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[IsaacRalph]

Hi ladies! everyone.

Wish I had better news for you all, but another BFN this morning. Not sure what else to expect since we've had 16 cycles of failure in spite of DH's supersperm. Why should it work out now?

I think I alluded to this before, but today I went to visit a friend (about an hour away) who has a little girl about 6 mos younger than DD and another new baby girl. I've been sort of dreading this visit for the last few weeks, even though I really wanted to see her and the new baby and give our girls a chance to play. But it's kind of hard too since her girls are almost exactly 2 years apart and mine would have been pretty much exactly two years apart also (it's harder to be around baby girls because in my heart my angel was a girl). And all this coming off a BFN. But surprisingly it was fine and a really nice visit and I even held the baby and wasn't emotional.

The drive home sucked though but that's another story.

Anyway, I'm considering this cycle done. If I were gonna get a bfp I think I would have gotten it this morning. I know it can always be different, but I got my first BFPs in the past on CD12, and I'm just not feeling it. Now to wait on the witch and get in one more cycle (maybe two) before we talk with the Dr about what's next.

So DH has supersperm, my TSH and prolactin were normal, tubes were clear and uterus looked normal. I ovulate on my own every month with normal cycle length and good LP length. Dr said next would be meds or maybe IUIs. Any tests I should ask for first before investing in stuff like that?

So sorry about your bfn I know my af is around the corner too! Yeah it's good that your not rushing into anything and these months after hsg should improve your chances. Have you had your amh level checked yet? It's another ovarian reserve level! Mine was satisfactory but not amazing but dr's are fine with it! Have you had fsh and lh checked on cd 2-4?

 

[gemmy]

I have everything fixed that you both think afs are around the corner but actually they are not!!!

 

[eyemom]

Thanks ladies.

Isaac, someone else asked about the FSH when I posed the question in another thread. I haven't had that or any of the others you mentioned checked. I'll give it another cycle or two since the HSG and then ask about those before proceeding. Thanks!

 

[IsaacRalph]

Thanks gemmy but know the dreaded feeling all too well! Tested this am bfn too, granted it wasn't an early test but still think it's over for me this month! Temps still looking good eyemom

 

[tommyg]

Hugs ladies better luck next month.

Barbikins how are you doing?

 

[WhiteOrchid24]

Sorry about your BFN eyemom and sorry that you feel AF is just round the corner Isaac....I was really hoping for both of you. Isaac at least you have things lined up and eyemom I've heard after the HSG it can be effective for 2-3 cycles?! I think so anyway - I'm easily confused with everything!!!

Gemmy & Tommy - how are your 2ww's going?
Barbikins - I know you haven't been on since your test and saw on another post how you got on so thinking of you. We're here to talk if you want to but understand if you don't feel like it.

AFM - 3 days til the dreaded results....wish I didn't have to go as really just don't want to know anymore but I'm sure DH is dreading it more. Still staying super positive that the FertilAid will help! My only concern for next month is I think DH might be away a lot for work so might not even get a chance to try but will cross that bridge when we get to it!

 

[IsaacRalph]

Good luck for Friday orchid hoping and praying its not bad news!
Any sign of bfp or af eye mom?
Afm proper melt down with dh today he was joking around with me but just a bit insensitive or I thought so anyway so I fell out with him for a bit and gave him what for! Really feel like I need a good blub or something?? I know it's my hormones this af can't come quick enough 4 more days to go and 5 until injections start!
I noticed that barbi had bad results from her hsg! If your reading barbi sending you much love and of course support if you need it xxx we miss you!

 

[WhiteOrchid24]

I'm in such a bad mood today too I have a cold and didn't sleep well as up with DS who was stuffed up and coughing (but much better now) but I am just super cranky and feeling super fed up today

Isaac - is there any chance at all that you could be pregnant? Or is it normal for you to feel so hormonal and emotional? Keeping my fingers crossed for you.

 

[IsaacRalph]

Hey orchid well yeah of course there is a chance of pregnancy but I very much doubt it! Tested on 10dpo and bfn and can't be bothered to test anymore cuz I don't feel preggers at all I know the signs too well! Just a super bad pms month. My boobs are swollen with fluid retention and I just feel yuk!
Orchid- want to send you all my best wishes for tomorrow I'll be thinking about you! Al my toes and fingers crossed xx hope your in a better frame of mind today my ds had been groggy following his flu nasal vaccine so with you there!

 

[tommyg]

Issac 10 dpo is early to test, I'd try again.
Boobs was my only sign with DS.

I'm just waiting out the 2 weeks about half way.

 

[gemmy]

Good luck everyone. My bb just started feeling tender today but for me that is af - not pregnancy. This happened before 2 cycles ago and af came early so I am not hopeful. Another week to get through too.

 

[WhiteOrchid24]

Thanks Isaac. I have to admit I'm really nervous. DH has been away and so the last 2 nights I haven't been able to sleep stupidly thinking about different scenarios and how we will deal with things....I just want the appt to be over with so we at least know and can work out where to go from there. I'm also super worried about how we are going to take any bad news as I know I need to be strong for DH but also know I will be heartbroken if it's worse than before! Anyway time will tell I guess....

Feeling in a much better mood today thanks - got out of the house which always makes a difference. Also got the start of Ov. symptoms so just as well DH is coming home tonight so we can at least try!

Isaac will still keep my fingers crossed for you but I know what it's like cause you know your body and know what you get every month and what would be slightly different. Also gemmy fingers crossed for you too but like you the start of sore boobs for me is always my first early sign that I'm out. Still you never know! I wish my timing was better and my 2ww wait was the same as the rest of you - I'm totally out of sync from the rest of you!!! Good luck ladies. I'll let you know our fate tomorrow and what is happening next! (Oh and STILL waiting for fertilaid!! I guess the 2-6 days shipping doesn't quite cover coming to canada!!)

 

[eyemom]

Hello ladies! Sorry I've been MIA. I am officially on to the next cycle. :-/ Oh well, not beating myself up over it anymore.

We're going to visit some friends (my DH's best friend's family) and when we told them I was pregnant (expecting DD), they got pregnant very soon after (I'm 95% sure they didn't start trying until they knew about us). We've been trying 16 going on 17 cycles now...they started trying in July. I'm secretly terrified they're going to have news for us. I'd be really happy for them, but I already feel "left behind." When they conceive, that's like the clincher that I feel completely, totally, 1000% left behind. But I'm getting ahead of myself. Maybe there won't be news yet. I think Jon's the type to call DH right away if there was news anyway.

Orchid--I've heard that too, that some ladies have better luck in the 2-3 mos after the HSG. So I'm trying to tell myself I have another couple of cycles to go before I get down about it!

I guess tomorrow is your big day. Crossing all my fingers and toes. Hope no matter what you can come out feeling positive at least in some aspect.

Barbi--if you're still lurking, I saw about it too, didn't know if I should say anything, but I've definitely been thinking of you. Still cheering you on.

Hi Isaac--I had a good meltdown on Monday triggered by a whole host of things. I think it was just too much crap at once. But I have that mostly out of my system and feeling better. WISH I had bfp news, but alas no excitement here. Just that stupid AF just as we're about to go on vacation!

 

[WhiteOrchid24]

Well it's D-Day!! The sun is shining brightly though so I'm hoping that's a good sign and if not at least it's a beautiful day!! Wish me luck - I am SO nervous! (I hate to think what I will be like at the Dr's!) I'll let you know how we get on. Hope you are all ok x

 

[eyemom]

Thinking of you!

 

[IsaacRalph]

Good luck orchid thinking of you!
Gemmy got my fx'd for you too I can tell I'm not pregnant if I get sore boobs too! The times I've been pregnant my boobs have been a bit tingly but no soreness only past the 5week mark.
Eyemom- thankfully I think I'm over the worst with my friends and family announcing bfp news. I just have maybe a couple of friends and work colleagues to attend with but I'm honestly desensitising to it now. I long for my own baby not anyone else's but I do get the odd pang of jealousy! I love being pregnant and going for the scans etc!

 

[WhiteOrchid24]

Well the results are in.....

There's good news and bad news. The good news is his morphology has gone from 0% normal - 2% which I am really happy about. Still below the recommended 4% but hey, it's getting there!!

The bad news is some other things have gotten worse...quite a bit worse Probably the most frustrating thing is the news that his count isn't actually good at all! I guess the Dr was trying to be optimistic initially by meaning anything that is above 1 is good since the real issues are when there is no sperm in a sample, but by all other counts it's low - 4 million to be exact when the requirements now are for 15 million +....

So on top of finding that out (it was 4 million at last test) the other big change was that motility went from 44% which is considered normal to 19% and the progressive motility was 13% and they look for above 32.

So really not good at all. Amazingly we came out of the appointment ok but now that I've had a chance to think about things I'm feeling a little more down. DH actually seemed ok with the results (probably cause the morphology was no longer 0%!) but I think it was more a wake up call to him of how much the results can vary from test to test so I think he is taking it all with a pinch of salt which is the right thing to do.

I'm so delighted morphology is up but unsure and nervous about everything else. The Dr did do an examination of him while there since he actually hadn't done one in the past and he said everything was fine, however he is going to refer him to a urologist for a 2nd opinion (was going to do so regardless of the check). Also I am being referred to a gyno so we can work out where to go next and what tests I will have which will most likely be HSG.

So there you have it! Sorry, I ended up editing this post from the initial one after I had some time to think and do some research so hopefully it makes more sense now! In the meantime I really wish the Fertilaid would arrive! It must have got held up at the Border but I'm going to order another month or 2 and we can go from there and just wait til we get our appointments booked to see the specialists.

I hope you all have a great weekend. Sorry - I need to reply to your posts as well I just wanted to update this first. Hugs to you all and thank you for listening. It makes things so much better having you all to talk to!

 

[gemmy]

Sounds complicated hun hope one of girls can advice. Fx that the vitamin s etc ca help and you do it again. Good with the morph one. My dh sa has been organised finally so should get a date in post.

Thanks ralph I am fx for you too.

It is good that our cycles are different on here as we have someone to cheer on most if tine. Another wee for me ir maybe just under.

 

[gemmy]

Week not wee. Can't be bothered to edit out all the mistakes my phone just made lol

 

[CaliDreaming]

Well the results are in.....

There's good news and bad news. The good news is his morphology has gone from 0% normal - 2% which I am really happy about. Still below the recommended 4% but hey, it's getting there!!

The bad news is some other things have gotten worse...quite a bit worse Probably the most frustrating thing is the news that his count isn't actually good at all! I guess the Dr was trying to be optimistic initially by meaning anything that is above 1 is good since the real issues are when there is no sperm in a sample, but by all other counts it's low - 4 million to be exact when the requirements now are for 15 million +....

So on top of finding that out (it was 4 million at last test) the other big change was that motility went from 44% which is considered normal to 19% and the progressive motility was 13% and they look for above 32.

So really not good at all. Amazingly we came out of the appointment ok but now that I've had a chance to think about things I'm feeling a little more down. DH actually seemed ok with the results (probably cause the morphology was no longer 0%!) but I think it was more a wake up call to him of how much the results can vary from test to test so I think he is taking it all with a pinch of salt which is the right thing to do.

I'm so delighted morphology is up but unsure and nervous about everything else. The Dr did do an examination of him while there since he actually hadn't done one in the past and he said everything was fine, however he is going to refer him to a urologist for a 2nd opinion (was going to do so regardless of the check). Also I am being referred to a gyno so we can work out where to go next and what tests I will have which will most likely be HSG.

So there you have it! Sorry, I ended up editing this post from the initial one after I had some time to think and do some research so hopefully it makes more sense now! In the meantime I really wish the Fertilaid would arrive! It must have got held up at the Border but I'm going to order another month or 2 and we can go from there and just wait til we get our appointments booked to see the specialists.

I hope you all have a great weekend. Sorry - I need to reply to your posts as well I just wanted to update this first. Hugs to you all and thank you for listening. It makes things so much better having you all to talk to!

Hi Whiteorchid! Finally coming out of lurkdom! I had a few thoughts thinking back to the research I had done on this topic

1. First off, there is really nothing to be down about these results at all! The most important thing to remember is that your husband got you pregnant once not to long ago, so the prognosis is excellent that he will be able to do so again. Men's issues are usually a much easier fix than women's issues.

2. Sperm quality can change from day to day and under certain conditions. For instance, even though your dh's motility was 19%, it could be 30 or 40% if he took another one a couple of days from now. Lots of factors, like how long you abstained, his stress and arousal levels, time of day, can affect the count and the quality. The improved morphology is a good example of how results can change dramatically in a short period of time.

3. I remember reading somewhere that if the count is below 10 million/ml, then it's likely a hormonal issue--testosterone I think. Supplements can help boost testosterone, and urologists have a prescription brand that they will prescribe men.. Also, some urologists will prescribe Clomid but that is a more controversial treatment.

I think the doctor was telling the truth in saying that it was good that the results were not zero. His results were low but definitely in a range where there is good hope they can be greatly improved in a reasonably short period of time and without any invasive or expensive treatments. So keep your head up and I hope that soon you and all of the other ladies will get bfp's soon. I hated infertility but I really loved chatting with all of you!