7th Natural cycle IVF(w/o meds) and finally BFP!

[Briss]

bettybee, natural IVF is a little cheaper cos you are not paying for meds but otherwise it's the same really. I would probably go for stim cycle if the NHS agreed to fund it but with my high FSH they said I was not eligible for funding. I was actually on 150 IU of menopur for my natural/modified IVF which gave me 2 follicles but one was very close to my ovarian cyst so they decided not to collect it (it ovulated on its own after EC). I am questioning now whether I should do any stims at all if they cant collect from my right ovary. what;s the point, right?

 

[bettybee1]

I don't know it's mental all this malarkey lol

Some ladies who are 30 collect 13 eggs with 150mlu

I collected 15 but I was on 225 the. Upped too 300 then back down

Why couldn't they get too your right ovary ? X

 

[Briss]

they said it was too risky, the follicle was next to my cyst and they were afraid to puncture it. I only stimmed for 5 days from CD6. there were 6 follicles to begin with but only 2 grew, the rest vanished.

 

[Briss]

I went to CRGH for a short one to one with my list of questions. Their approach is so different from Create. They are determined to succeed but it scares me. they look more high end compared to Create. I have a few concerns (i) They sound a little bit ruthless. for example, at Create they are focused on preserving your health and wont do anything that may damage it even if it means minimising your chances of pregnancy, so they did not go after my second egg because the cyst was in the way. Now at CRGH, they say it depends on the cyst and in certain circumstances they will just go through the cyst in order to collect the eggs even though it's going to be punctured and spill into my abdomen. it's no biggie apparently. I can just take some antibiotics. what??? they will decide after the tests whether they do stims or natural IVF and with them you will just have to let it go completely and let them do whatever they want really. you will have no control so trusting them is crucial. (ii) They say they have extensive experience with high FSh and yet they wont do stims with FSH above 15 on any given cycle. I mean 15 is not that high! (iii) they cant do anything for sperm. it's the usual ICSI. they can do IMSi but it's still about morphology not chromosomes so I am not sure whether it's worth paying for. they suggested antioxidants (basically wellmen conception) and frequent ejaculation (every other day!!) to improve sperm quality (iv) cost – major concern cos they will start with doing your entire profile, it's all very expensive and I think it'll be twice as much as at Create, if not more.

Lister booked me for their open day in January!! they seem to be very popular.

 

[bettybee1]

Hmmm they sound abit ruthless plus the fact they don't do ISCI is Krazy !

Your in the prime area in London Hun There are soooo many clinics around there !!!

Up north there's hardly none !!!!


Hmm I have heard good success stories from lister ?
London's women clinc too ?


I looked into create at 1st Nd wasn't really impressed I like determined consultants the one there calmly said it's a gamble with natural ivf or low stim ivf

I have just my success at care fertilty , they have clinics all over and are very good !!!

There was a lot of ladies I spoke too with dor so am sure they're experienced with it

Also when your stimmulatin your carefully watched !!! And after your carefully watched xxx

 

[Briss]

ladies, I need your advice. Create is saying we need to step up for the second IVF cycle and do proper stimulation with Gonal F. That's completely the opposite from what I was expecting. I thought they would say no stimulation and let's do natural cycle. I do not know what to do because the whole point of going to Create is cos they use natural approach. Stims is the opposite of natural. maybe I should just go to CRGH cos these guys will do proper stims and their ratings for stim cycles are super (they are second in London I think). the only thing is CRGH may not do stim if my FSH is above 15 (which it is unfortunately) while at create they will stim with higth FSH and CRGH are so much more expensive. What would you recommend?

 

[Electricat]

ladies, I need your advice. Create is saying we need to step up for the second IVF cycle and do proper stimulation with Gonal F. That's completely the opposite from what I was expecting. I thought they would say no stimulation and let's do natural cycle. I do not know what to do because the whole point of going to Create is cos they use natural approach. Stims is the opposite of natural. maybe I should just go to CRGH cos these guys will do proper stims and their ratings for stim cycles are super (they are second in London I think). the only thing is CRGH may not do stim if my FSH is above 15 (which it is unfortunately) while at create they will stim with higth FSH and CRGH are so much more expensive. What would you recommend?

I thought Create would only do moderate stim? Sorry, I don't know much about this, but by "proper" stim you mean full blown IVF, just like normal?

And if CRGH won't have you with FSH over 15 (and you are over 15?) It's a no brainer, sin't it?

Sorry to be of no help lol

AFM - I've sent Create a miffed e-mail today! Even before I've even been to a consult, they've messed up with getting back to me, so I had to be the one to prompt them to contact me so I could give them MY money. They charge the initial consultation over the phone and I have to remind THEM?

I just had to let them know I'm not impressed with the way I've been handled so far and that I hope they're administrative problems don't seep into how they take care of ppls health issues....

Yes I was a bit miffed and sent a sour e-mail...dunno if it's wise, but got annoyed I had to ASK them to take my money, when I REALLY don't wanna pay at all

Oh well..

 

[Briss]

Electricat, thanks for responding. I do not know that much about stims. I think Create only does moderate stim but they said they would put me on antagonist short protocol and will start me off with small dose of 125 Gonal F and then increase as necessary. I cant tell whether that's mild stim or full blown. they said I reacted well to lower doses on menopur on my modified natural cycle that's why they want to do stims this time.

FSH fluctuates so it can be lower next cycle. also if it is above 15, CRGH will do natural cycle.

I waited for over an hour for my follow up app but at least they took their time with me and answered all my questions, did a scan and proper assessment. I think all IVF clinics are very bad at admin matters, I do not know why but women complain about these things a lot, it's not just create.

A lady came to the clinic today and showed off her scan pictures of her baby to the receptionists. We cycled at the same time and she got lucky while I did not. I had to hide in a toilet and have a little cry. it's just so sad.

 

[Electricat]

A lady came to the clinic today and showed off her scan pictures of her baby to the receptionists. We cycled at the same time and she got lucky while I did not. I had to hide in a toilet and have a little cry. it's just so sad.

 

[dovkav123]

Hi girls!
I'll be a horrible selfish right now and just tell you short note that everything was smooth today.
One egg was found in the 24mm follicle
Sperm was very good, no ICSI
I was a hero today. ER without pain killer. Needle poke hurt only a second. Just cramping more than ussual later.
WE are doing 2dt.

 

[Briss]

dovkav, well done! wonderful news! you are true hero, EC with no sedation!! grow emby grow!!

 

[Briss]

it's just so hard to make a decision. I could not sleep all night and feel very stressed at the moment. DH decided we should go back to Create. I think it's mainly cash decision: 5K vs <8K. I almost persuaded myself that we should move to CRGH and then he comes back with Create. Quite unexpected cos it's a bit contrary to what he was saying before. I hope we are doing the right thing but I really cant tell. I realised that deep down I resent IVf so maybe that's why I cannot chose a clinic, I do not like any of them. I guess I need to start thinking positive about Create now. maybe I will get lucky this time, we almost did on our first try with just one egg. Besides they will do mild stims so hopefully I will get out of it pregnant and with my health intact.

 

[bettybee1]

Most of the time briss the main risk off stimming is ohss !!!!now I have had 40 follicles each cycle and loads off eggs and it's only this last time I got very bloated and I went for a scan my ovaries were tiny well Normal

And I doubht with your fsh been so high that's you would get ohss

Because you had spotting quite early after transfer I would be asking for estrogen & extra progestrone for after egg collection xxx

 

[Briss]

bettybee, thank you! I asked about estrogen but they said they do not do that and it's a completely different protocol where they use estrogen. I do not think I am at a risk of getting ohss cos stimulation will be mild and I do have high FSH but there are millions of other side effects of stims. do not really want to talk about it now cos trying to think only positive thoughts as far as possible...

 

[bettybee1]

Every clinic can give estrogen not estrogen priming it for extra lutuel support

I demanded it they finally gave me that's why I think am pregnant !!! Xxxx

 

[bettybee1]

There is risks off stims but very very small ones later in life & haven't actually been proved that well

To me when a lady is pregnant they produce so many hormones that the ones you get as a result of stimming that's they suggest cause cancer are on parr xxx

 

[dovkav123]

Eggy didn't fertilize in 24 hours, so I asked if it could happen later. IVF lab maybe so they kept it one more day. This morning I called and we have bad news, no fertilization, but the good news that DH little swimmers are still alive after 48 hours.
I think I have a lazy right ovary. IVF #1 no egg was found and this cycle is finished.
This cycle i didn't heat my ovaries before EC and I didn't take maca root.

Briss, Is a new clinic told you to go ahead and do EC and poke your cyst? This is horrable. I know many girls end up in the emergency for painful cyst rupture. You don't want to chance it. Don't pick that clinic! It is not about pain it is about the risk of friendly cyst becoming bad one.

Sorry you tested BFN,
I beleave in Christmas magic..

It is important to get BFP after stimulated IVF, than your chances are lower for later cancer.

 

[Briss]

dovkav, I am so sorry!!! what do they say? was the egg not mature or quality not great? is it possible that the egg's shell is too tough to penetrate? At least you know now that you need to wait for the left ovary (what is it with right ovaries!! mine is not doing well either). it's really good that your DH's sperm is so strong! what do they recommend to do now?

just got my AF and ready to start IVF No. 2. I am on short antagonist protocol (but with mild stimulation). I got my meds and a letter that hopefully will let me take it with the needles as my hand luggage. I am going abroad tomorrow and will have to start my injections there. Need to make sure none of my colleagues who are travelling with me will see the letter cos it says "fertility treatment". I need to keep it in the fridge which is a bit of a nuisance. had to cover it up at work so people do not see what that is. I'd also need to somehow manage to get out of the corporate dinner tomorrow and stab myself in my tummy. It's a different FSH this time Gonal F (last time it was menopur), they say they want to see whether I react better to this one. They start me with very low dose as they say 125 (usually they start with 150) on CD2 which is tomorrow. here I go again!

I returned to my previous clinic for the second round. hard to say whether that is a right decision but it's done now, I just need to try and feel positive about everything.

Poking your cyst during EC did not sound right to me either. the doc who said that was very young but it made me nervous, I will be paying lots of money for the treatment and they may give me this young doc who just does not know that much and is not afraid to take the risk at my expense. scary stuff!

I will just have to take the risk with stimulation I suppose. I do not know if this is going to give us better chances, I can only hope&#8230;

 

[dovkav123]

an egg was matured, and the sperm was super, it is only 50% of fertilisation rate so I guess we were just unlucky ones. Next time we'll need to do ICSI.
I am glad you stayed with your old clinic. It's only your second try. I really really hope this time will work for you!
You are creative, you'll keep your secret from curious eyes

Briss, I had an opposite experience.
I met a couple who didn't get preggo in my old clinic. I saw them in the restaurant. They started talking to me that they remembered me and my hubby waiting in the clinic. WE had the same RE. She is 43 and he 53. They were not lucky with natural IVF, stimulated and donor egg (in Austria). They stopped trying...I will not stop trying. I felt that I am still young and I have time....
She shaked my hand and made me promise to her that I'll come back to this restaurant with a big belly. I promised.....My body was shaking , I had chills and tears..in my eays

They were the owners of a beautiful restaurant, I thought money was not an issue for them. So I was hoping they picked the best clinic, my clinic. But I was wrong... they were not lucky either.

 

[dovkav123]

Thrombofilia is negative.
AMH went up from 1.29 to 2.2. I guess poking ovaries only helps my fertility!
My RE told me your age will determine your fertility and amh, not an injury to an ovary and she war right!

I really want to try another IVF in December. Maybe I'll have my BFP on my birthday!