What If There Was No Formula?

[Ourlittlebump]

I have the same amount of respect for BFers as I do FFers as I do those who exclusively pump, I felt that way before I was pregnant, during pregnancy and after having my daughter.

What I don't respect is the close-minded people who judge mothers for whichever feeding methods they choose. I dislike people who think BFers are wrong as much as I dislike people who think ladies who don't even try to BF are wrong.

Formula cannot be 'abused'. It's not illegal to decide to FF. I believe every woman should give BF a go but I have no problem if they choose not to because it's their decision and thank goodness they are at least feeding their babies.

I was thinking about would I let another woman nurse my daughter. Tbh I don't think I would. I would happily accept donor milk that had been screened and I am angry with my hospital that they didn't offer it to me.

Formula was created as a medicine supplement for babies who had milk allergies etc. therefore it can be abused.
I dont have much respect for those who don't BF out of choice as I think it's selfish not to want to give your child the best start...in every way!

 

[midori1999]

What is the upside of getting rid of formula, I really believe its lack of bf knowledge down the generations that has damaged bf rates

I think it's right that formula exists and I would never say it shouldn't, but that doesn't change the fact that there would be upsides if it didn't exist. You are right that the lack of knowledge about BF has an effect on BF rates and this is largely down to formula being introduced.

Yes but if there was no formula babies would die, if they cant latch or there is no milk for them by other means

That is true, but currently around 4,000 babies die every day in the developing world because formula does exist and because of the marketing tactics used by the companies that make it.

The older generation cannot teach us how to bf or help anymore thats the problem
My mother struggled to bf me and lasted 6 weeks and my MIL didnt try

I agree with this and a lot of women of your/our Mothers' generation didn't manage to succesfully breastfeed and a lot of that is down to formula companies. In the 70's they heavily marketed in post natal wards and gave out free samples to Mothers who were trying to get breastfeeding established. Mothers who wanted to breastfeed. It was marketed as practically some wonder product that would enable women to have independance and share the feeding of their babies, be a 'modern woman' and not be tied to their child. It was not mentioned to them that supplementing with formula would damage their ability to breastfeed or their milk supply and as a result an awful lot of women of this generation thought they couldn't produce enough milk or that their milk 'just dried up' and this has affected subsequent generations too as often whole families of women think they just can't produce enough milk. Sadly, this isn't the most unscrupulous thing formula companies have ever done.

Formula was invented as a prescription 'medicine/supplement' for exactly this! I think it's been used as a money making scheme ever since.

Just to correct this slightly. Formula as we know it now was invented as their was a huge oversupply of cows milk that no one knew what to do with and someone worked out how to make money from it. No good for babies with allergies as the majority of formula (certainly when it first became available in it's present form) is made from cows milk.

 

[midori1999]

I have the same amount of respect for BFers as I do FFers as I do those who exclusively pump, I felt that way before I was pregnant, during pregnancy and after having my daughter.

What I don't respect is the close-minded people who judge mothers for whichever feeding methods they choose. I dislike people who think BFers are wrong as much as I dislike people who think ladies who don't even try to BF are wrong.

Formula cannot be 'abused'. It's not illegal to decide to FF. I believe every woman should give BF a go but I have no problem if they choose not to because it's their decision and thank goodness they are at least feeding their babies.

I was thinking about would I let another woman nurse my daughter. Tbh I don't think I would. I would happily accept donor milk that had been screened and I am angry with my hospital that they didn't offer it to me.

Formula was created as a medicine supplement for babies who had milk allergies etc. therefore it can be abused.
I dont have much respect for those who don't BF out of choice as I think it's selfish not to want to give your child the best start...in every way!

I think this is quite a narrow minded view tbh. Who is anyone else to say what another woman should do?

What if I say 'well, I had mastitis 11 times, so I don't have much respect for women who stop BF because of mastitis' or 'well, I had cracked bleeding nipples for weeks, so I don't have much respect for women who stop because they are in pain' or 'I require breast surgery and am potentially risking my health to continue breastfeeding, so I don't care what excuse women have for not BF or stopping BF, I don't buy it and I don't respect them' or 'pah, I have no respect for women who stop BF at one year, they are selfish for not giving their baby the best start in life'?

It's fine for me to have those views for myself and my own child, but it isn't for me to say what someone else should or shouldn't do and I won't lose respect for them because of how, why or how long they choose to feed their baby. Almost all Mothers want what is best for their child and most are simply doing the best they can. Why should I lose respect for them because of that?

 

[Ourlittlebump]

I dont see how a mum can choose to give their baby formula without even trying Breastfeeding first though?
Everyone knows its best and has numerous benefits for both child and mother...if you want the best for your baby then why wouldn't you at least try to provide them with all these benefits?

I appear to be the only breastfeeder here.
It's funny how people are allowed to put people for for doing something as simple as feeding in public yet as soon as someone says anything negative about formula it's the end of the world.

Another point I've been thinking about...what would all the formula feeding mums do in the case of a major natural disaster?
I think Breastfeeding is safer all around. Less sickness, better immunity and a source of nutrition no matter what.
I'm also a big 'Eco warrior' and prefer Breastfeeding as it doesn't require fuel burning factories and transit to reach us.

As I have said before I feel like I'm been made out to be the bad one here but to be honest that doesn't really bother me anymore. All I ever see on bnb is Breastfeeding mums made out this way by others. Jealousy is a nasty thing...I'm SO proud to BF my daughter and feel very strongly about spreading the word. Breastfeeding is a dying talent and it scares me that my daughter will grow up in a world where it is becoming more and more rare

 

[summer rain]

Midori IS a BFer, as am I but just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are anti-BF. Also for myself I am unable to pump very much at all, even though I have an oversupply problem, so had any of my babies been unable to latch longer term I would not have been able to give them my milk in any large quantity. I would be happy to accept donor milk, even under a private sharing scheme but would use formula if a suitable donor wasn't available. I did have to switch to formula for medical reasons and it has made me a lot more open minded. I have quite a few friends who had to FF from the outset because of various personal reasons, some medical, some pyschological and some people assume they chose it as a lifestyle choice, they did not xx

 

[Missy86]

I think most people on bnb know I am a failed bf, lasted a week with Rhys
I am planning on having another go with Liam but I am not gonna put any pressure on myself
How people fed their babies doesnt bother me

 

[Ourlittlebump]

I wouldn't say it particularly bothers me either. I think this kind of discussion gets things riled up and people saybthings theybshouldnt and frustration ets in the way. Its very easy to mis-interpret people on here so from now on in staying out of this one.
I've given my opinion and you've all given yours and that's all we can do...were not going to agree so we should agree to disagree and that should be the end of it.
If I offended anyone in sorry, I meant no harm. I'm just feel very strongly about this topic...perhaps too much so.
Hugs to all...and no hard feelings.

 

[TigerLady]

...and a lot of women of your/our Mothers' generation didn't manage to succesfully breastfeed and a lot of that is down to formula companies. In the 70's they heavily marketed in post natal wards and gave out free samples to Mothers who were trying to get breastfeeding established. Mothers who wanted to breastfeed.

This remains very true in the U.S. It happened to me. More than once. I'm still a bit bitter over how a head nurse treated me when I refused to give formula to my DS. And I was still given free tubs of powdered formula, free bottles of ready-made, and loads of coupons and FF supplies when I had my DD -- despite the fact it was abundantly CLEAR I was EBFing my DD AND still nursing my DS who was 13 months old.


I have to admit, even though I'm not exactly proud of it, I can't shake being a bit judgmental of women who don't even attempt to BF when they are capable of it. For example, I have two co-workers who had babies at about the same time I did.

One has PCOS, she pumped and tried supplements and prescriptions and fought and fought and fought. She fought to BF for 2 months. In the end, an endocronologist told her to stop trying as she was not capable of producing enough quality milk. She was heartbroken. Her DD was FF. I have a great deal of sympathy for her. I even pumped 5 oz of extra milk per day to give her for her DD (even while pg) to help give her an immunity boost.

My other co-worker is ridiculousy body-image centered. She fully admitted she didn't BF her first child because she was young. (What does that even mean and how is that a reason? She was 20.) And her second (born around the time of my DS) she didn't even try because she simply didn't want to. She was 26 by then. She didn't want to bother with BF. And she had breast augmentation done not long after her DD was born. Yes, I judge her for that. I honestly do. I feel bad for her kids. I don't dislike her for it and I am certainly friendly with her. But I absolutely believe she represents why BF rates are so low and why so many kids aren't allowed the benefits of BF. More women like her exist than can be counted. And THAT is what needs changed.

There is nothing that needs changed about the woman who tries and can't. Or who had breast cancer and can't even try -- or whatever reason such as that. Nothing needs changed about the woman who is so psychologically damaged by abuse that she can't have her breasts touched by anyone, not even her baby.

However, there are things that need changed about the woman who simply can't be bothered to go through the tough parts of BF -- of being attached to a baby, of loosing sleep, of not being able to dump the baby at Gramdma's house for 8 hours at only 2 weeks old, etc. And those circumstances DO exist. Sadly.

 

[Quackquack99]

I dont see how a mum can choose to give their baby formula without even trying Breastfeeding first though?
Everyone knows its best and has numerous benefits for both child and mother...if you want the best for your baby then why wouldn't you at least try to provide them with all these benefits?

I appear to be the only breastfeeder here.
It's funny how people are allowed to put people for for doing something as simple as feeding in public yet as soon as someone says anything negative about formula it's the end of the world.

Another point I've been thinking about...what would all the formula feeding mums do in the case of a major natural disaster?
I think Breastfeeding is safer all around. Less sickness, better immunity and a source of nutrition no matter what.
I'm also a big 'Eco warrior' and prefer Breastfeeding as it doesn't require fuel burning factories and transit to reach us.

As I have said before I feel like I'm been made out to be the bad one here but to be honest that doesn't really bother me anymore. All I ever see on bnb is Breastfeeding mums made out this way by others. Jealousy is a nasty thing...I'm SO proud to BF my daughter and feel very strongly about spreading the word. Breastfeeding is a dying talent and it scares me that my daughter will grow up in a world where it is becoming more and more rare

Well as you said, you can't understand how anyone does not give bf a go. Well if you have never been in that position you will never will understand.
And tbh I don't care if people don't have respect for me because I didn't give it a go. All that matters is that the people I'm close to respect me for a great mum.

 

[midori1999]

...and a lot of women of your/our Mothers' generation didn't manage to succesfully breastfeed and a lot of that is down to formula companies. In the 70's they heavily marketed in post natal wards and gave out free samples to Mothers who were trying to get breastfeeding established. Mothers who wanted to breastfeed.

This remains very true in the U.S. It happened to me. More than once. I'm still a bit bitter over how a head nurse treated me when I refused to give formula to my DS. And I was still given free tubs of powdered formula, free bottles of ready-made, and loads of coupons and FF supplies when I had my DD -- despite the fact it was abundantly CLEAR I was EBFing my DD AND still nursing my DS who was 13 months old.


I have to admit, even though I'm not exactly proud of it, I can't shake being a bit judgmental of women who don't even attempt to BF when they are capable of it. For example, I have two co-workers who had babies at about the same time I did.

One has PCOS, she pumped and tried supplements and prescriptions and fought and fought and fought. She fought to BF for 2 months. In the end, an endocronologist told her to stop trying as she was not capable of producing enough quality milk. She was heartbroken. Her DD was FF. I have a great deal of sympathy for her. I even pumped 5 oz of extra milk per day to give her for her DD (even while pg) to help give her an immunity boost.

My other co-worker is ridiculousy body-image centered. She fully admitted she didn't BF her first child because she was young. (What does that even mean and how is that a reason? She was 20.) And her second (born around the time of my DS) she didn't even try because she simply didn't want to. She was 26 by then. She didn't want to bother with BF. And she had breast augmentation done not long after her DD was born. Yes, I judge her for that. I honestly do. I feel bad for her kids. I don't dislike her for it and I am certainly friendly with her. But I absolutely believe she represents why BF rates are so low and why so many kids aren't allowed the benefits of BF. More women like her exist than can be counted. And THAT is what needs changed.

There is nothing that needs changed about the woman who tries and can't. Or who had breast cancer and can't even try -- or whatever reason such as that. Nothing needs changed about the woman who is so psychologically damaged by abuse that she can't have her breasts touched by anyone, not even her baby.

However, there are things that need changed about the woman who simply can't be bothered to go through the tough parts of BF -- of being attached to a baby, of loosing sleep, of not being able to dump the baby at Gramdma's house for 8 hours at only 2 weeks old, etc. And those circumstances DO exist. Sadly.

It's very sad that this is still happening in the world. I was recently reading about how formula companies in the USA had paid for the design of post natal wards and had actually designed them in a way as to make breastfeeding as difficult as possible regarding the locations of nurses stations, nurseries, beds etc.

Re: the bolded bit. I don't think there is anything that needs to be changed about those women actually. I think it is society that needs to change. Our overall views of parenting and motherhood and how as a society we are very selfish as a whole. It's our whole culture and attitude that needs to change IMO.

I think this may be one of the reasons older women are more likely to breastfeed. They are generally (not always!) more secure in themselves and more self assured in general and are quite often 'over' caring what they look like to the extent a younger woman may do.

 

[Ourlittlebump]

I dont see how a mum can choose to give their baby formula without even trying Breastfeeding first though?
Everyone knows its best and has numerous benefits for both child and mother...if you want the best for your baby then why wouldn't you at least try to provide them with all these benefits?

I appear to be the only breastfeeder here.
It's funny how people are allowed to put people for for doing something as simple as feeding in public yet as soon as someone says anything negative about formula it's the end of the world.

Another point I've been thinking about...what would all the formula feeding mums do in the case of a major natural disaster?
I think Breastfeeding is safer all around. Less sickness, better immunity and a source of nutrition no matter what.
I'm also a big 'Eco warrior' and prefer Breastfeeding as it doesn't require fuel burning factories and transit to reach us.

As I have said before I feel like I'm been made out to be the bad one here but to be honest that doesn't really bother me anymore. All I ever see on bnb is Breastfeeding mums made out this way by others. Jealousy is a nasty thing...I'm SO proud to BF my daughter and feel very strongly about spreading the word. Breastfeeding is a dying talent and it scares me that my daughter will grow up in a world where it is becoming more and more rare

Well as you said, you can't understand how anyone does not give bf a go. Well if you have never been in that position you will never will understand.
And tbh I don't care if people don't have respect for me because I didn't give it a go. All that matters is that the people I'm close to respect me for a great mum.

I'm sorry I dint understand what you're getting at. I haven't been in that position? I am a mother so I have been in the position to choose.
What are your reasons for not attempting to BF just out of interest? No one ever seems to give any.

 

[indy and lara]

I dont see how a mum can choose to give their baby formula without even trying Breastfeeding first though?
Everyone knows its best and has numerous benefits for both child and mother...if you want the best for your baby then why wouldn't you at least try to provide them with all these benefits?

I appear to be the only breastfeeder here.
It's funny how people are allowed to put people for for doing something as simple as feeding in public yet as soon as someone says anything negative about formula it's the end of the world.

Another point I've been thinking about...what would all the formula feeding mums do in the case of a major natural disaster?
I think Breastfeeding is safer all around. Less sickness, better immunity and a source of nutrition no matter what.
I'm also a big 'Eco warrior' and prefer Breastfeeding as it doesn't require fuel burning factories and transit to reach us.

As I have said before I feel like I'm been made out to be the bad one here but to be honest that doesn't really bother me anymore. All I ever see on bnb is Breastfeeding mums made out this way by others. Jealousy is a nasty thing...I'm SO proud to BF my daughter and feel very strongly about spreading the word. Breastfeeding is a dying talent and it scares me that my daughter will grow up in a world where it is becoming more and more rare

Far from it. Many BFers have posted on this thread. Personally I EBF for 14 months. Just because you BF doesn't mean that you see this as the only way to feed your child. Nor does it mean that you always think it is 'your way or the highway'. I could never endorse a situation where women do not have the right to choose whether to BF or not.

 

[Ourlittlebump]

I dont see how a mum can choose to give their baby formula without even trying Breastfeeding first though?
Everyone knows its best and has numerous benefits for both child and mother...if you want the best for your baby then why wouldn't you at least try to provide them with all these benefits?

I appear to be the only breastfeeder here.
It's funny how people are allowed to put people for for doing something as simple as feeding in public yet as soon as someone says anything negative about formula it's the end of the world.

Another point I've been thinking about...what would all the formula feeding mums do in the case of a major natural disaster?
I think Breastfeeding is safer all around. Less sickness, better immunity and a source of nutrition no matter what.
I'm also a big 'Eco warrior' and prefer Breastfeeding as it doesn't require fuel burning factories and transit to reach us.

As I have said before I feel like I'm been made out to be the bad one here but to be honest that doesn't really bother me anymore. All I ever see on bnb is Breastfeeding mums made out this way by others. Jealousy is a nasty thing...I'm SO proud to BF my daughter and feel very strongly about spreading the word. Breastfeeding is a dying talent and it scares me that my daughter will grow up in a world where it is becoming more and more rare

Far from it. Many BFers have posted on this thread. Personally I EBF for 14 months. Just because you BF doesn't mean that you see this as the only way to feed your child. Nor does it mean that you always think it is 'your way or the highway'. I could never endorse a situation where women do not have the right to choose whether to BF or not.

Atbwhat point did I say my way or the highway or even imply that? I've said that formula is needed and that many women do try and fail and that sad.
God forbid I give my opinion. I don't like formula and I'm entitlednto my opinion justbas everyone else is.

 

[Missy86]

Can someone explain the PCOS and bf thing to me, I know I only bf for a week but I had no problem with supply and I have PCOS

 

[Ourlittlebump]

Can someone explain the PCOS and bf thing to me, I know I only bf for a week but I had no problem with supply and I have PCOS

I'm curious about this too. Perhaps its a hormonal thing?

 

[vintage67]

With my first son, I pumped until my aereolas peeled. I thought I had Paget's Disease, a form of breast cancer. This was all around the time I was contemplating suicide. My story is on page 3 of the Loss of Breastfeeding thread in the formula section.

And yes, one of the websites I unfortunately sought "help" on during trying to breastfeed, had a similar "what if there were no formula" thread, and many of the women there agreed with the survival of the fittest theory and had no problem with babies dying. Or with women dying in childbirth for that matter as they were that anti-c-section.

Being older than most all of you, my mother was born in 1936 in rural Kentucky, the last of 6 children born to a 42 year old mother. I have talked to ladies of my mother's time and yes, there were women who did not produce a lot of milk. Dancing teddy bears on formula cans didn't exist. I don't even think the devil himself had founded the Nestle corportation back then. The wet nurse thing is laughable in a rural farming community. Babies who were poor latchers and women who were low producers often started their babies on cow or goat's milk and also started solids such as porridge or gruel quite early. Some of those babies were my mother's older brothers and sisters who lived into their 80's and 90's.

I have sympathy for someone who feels embarassed or ridiculed for nursing a baby in public. But as I have said before, I would rather breastfeed a baby in public and be thought of as a hippie or a flasher, then have to get out a baby bottle and be thought of as lazy, uneducated, uninformed, brainwashed by advertising and my poor baby to be pitied for a future of eczemea, allergies, asthma, low IQ, obesity, digestive issues and cancer.

Why do you want women stigmatized? Oh, wait, someone will now bat their eyelashes and say, "I don't want the women stigmatized, just the formula!!!"
Oh, okay, you just want what we feed our babies everyday stigmatized!!! No one will ever make the connection to stigmatize us mothers for purchasing it or feeding it. We'll just be seen as ignorant, lazy and brainwashed. I know when I was near suicide after pumping round the clock, oatmeal, water, blessed thistle, fenugreek, nipple shields, 3 lactation consultants, skin to skin and creative visualization, that formula commercial on television really had me fall to my knees and bless Jesus. SARCASM!!!!

 

[vintage67]

I have PCOS and diabetes. Of course there are women who have PCOS and diabetes and successfully breastfeed. Doesn't discount all the people affected.



https://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/article-pcos.aspx

 

[indy and lara]

I dont see how a mum can choose to give their baby formula without even trying Breastfeeding first though?
Everyone knows its best and has numerous benefits for both child and mother...if you want the best for your baby then why wouldn't you at least try to provide them with all these benefits?

I appear to be the only breastfeeder here.
It's funny how people are allowed to put people for for doing something as simple as feeding in public yet as soon as someone says anything negative about formula it's the end of the world.

Another point I've been thinking about...what would all the formula feeding mums do in the case of a major natural disaster?
I think Breastfeeding is safer all around. Less sickness, better immunity and a source of nutrition no matter what.
I'm also a big 'Eco warrior' and prefer Breastfeeding as it doesn't require fuel burning factories and transit to reach us.

As I have said before I feel like I'm been made out to be the bad one here but to be honest that doesn't really bother me anymore. All I ever see on bnb is Breastfeeding mums made out this way by others. Jealousy is a nasty thing...I'm SO proud to BF my daughter and feel very strongly about spreading the word. Breastfeeding is a dying talent and it scares me that my daughter will grow up in a world where it is becoming more and more rare

Far from it. Many BFers have posted on this thread. Personally I EBF for 14 months. Just because you BF doesn't mean that you see this as the only way to feed your child. Nor does it mean that you always think it is 'your way or the highway'. I could never endorse a situation where women do not have the right to choose whether to BF or not.

Atbwhat point did I say my way or the highway or even imply that? I've said that formula is needed and that many women do try and fail and that sad.
God forbid I give my opinion. I don't like formula and I'm entitlednto my opinion justbas everyone else is.

Oh for goodness sake. And THIS is why I just rarely bother with all of this anymore.

You said appear to be the only BFer here and I was answering that you were not. I was saying that there are lots of others who BF who have posted here but do not agree that FF is awful/ should be banned/ insert any other the other things that have been said throughout the thread. If I was saying YOU said your way or the highway then I would have used your name. I quoted you in response to your only BFer remark.

There has been a lot of FF is awful and everyone should BF/ only get formula if 'deserving'/ have to get formula on prescription and so on- a lot of which is designed to be humiliating and to somehow 'shame' people into BFing. This is not my approach. I think BFing is great but it isn't for everyone. Pumping is not the greatest solution either. I BF very successfully for 14 months but while I was able to pump enough to have a wee frozen supply I was never very successful at pumping. I made MY choice and it was right for me but it would not be the right thing for everyone.

If we are going down a road where FF is only on prescription and women do not have the right to choose then there are an awful lot of other choices people make which are not the best or safest. Do we outlaw those too?

 

[midori1999]

I dont see how a mum can choose to give their baby formula without even trying Breastfeeding first though?
Everyone knows its best and has numerous benefits for both child and mother...if you want the best for your baby then why wouldn't you at least try to provide them with all these benefits?

I appear to be the only breastfeeder here.
It's funny how people are allowed to put people for for doing something as simple as feeding in public yet as soon as someone says anything negative about formula it's the end of the world.

Another point I've been thinking about...what would all the formula feeding mums do in the case of a major natural disaster?
I think Breastfeeding is safer all around. Less sickness, better immunity and a source of nutrition no matter what.
I'm also a big 'Eco warrior' and prefer Breastfeeding as it doesn't require fuel burning factories and transit to reach us.

As I have said before I feel like I'm been made out to be the bad one here but to be honest that doesn't really bother me anymore. All I ever see on bnb is Breastfeeding mums made out this way by others. Jealousy is a nasty thing...I'm SO proud to BF my daughter and feel very strongly about spreading the word. Breastfeeding is a dying talent and it scares me that my daughter will grow up in a world where it is becoming more and more rare

Well as you said, you can't understand how anyone does not give bf a go. Well if you have never been in that position you will never will understand.
And tbh I don't care if people don't have respect for me because I didn't give it a go. All that matters is that the people I'm close to respect me for a great mum.

I'm sorry I dint understand what you're getting at. I haven't been in that position? I am a mother so I have been in the position to choose.
What are your reasons for not attempting to BF just out of interest? No one ever seems to give any.

As summer rain has said. I breastfeed my daughter. I am also a peer supporter and that is something that requires me to help women without judging them.

For me personally, BF seems like the 'default' setting. What you automatically do, then expressing, donor milk or formula if that's not possible and in that order. I did FF my first three children from a young age, not because I wanted to, but lack of information and support. I would never personally choose to FF my baby from day 1, but that is my choice for me in my circumstances and although I would prefer to see all women BF, it's just not for me to say what other women should or must do, especially when it involves their own bodies.

Women choose not to BF for all sorts of reasons. It seems 'icky' to them or disgusting, they don't believe there's much difference between breastmilk or formula, they have personal issues such as trauma or abuse, they have had surgery which prevents them from breastfeeding, a previous experience of BF has put them off, they think they can't breastfeed and the list goes on. They don't have to explain them to anyone or justify them.

Some women do not breastfeed because of misconceptions (eg, father can't bond with the baby, it's too time consuming, it's always really hard, it means others can't help, they'll be tied to their baby all the time, they can't go back to work etc etc) and that is something that needs to be changed, but it's not the fault of individual women and it's not something that will happen overnight.

 

[vintage67]

If there had been anything coming out, I would have pumped for months if necesary. By the time my lazy, selfish ass stopped pumping, I had about a teaspoon to show for pumping every 2-3 hours like clockwork. In total. With a hospital grade electric pump. A Medela Lactina. With a baby that still wouldn't latch.