomorrow it's going to be tricky with us being at the inlaws.
 
Yeah according to my doc she's not totally positive it's pcos. Honestly though I am and i think she's just dumb lol I've never liked her much. Don't think she really gets things. I'm glad she's referring me to the fertility doc. Hopefully they will be more clear and informative!
 
When does the 2nd estrogen surge typically happen? I'm 4-6DPO according to FF and had cramy CM yesterday. Just wondering when the second surge would happen.

Funny you ask this, because I was just looking this up yesterday...it is about half way through LP (around 7dpo). The reason I had to look it up was because I was 10dpo yesterday and on my CBFM stick, the estrogen line was barely visible indicating high estrogen and I thought it was very odd at 10dpo. And it turns out it is unusual but I still haven't figured out what it means??? Why an estrogen surge right before AF...couldn't find the answer. Estrogen should be low before AF, but apparently mine is not.

Speaking of AF ladies...11dpo today (normal 9 day LP), it is 10:10pm and still no AF for me, so apparently the B vits are working wonderful for me!! Just hope it stays that way in future cycles. Also, temp was the same as yesterdays (below coverline), so I am 99% sure I am not pregnant and BFN today. I have had alot of twinges and sharp pains in LP this cycle tho which is unusual for me because I usually only get light cramps like literally minutes before AF. Definately an odd cycle, but I am thinking it must be something to do with B vits.
 
Elt that's amazing! I'm jealous lol b vits did nothing for mine!! Maybe you are preg though because it takes a while to appear on a hpt and 10/11dpo is still early. I have my FX for you - would give me so much hope if you are!!
 
I'm not sure I am ov'ing over next day or so as my cbfm is still saying low and the estrogen line is still dark. Maybe I'm gearing up to ov but not like I did last month. Maybe it will happen late again.....
 

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