Ah Dee, don't give up hope. I know what you mean about the symptoms during the TWW but I've also had months where I was getting new/different symptoms and still no BFP. And twice gotten BFPs with symptoms being more or less the same as BFN cycles. Progesterone causes the majority of pregnancy symptoms and you will have elevated levels of it during TWW whether you are pregnant or not (if your body is doing what it's supposed to do). In BFN cycles your progesterone level will start to decline anywhere from 9-12DPO (earlier if you have a short LP) and you will get symptoms of that (dropping temps and PMS usually). In a cycle you have conceived, the progesterone doesn't drop and will continue to increase (and with it will come the pregnancy symptoms). It stands to reason that for most women you shouldn't even really see new or different symptoms from the normal TWW until about 9DPO onwards. Of course, there will be some ladies who respond to the subtle changes more strongly than others, but it still comes down to the same thing - progesterone - and how we sense its changing levels. I don't know if it helps to know things like this but I always find facts help me get my head around things.