I think it's a lot to expect 3 year olds to be completely independent going to the toilet. DS even using a step cant reach the tap and he needs help to flush and wipe.
But given in the days before disposable nappies and automatic washing machines most babies were trained by 18 mths. I personally see no reason for 3 year olds (excluding children with other problems) to still be in nappies. I forced DS out of nappies at 2&4 mths garden gates were fitted, sunny weekend was forcasted we stayed in the garden all weekend (wet grass is less stressful than wet carpets) and DS couldn't wander off.
It was a guru who was being paid for by pampers who suggested waiting for children to show signs of readiness, what did that do for nappy sales?
I agree to a certain extent but the reason that most were trained so soon was it was not only awkward for parent but uncomfortable for the child.
I disagree with no reason for 3 year olds by your own admission your forced DS out of nappies. That does not work for all parents or children. I personally believe in a more child led approach and for DD that meant she was fully potty trained just before 3. It was not training though just a complete readiness on her part to do so. Before would have broken someone.
Our preschool do not change nappies rather than needing complete potty training. DD started just as she was trained.
I agree with this. Yes, diaper companies have made it easier for parents to wait longer to train their children. Is that some horrible thing though? NO. The main reason children were pushed to train so young in older times was that diaper quality was awful in the past, leading to horrible rashes, etc, so it was to their benefit to get trained ASAP. Disposable and cloth diapers were awful. I've heard plenty of stories of how crappy diapers used to be. My cousin had a baby last year, and was so anti-Pampers and Luvs because of how awful she had broken out as a baby in them. But they are completely different diapers now, after all these years. She ended up trying them, as multiple bought them for her for baby shower gifts, and now loves them. They absorb well now, they have many years of testing since then to improve the overall diaper.
Obviously this is something with vastly differing opinions by some, but to me, I just don't see why it has to be something a child is forced into. Potty training DS1 has changed my opinion, as it was just such a nightmare with him trying to make him get trained. I think I was too influenced by everyone's opinions that he should be trained already, and the whole thing was just awful. He ended up getting trained when he was finally ready. In hindsight, I just can't believe how much effort was put into it when we could have just waited a bit longer for HIM to actually be ready to do it. Once he was ready, he just did it, and was trained in a few days. It could have been that simple, and we could have avoided all the bribery, forcing him to try to go all the time, etc when he wasn't ready for it yet. I'm being much more relaxed with DS2 in introducing it. He'll do it when he is ready to. It's just not worth the huge battle over something that a few months, or age 2 vs age 3 really makes some huge difference in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't.