Vitamin B6 - Lengthen luteal phase or increase progesterone

[fallenangel78]

Just wanted to post to say that it looks like the vitb has worked for me Am currently on 13dpo and since coming off the pill I've been averaging at around 9dpo so huuuuge improvement for me. FF has a nice solid red line as well and I had a +opk which I didn't have last month.

Thanks to everyone who's contributing to this post - it really helped me

 

[~MrsF~]

Hiya Star bex was wondering where you were. Welcome back! 36.7 sounds like a good shift, so ov is likely but like Merry said you have to wait and see what your subsequent temps are. My temps were a bit all over the place last month around ov time, I don't know what was going on. Trying to temp better this month with ov coming up in the next day or so. With a 7 day luteal phase I need to know exactly when I ov'd!!

Hiya fallenangel78 glad things improved for you! Are you trying for your first? I was born in 78 and trying for first now.

 

[fallenangel78]

Hiya fallenangel78 glad things improved for you! Are you trying for your first? I was born in 78 and trying for first now.

Hi Yeah, 3rd month of ttc first so it's all a steep learning curve, lol. I've been so worried about the state of my cycles since coming off the pill but I'm just hoping things are going in the right direction.

How many months have you been trying?

 

[~MrsF~]

Hiya fallenangel78 glad things improved for you! Are you trying for your first? I was born in 78 and trying for first now.

Hi Yeah, 3rd month of ttc first so it's all a steep learning curve, lol. I've been so worried about the state of my cycles since coming off the pill but I'm just hoping things are going in the right direction.

How many months have you been trying?

Am now on my 4th cycle after BC, don't think I ov'd first cycle (although wasn't tracking anything so can't be sure), 2nd month I had a 6 day luteal phase with low temps, 3rd cycle had a 7 day luteal phase with earlier ov and bit better temps. I'm worried about my cycles as well. 7 day luteal phase is pathetic!! Taking maca as well as Vit Bs this month, hoping things get better, have to wait and see.

 

[fallenangel78]

All sounds familiar! Have also been taking agnus castus this cycle to try and help sort things out. Am hoping unless I now have the longest lp ever that my cycle length has dropped down as well.

Considering trying soy next cycle as well to bring ov forward, not 100% decided on that one yet...

I used a cbfm for this cycle to try and pinpoint ov (don't think I ov'd last month) but my stupid cycle was too long!?!?

Where did you get your macca from? I can't seem to find that much around.

 

[~MrsF~]

All sounds familiar! Have also been taking agnus castus this cycle to try and help sort things out. Am hoping unless I now have the longest lp ever that my cycle length has dropped down as well.

Considering trying soy next cycle as well to bring ov forward, not 100% decided on that one yet...

I used a cbfm for this cycle to try and pinpoint ov (don't think I ov'd last month) but my stupid cycle was too long!?!?

Where did you get your macca from? I can't seem to find that much around.

Luckily there is a health food/vitamins shop up the road from my work and they have maca there. You can get it on amazon though. I am thinking about trying soy as well! But I am unsure about it, maybe its too soon and I should let my cycle settle down? Think I will see how I got this month and if no improvement try the soy.

Your LP is looking good this month! You going to test soon?

 

[678star-bex]

thanks for the welcome back everyone i have missed u all and i am so happy to be back online. Thanks for the advice merry and mrs F. I will keep u all posted.

been stressing a little lately & got sent home from work for feeling ill. prob coz i haven't had an out let to express my anxieties. talked to DH but so nice to share with u all.

going docs later to say about my 9 day lp so lets see what he says about that. i heard some docs do not believe in a LPD.

 

[lisaf]

Yeah, some don't believe in LPD at all. Strangely, they tend to trust OPKs more than BBT charting ... maybe because they don't trust us to do it right?
So if you do OPKs and can show him when you get that positive etc, he might be more willing to believe you.

If he's very dismissive, try to persuade him to let you get your blood progsesterone checked 7 days after ovulation (or if your LP is too short, 1 day won't matter). Most LPDs seem to come from progesterone not ever getting high enough, so a blood test should show 'borderline' progesterone levels.

Or just see if you can get referred to a specialist! Not sure how that works on the NHS..

 

[678star-bex]

Thanks lisaf, i had cd21 bloods done last november after a yr of no BFPs. so at least now i can say its been another year of nothing but they say my levels r fine.

i will ask for another blood test & thanks for the advice i will take my calendar along & since its been nearly 2 yrs we will be talking referal. on the plus side the b vits have had such a positive affect already with longer bleed & luteal phase.

how is everyone today? have i missed anything?

 

[notquitesure]

can anyone shed any light...

I'm 37 and ttc now for 12 cycles when I take Vit B complex I spot MORE than when I dont

last cycle I spotted for 5 days (10dpo - 14dpo) then had a light AF/spotting for 4 days (tmi but prob not much left there after all the spotting !!!)

so, I'm now either 12dpo or 14dpo this cycle and I'm on my 3rd day of spotting again which, today is more like a very light AF

what can I take to improve this ???

my temps stay above the coverline and my bbs still hurt (effects of progesterone so I believe) so what could be causing the spotting if my progesterone level is OK ? am I pre-menopausal ???

THANKS

 

[fallenangel78]

Luckily there is a health food/vitamins shop up the road from my work and they have maca there. You can get it on amazon though. I am thinking about trying soy as well! But I am unsure about it, maybe its too soon and I should let my cycle settle down? Think I will see how I got this month and if no improvement try the soy.

Your LP is looking good this month! You going to test soon?

That's handy, the only place I've seen that sells it is Holland and Barrett and it's with horny goat week, in the men's 'specialist' area and the box is empty so they have to get the contents, lol! I'm ashamed to admit I bottled it, hee, hee!!

I am about 80% sure I'm going to try soy next cycle, I've tried everything else and if it doesn't work then I'll go back to my agnus castus.

I've been off the pill since about February but was going to wait until after our wedding in May but decided to try and get things back to normal before then so we could try sooner rather than later. When did you guys get married? Your dress looks gorgeous.

Hmmmm, am trying to hold off on testing after my temp took a dip 2 days ago which makes me think I'm out. Just happy I'm in double figures, lol!

 

[Wildflower]

Reading this and other online info about B6 and vitamin B complexes makes me want to try this. I'm heading to the pharmacy this afternoon to pick something up! I'm in the middle of my cycle right now, but anything that might help my pre-AF spotting would be fantastic.

Great tip!

 

[lisaf]

fallen angel - wish you would test!!! Lol, I'm an addict and could never wait to test personally. And I'm proof that even a dip that looks bad may mean NOTHING
so go ahead and test and put me out of my misery!! This thread has been so lucky lately, you never know!!!

 

[678star-bex]

Good luck wildflower. hello fallen angel i found a difference after once cycle taking the b vits so good luck with the testing. trust lisaf - she had a dip and was upset then pow BFP! right lisaf?!

anyway i am back from docs with news. no he didnt think a 9 day LP "would make any difference as there is clearly something else wrong with why your not pregnant yet". so i kept the fact that im on b vits to myself. guess what? i have been referred. he said i may get put on clomid & get 21 day bloods. why would i be put on clomid if i ov regularly?

how is everyone?

 

[fallenangel78]

fallen angel - wish you would test!!! Lol, I'm an addict and could never wait to test personally. And I'm proof that even a dip that looks bad may mean NOTHING
so go ahead and test and put me out of my misery!! This thread has been so lucky lately, you never know!!!

Lol!! You've made me chuckle! Your chart looks fab and your dip looks like an implantation dip. Mine has a dip earlier that could be that but not the one a couple of days ago as much as I'd like to think positive.

I'll do you all a deal (because hubby has been nagging too), if af hasn't arrived by Saturday I'll do a test

 

[fallenangel78]

Good luck wildflower. hello fallen angel i found a difference after once cycle taking the b vits so good luck with the testing. trust lisaf - she had a dip and was upset then pow BFP! right lisaf?!

anyway i am back from docs with news. no he didnt think a 9 day LP "would make any difference as there is clearly something else wrong with why your not pregnant yet". so i kept the fact that im on b vits to myself. guess what? i have been referred. he said i may get put on clomid & get 21 day bloods. why would i be put on clomid if i ov regularly?

how is everyone?

Hey Gotta love doc's! That does sound strange, surely if you go along with it and have the blood test which proves you're ov'ing then they'll have to give you another option?

There's always hope, my best friend was trying for 18 months and was convinced there was something major wrong and her doc's were worse than useless - she went for her 12 week scan yesterday

Hang in there, have faith because it's about all we can do

 

[~robin~]

Good luck wildflower. hello fallen angel i found a difference after once cycle taking the b vits so good luck with the testing. trust lisaf - she had a dip and was upset then pow BFP! right lisaf?!

anyway i am back from docs with news. no he didnt think a 9 day LP "would make any difference as there is clearly something else wrong with why your not pregnant yet". so i kept the fact that im on b vits to myself. guess what? i have been referred. he said i may get put on clomid & get 21 day bloods. why would i be put on clomid if i ov regularly?

how is everyone?

Because clomid is the "miracle" drug for almost all doctors. Seriously, they will put ANYONE on it. Obviously, some women need it due to annovulatory cycles. One woman I was talking to was put on clomid when she was ov on her own and it messed her entire cycle up, so be careful! Personally, I would try progesterone cream first.

Nothing going on here....CD5 and just waiting patiently. AF actually lasted 4 days this month! Usually it's 2 days of spotting, 2-3 days of flow and then another 2 days of spotting. This cycle was still the 2 days of spotting but I had just started the B vits a few days prior. But then 4 days of decent AF!!! I have a little bit of spotting today but it seems that it should be gone by tomorrow, wohooo! Starting BD on CD8 and OPK's on CD11!

 

[678star-bex]

Thank u fallen angel. i will have my bloods done (again) to confirm im ov'ing & he suggested lap/dye to check nothing is blocked. ivf an option to put the where they should be. hopefully i will get my bfp b4 then. fx

so u r going to test sat? oooooooh good luck

 

[678star-bex]

Thanks robin. it does seem that way. i know i am ov'ing so dont want to take something that makes me ov - but he was the doc not the specialist so i will see what the fs says. i dont want to mess up my cycle just got in on track with these vits. by the way robin, my period was 2 days and now up to 6 days after taking b vits so i think they r helping build up my lining. maybe progesrone (sp) cream is good too.

fallen angel i share ur philosophy that hope is all we have some times. try to keep the faith ppl. it will happen, some day, some how. it will . come on all the BFPs!! this is a lucky thread with wonderful advice & ppl.

 

[lisaf]

I think its a good idea to talk to the specialist first... but I should tell you that I was O'ing on my own for at least 2 cycles (had an anovulatory one, then 4 rounds of clomid, then 2 natural cycles).
Clomid is often given to women just to see if it works, but my FS told me that it is the first thing they try if you have low progesterone or an LPD even if you ovulate on your own. This is because the progesterone after O depends on the corpus luteum... which is the follicle once the egg is released. Clomid can give you bigger follicles (and sometimes more than one) which can boost your progesterone after ovulation.

So while it seems strange to give someone clomid who already ovulates, and yes, sometimes its given to women with nothing seemingly wrong with their cycles, it can actually correct an LPD and help with progesterone deficiency.

I did ask my FS why not just use progesterone after ovulation and he talked about how progesterone used while the egg is traveling down can inhibit the contractions of the fallopian tubes, making an ectopic more likely. And that the lining needs to be ready for the egg when it enters the uterus, so its really best to get it nice and high in the first place than to try and save a falling progesterone level afterwards.

Sorry for the long post, lol... just wanted to share my knowledge/expertise. I've seen dozens of girls take clomid who ovulate on their own (on BnB) and none of them got messed up cycles as a result of the clomid must be rare?