Any Aussie ladies starting IVF?

Thats good - looks like you are definitely on your way to ovulating then with your 10mm follie :D
I am super excited for you to do your intralipid this weekend, I've heard really great stories from others doing this with IVF... Do you just sit down for a few hours while they do it? Will your husband go with you or have you not decided yet?

Thanks for that, so I just eat lots of protein and water etc while I'm doing my Gonal injections etc? She didn't sound like I will overstim but I think she was just warning me that because my AMH is at 52 I just might... just gave me the warnings etc. I really hope I dont :/ she said if I get more the 16 follicles they might not let me transfer. I guess they are just a cautious clinic. They do 5 day transfers. I actually think I will be about a week or so behind you, I thought for some reason we would be doing it together hehe I will start AF on Saturday and then injections on Monday if all goes to plan.
Thanks, I will get my hubby to do allllll my injections and I will sooo do the ice thing haha I'm such a sook when it comes to needles.

The other thing with Melissa ~ my husband has has bad issues with this thyroid over the last 2 years (right side has been removed) and he was very concerned with these particular results from her. WELL "no no no you are both all fine blah blah" ~ we finally get the results from head office QFG faxed to our GP last week and our GP rings my husband direct to come back because all his results are out of wack etc.... I'm soooo angry!!!! He is thinking of making a complaint to head office~ Now we think back all she wanted us to do was IVF from day 1....
We should go in together and complain hahaha

Just think when you start your Clexane injections again next week that this is all for a great cause :) and you will get through it !!! I promise :hugs:

Good luck at your scan tomorrow - hope that folly is growing nice and strong!!!

From what I understand, I have to be there at 2pm where I will be admitted, and then have a bag of fluid flushed through before the intralipid begins, and then sit there for about 6 hours while it infuses into my blood mwuhaha, and then another bag of fluids to flush it through my veins. Yep my husband got the weekend off work (they tried to send him away again) so he is coming with me thank goodness. I haven't asked if he is allowed to sit next to me while it's all done but I can't imagine why he couldn't... Otherwise he will just have to go somewhere else and wait for me :) we are staying with family (we live 6 hrs away from where I need to have it) and then driving home on Sunday. Big weekend!

Eeep I hope it's growing ! Tomorrow morning I'll know for sure ;) honestly, I would write a letter to QFG if you are really annoyed about it- it's a lot of money to spend on something and you want to make sure you are tested correctly. I am just glad myself to finally be on a different path and I'm glad you didn't have to go through much to get there. Melissa is an awesome doctor and fertility specialist but I think because she is also an obstetrician she might struggle to commit to just one area of specialising. My thyroid a bit out too, and that's something she didn't pick up. The natural killer cells and stuff I can understand why that wasn't looked into but if it was I wouldn't have had so many failures that were unexplained, it's just so frustrating.

I'll update tomorrow arvo, hopefully it's moving properly in there haha ;) there's lots happening with both of us now! Exciting!!
 
My amh is at 94! I really hope I don't overstim..

You will be ok :) I have a high AMH as well and my first ever cycle was put on 100iu gonal f per day, as they were worried about me over stimulating. I ended up having that cycle cancelled as only one follicle was dominant (I had about 5 in total) but 100iu wasn't enough. The next cycle I was put on 150iu gonal F and got 11 eggs, 10 were mature and then 8 fertilised with ICSI. This was a pretty good turn out and we ended up having one day 3 transferred and 2 x day 3 frozen, and one blastocyst frozen on day 6. :)

The next cycle I did another at 150iu gonal f and only got 7 eggs and only 5 were mature! All fertilised luckily and we had one blast on day 5 which was disappointing but better than nothing.

Then our last cycle I was on 225iu gonal F and had about 25 follicles on the last scan (they were sooo worried about overstimulation that they told me it would be a freeze all) and then I got 15 eggs and 13 ended up being mature, and we had about 10 fertilised out of that.

Everyone is different and their bodies react in different ways but your clinic will look after you & make sure that you are in tip top shape. :) so exciting! I hope this is it for both of you lovely ladies!
 
Wow Eveclo that is a huge day for the intralipids, so glad your husband can go with you... even if he isn't in the room with you its always nice to know they are around. :)
Hope you scan went well today and your follie has continued to grow nicely.

Yeah I know ~ dont know if we will actually complain just wanted to vent I guess. Its not worth the stress and animosity especially because I am starting IVF basically now eeek I have everything I need from them now so I will look forward and be positive :D :D
I had a bad day yesterday, I was pretty down for some reason after such a positive day the day before haha I think I'm getting nervous.

MissCassie, wow that is a high AMH... dont stress though we are in good hands - the nurse explained to me if you do start to overstim they can pretty much stop it straight away. I feel like I am in really safe hands with them. How are you feeling with the injections so far?
 
Wow Eveclo that is a huge day for the intralipids, so glad your husband can go with you... even if he isn't in the room with you its always nice to know they are around. :)
Hope you scan went well today and your follie has continued to grow nicely.

Yeah I know ~ dont know if we will actually complain just wanted to vent I guess. Its not worth the stress and animosity especially because I am starting IVF basically now eeek I have everything I need from them now so I will look forward and be positive :D :D
I had a bad day yesterday, I was pretty down for some reason after such a positive day the day before haha I think I'm getting nervous.

MissCassie, wow that is a high AMH... dont stress though we are in good hands - the nurse explained to me if you do start to overstim they can pretty much stop it straight away. I feel like I am in really safe hands with them. How are you feeling with the injections so far?

Everything is on track! I should ovulate early-mid next week :) I knew it would be fine but the nurse put a bit of doubt in my mind for a moment! I have 2 follicles growing and progressing but I have another scan on Monday to check as well. I start those OPK's on Saturday too just to make sure I don't miss the surge.

Ohh that is normal to feel nervous. Best advice I can give is to take every day as it comes, and also not to 'expect' anything. Don't expect that everything will work perfectly or don't expect things to go bad. I know that sounds a bit debby-downer but if you don't have expectations then everything that is good is a nice surprise :) I have a feeling this is it for you though. I'm so excited for you! I remember our first EPU, we watched all of the seasons of Breaking Bad in front of the TV with our massive couch and pillows everywhere. It was actually one of the best weeks of my life in that regard. Just relaxing and M was my nurse, haha. Does your work know you are going through IVF?
 
Woohooo so glad all looks good to go - was thinking of you !! Really want this to be it for you :) you've been through enough its your turn now.
I'll be thinking of you Eveclo !!! :flower:

Ohhhh thank you that made me feel giddy. (I have a feeling this is it for you) I really really hope it is !
That advice is exactly what my nurse said as well, I will try and not expect too much - Its so hard not to expect it to work if that makes sense :/ I will take each day as it comes, our little chats help me in so many ways I really appreciate you stopping by and chatting with me :D Not debbie downer at all - actually really makes sense.

Funny you ask that I actually quit work to start the IUI path etc because I already worked 1 hour away from home each day so it all would have been too much. Had been doing that drive for the last 5 years so it was getting too much anyway. AND my boss was my dad.... tried to keep it a secret as I really didn't want anyone to know so I said I was having time off to relax... Anyway my sister announced she was pregnant after like no time trying and I basically had a mini meltdown (second IUI and I was on clomid) and so I had to tell my parents. Funnily though they have been so supportive. BUT I haven't told them we've started IVF now. I kinda want it to be a surprise when it does happen, not my mum ringing to see if my period is late hahahaha I might cave and tell them though.
 
Woohooo so glad all looks good to go - was thinking of you !! Really want this to be it for you :) you've been through enough its your turn now.
I'll be thinking of you Eveclo !!! :flower:

Ohhhh thank you that made me feel giddy. (I have a feeling this is it for you) I really really hope it is !
That advice is exactly what my nurse said as well, I will try and not expect too much - Its so hard not to expect it to work if that makes sense :/ I will take each day as it comes, our little chats help me in so many ways I really appreciate you stopping by and chatting with me :D Not debbie downer at all - actually really makes sense.

Funny you ask that I actually quit work to start the IUI path etc because I already worked 1 hour away from home each day so it all would have been too much. Had been doing that drive for the last 5 years so it was getting too much anyway. AND my boss was my dad.... tried to keep it a secret as I really didn't want anyone to know so I said I was having time off to relax... Anyway my sister announced she was pregnant after like no time trying and I basically had a mini meltdown (second IUI and I was on clomid) and so I had to tell my parents. Funnily though they have been so supportive. BUT I haven't told them we've started IVF now. I kinda want it to be a surprise when it does happen, not my mum ringing to see if my period is late hahahaha I might cave and tell them though.

Ohh well I am glad! It definitely helps to have support from people that have gone through the same thing or even just understand how you feel. I am so so grateful for the internet for providing that support. There is no way I could meet people like you and others without this. I think you gain advice and strength from others and it does help so much so i'm glad you've found your way here! :)

That's great that you aren't working - it makes it a lot easier. I was working full time when we did our first cycle and my goodness it was so hard to lie! I didn't ever tell my boss or anyone I was working with. I honestly don't know how i did it. I used to just be 'late' to work or have an appointment or it fell on the weekend. It was stressful though, to try and find a new lie (i'm a terrible liar too which doesn't help!). We never told our families either that we were doing IVF but this cycle I have really just let them all in! Since we have had so many failures, we felt like we really needed a bit more support, and as soon as we opened up ourselves, our families felt a lot more comfortable to talk about it with us. My mother in law is really beautiful, and tells us she is very very interested and is always wondering what is happening with it all but that she understands that we don't want everyone to know everything and that we can just talk about whatever whenever we are ready and she won't be asking etc. So sweet!

It will be such a nice surprise though when you can announce it to them! I'm sorry about your sister falling pregnant so easily :( It is really hurtful, I know. My SIL announced her pregnancy at the start of the year after not very long trying either, and both M & I were heartbroken. It wasn't that we weren't happy for them at all, it was just a reminder of what we weren't able to achieve even with all of the medical interventions available. We will all get there though, and we know how precious our babies will be. :) Worth it, for sure.

:hugs:
 
My amh is at 94! I really hope I don't overstim..

You will be ok :) I have a high AMH as well and my first ever cycle was put on 100iu gonal f per day, as they were worried about me over stimulating. I ended up having that cycle cancelled as only one follicle was dominant (I had about 5 in total) but 100iu wasn't enough. The next cycle I was put on 150iu gonal F and got 11 eggs, 10 were mature and then 8 fertilised with ICSI. This was a pretty good turn out and we ended up having one day 3 transferred and 2 x day 3 frozen, and one blastocyst frozen on day 6. :)

The next cycle I did another at 150iu gonal f and only got 7 eggs and only 5 were mature! All fertilised luckily and we had one blast on day 5 which was disappointing but better than nothing.

Then our last cycle I was on 225iu gonal F and had about 25 follicles on the last scan (they were sooo worried about overstimulation that they told me it would be a freeze all) and then I got 15 eggs and 13 ended up being mature, and we had about 10 fertilised out of that.

Everyone is different and their bodies react in different ways but your clinic will look after you & make sure that you are in tip top shape. :) so exciting! I hope this is it for both of you lovely ladies!

Thank you so much for the reassurance :) it really is helping with all the support and advice.
i really do hope that 150 does the trick for me like it did for you! i really hope the intralipids works for you, so we can all be bump buddies!

MissCassie, wow that is a high AMH... dont stress though we are in good hands - the nurse explained to me if you do start to overstim they can pretty much stop it straight away. I feel like I am in really safe hands with them. How are you feeling with the injections so far?

I'm finding the injections to be fine, although this morning about 5 mins after i started to feel a bit sick, and I've been super tired all day! which makes working hard. because i just can't be bothered when I'm tired haha.

i think we are in great hands at this clinic too, they are all very helpful.
 
I also understand how its upsetting when a family member gets pregnant really easily.

my 16yr old niece is due to give birth in 7 days! i was told she was having a lot of braxton hicks last weekend and i cried like a baby.. its very upsetting and i was angry when i first found out she was pregnant. still am i guess a little bit.
 
My amh is at 94! I really hope I don't overstim..

You will be ok :) I have a high AMH as well and my first ever cycle was put on 100iu gonal f per day, as they were worried about me over stimulating. I ended up having that cycle cancelled as only one follicle was dominant (I had about 5 in total) but 100iu wasn't enough. The next cycle I was put on 150iu gonal F and got 11 eggs, 10 were mature and then 8 fertilised with ICSI. This was a pretty good turn out and we ended up having one day 3 transferred and 2 x day 3 frozen, and one blastocyst frozen on day 6. :)

The next cycle I did another at 150iu gonal f and only got 7 eggs and only 5 were mature! All fertilised luckily and we had one blast on day 5 which was disappointing but better than nothing.

Then our last cycle I was on 225iu gonal F and had about 25 follicles on the last scan (they were sooo worried about overstimulation that they told me it would be a freeze all) and then I got 15 eggs and 13 ended up being mature, and we had about 10 fertilised out of that.

Everyone is different and their bodies react in different ways but your clinic will look after you & make sure that you are in tip top shape. :) so exciting! I hope this is it for both of you lovely ladies!

Thank you so much for the reassurance :) it really is helping with all the support and advice.
i really do hope that 150 does the trick for me like it did for you! i really hope the intralipids works for you, so we can all be bump buddies!

MissCassie, wow that is a high AMH... dont stress though we are in good hands - the nurse explained to me if you do start to overstim they can pretty much stop it straight away. I feel like I am in really safe hands with them. How are you feeling with the injections so far?

I'm finding the injections to be fine, although this morning about 5 mins after i started to feel a bit sick, and I've been super tired all day! which makes working hard. because i just can't be bothered when I'm tired haha.

i think we are in great hands at this clinic too, they are all very helpful.

My first cycle I was absolutely exhausted, coming home from work feeling just so drained. I would come home at 5 and nap from 5-7 and then eat dinner and then go to bed again at 9-6am and then repeat. Luckily it is only temporary and you start to feel a bit more like yourself after your EPU. I think it is a good thing if you are tired though, at least you know your body is putting a lot of energy into producing those eggs! ;)

:happydance:

Have you had a scan yet to check progress? What day of stims are you on? I usually had my EPU around day 12 of stims :) xx
 
I also understand how its upsetting when a family member gets pregnant really easily.

my 16yr old niece is due to give birth in 7 days! i was told she was having a lot of braxton hicks last weekend and i cried like a baby.. its very upsetting and i was angry when i first found out she was pregnant. still am i guess a little bit.

It is very hard. I have a friend of a friend that fell pregnant the same time that M & I began trying, and now has her daughter and is pregnant again. I was really upset because in the time we have been trying, she has had a baby and is already pregnant again! I try not to think of it like that and just try to remember that i shouldn't be jealous of something that I want - if that makes sense. As much as I want it, it shouldn't make me want it less for other people.. As hard as that is somedays heheh :cry::haha:
 
My amh is at 94! I really hope I don't overstim..

You will be ok :) I have a high AMH as well and my first ever cycle was put on 100iu gonal f per day, as they were worried about me over stimulating. I ended up having that cycle cancelled as only one follicle was dominant (I had about 5 in total) but 100iu wasn't enough. The next cycle I was put on 150iu gonal F and got 11 eggs, 10 were mature and then 8 fertilised with ICSI. This was a pretty good turn out and we ended up having one day 3 transferred and 2 x day 3 frozen, and one blastocyst frozen on day 6. :)

The next cycle I did another at 150iu gonal f and only got 7 eggs and only 5 were mature! All fertilised luckily and we had one blast on day 5 which was disappointing but better than nothing.

Then our last cycle I was on 225iu gonal F and had about 25 follicles on the last scan (they were sooo worried about overstimulation that they told me it would be a freeze all) and then I got 15 eggs and 13 ended up being mature, and we had about 10 fertilised out of that.

Everyone is different and their bodies react in different ways but your clinic will look after you & make sure that you are in tip top shape. :) so exciting! I hope this is it for both of you lovely ladies!

Thank you so much for the reassurance :) it really is helping with all the support and advice.
i really do hope that 150 does the trick for me like it did for you! i really hope the intralipids works for you, so we can all be bump buddies!

MissCassie, wow that is a high AMH... dont stress though we are in good hands - the nurse explained to me if you do start to overstim they can pretty much stop it straight away. I feel like I am in really safe hands with them. How are you feeling with the injections so far?

I'm finding the injections to be fine, although this morning about 5 mins after i started to feel a bit sick, and I've been super tired all day! which makes working hard. because i just can't be bothered when I'm tired haha.

i think we are in great hands at this clinic too, they are all very helpful.

My first cycle I was absolutely exhausted, coming home from work feeling just so drained. I would come home at 5 and nap from 5-7 and then eat dinner and then go to bed again at 9-6am and then repeat. Luckily it is only temporary and you start to feel a bit more like yourself after your EPU. I think it is a good thing if you are tired though, at least you know your body is putting a lot of energy into producing those eggs! ;)

:happydance:

Have you had a scan yet to check progress? What day of stims are you on? I usually had my EPU around day 12 of stims :) xx

I hope it means my body is producing lots of eggs, because I am exhausted. And im in the middle of moving so I'm even more tired lol great timing haha. I could have totally had a nap this afternoon.

I'm currently on day 3 of stims.
and I have an scan on Wednesday to see how it's progressing. I'll. Be on day 8 of stims.

Are you getting excited about thus weekend?
 
My amh is at 94! I really hope I don't overstim..

You will be ok :) I have a high AMH as well and my first ever cycle was put on 100iu gonal f per day, as they were worried about me over stimulating. I ended up having that cycle cancelled as only one follicle was dominant (I had about 5 in total) but 100iu wasn't enough. The next cycle I was put on 150iu gonal F and got 11 eggs, 10 were mature and then 8 fertilised with ICSI. This was a pretty good turn out and we ended up having one day 3 transferred and 2 x day 3 frozen, and one blastocyst frozen on day 6. :)

The next cycle I did another at 150iu gonal f and only got 7 eggs and only 5 were mature! All fertilised luckily and we had one blast on day 5 which was disappointing but better than nothing.

Then our last cycle I was on 225iu gonal F and had about 25 follicles on the last scan (they were sooo worried about overstimulation that they told me it would be a freeze all) and then I got 15 eggs and 13 ended up being mature, and we had about 10 fertilised out of that.

Everyone is different and their bodies react in different ways but your clinic will look after you & make sure that you are in tip top shape. :) so exciting! I hope this is it for both of you lovely ladies!

Thank you so much for the reassurance :) it really is helping with all the support and advice.
i really do hope that 150 does the trick for me like it did for you! i really hope the intralipids works for you, so we can all be bump buddies!

MissCassie, wow that is a high AMH... dont stress though we are in good hands - the nurse explained to me if you do start to overstim they can pretty much stop it straight away. I feel like I am in really safe hands with them. How are you feeling with the injections so far?

I'm finding the injections to be fine, although this morning about 5 mins after i started to feel a bit sick, and I've been super tired all day! which makes working hard. because i just can't be bothered when I'm tired haha.

i think we are in great hands at this clinic too, they are all very helpful.

My first cycle I was absolutely exhausted, coming home from work feeling just so drained. I would come home at 5 and nap from 5-7 and then eat dinner and then go to bed again at 9-6am and then repeat. Luckily it is only temporary and you start to feel a bit more like yourself after your EPU. I think it is a good thing if you are tired though, at least you know your body is putting a lot of energy into producing those eggs! ;)

:happydance:

Have you had a scan yet to check progress? What day of stims are you on? I usually had my EPU around day 12 of stims :) xx

I hope it means my body is producing lots of eggs, because I am exhausted. And im in the middle of moving so I'm even more tired lol great timing haha. I could have totally had a nap this afternoon.

I'm currently on day 3 of stims.
and I have an scan on Wednesday to see how it's progressing. I'll. Be on day 8 of stims.

Are you getting excited about thus weekend?

I bet your ovaries are doing you a great justice :) It's so cool when you see your ovaries with all these random little follicles, it is a pretty good achievement!

Yep I am excited and nervous, I don't know what to expect. It's going to be a bit of a pain sitting there for hours on end but it is our best chance to get something good out of it. :)

Good luck with your scan!! Can't wait to hear the update after Wednesday :)
 
I'm used to seeing my ovaries full of follicles just not the right size,my last scan the the lady was like " look how many follicles you have" stupid pcos!

I really hope it works for you, you certainly deserve it! Maybe watch some movies on a tablet if you have one. That will help the time fly by. Although because your excited about it the time could go quicker for you.

I'm excited for my scan, but I'm. So used to being disappointed I'm. Scared about my follies not even doing anything.
 
Hi Eveclo how did you go today ? Hope it went well :D

Hi WB, :) yesterday went really really well. I arrived at the hospital at about 2pm, and by 4 I was hooked up to an Iv in my arm with a big bag of fluids going in. The immune doctor then came and hooked up this big bottle of intralipids, which look like milk in a glass 500mL bottle into my veins. It started pumping into my veins and it felt so strange, my arm was a little tingly actually but after about an hour it was ok. I sat there from 4-10pm letting it infuse and after the bottle was done they did another bag of fluids to make sure I got the most out of it. It was a really pleasant experience and I was sharing a room kind of with another IVF'er in Sydney. She was so lovely and had done a few ivf transfers without success, and last cycle had done a smaller dose of intralipids which helped her fall pregnant, but she unfortunately miscarried. I really felt for her story as she was a sweet heart. It was nice to meet someone in a similar boat as you are surprised how much you have in common. The nurse that was helping me was so amazing too, helping to build my confidence and trust with the whole thing. She had some success stories which were nice to hear as well. :)

I felt no real side effects except for being a little bit sleepy but they also gave me a drowsy antihistamine to stop any reactions. So that's probably what did it!

I start the clexane injections tonight so I'm hoping they aren't as bad as I remember haha. How is everything with you?? Xx
 
I'm glad that it went well for you and that the intralipids helps you fall pregnant it would be amazing!
 
Glad that you went well ~ sounded very full on but glad you got through it with a friend to chat too :) its nice to have someone that knows what you are going through to talk to, family and friends are compassionate but dont really get it.
Knowing that the intralipids helped her fall pregnant must give you hope :D even though her's unfortunately ended in a miscarriage. :(
Not long now till transfer..... I'm so so so excited for you eveclo! Its so your turn now !!!!

Well I gave myself a migraine last night, guess I was tense and nervous all day yesterday... went to bed at 11 couldn't sleep - dozed off and woke up at 12:45 with the most awful awful headache with nausea and I just felt so bad... was up until 4am - I eventually took nurophen which I think is a no no but I had too (my justification was I hadn't starting injections yet :(
Hubby came and got me (sleeping in lounge room) at 7:30 to see if I was ok, thankfully my headache was pretty much gone just a bit tense down my neck now. Anyway we did my needle from start to finish in 5 minutes OMG we are so proud of ourselves.. and it didn't hurt at all haha I was so worried. Now I'm worred about the Orgulatran syringe eeeeek this weekend hahaha I always give myself something to worry about I'm hopeless.

How are you going MissCassie ? You have a scan tomorrow to check on things dont you... good luck. Have you started the syringe needles yet?
 
Glad that you went well ~ sounded very full on but glad you got through it with a friend to chat too :) its nice to have someone that knows what you are going through to talk to, family and friends are compassionate but dont really get it.
Knowing that the intralipids helped her fall pregnant must give you hope :D even though her's unfortunately ended in a miscarriage. :(
Not long now till transfer..... I'm so so so excited for you eveclo! Its so your turn now !!!!

Well I gave myself a migraine last night, guess I was tense and nervous all day yesterday... went to bed at 11 couldn't sleep - dozed off and woke up at 12:45 with the most awful awful headache with nausea and I just felt so bad... was up until 4am - I eventually took nurophen which I think is a no no but I had too (my justification was I hadn't starting injections yet :(
Hubby came and got me (sleeping in lounge room) at 7:30 to see if I was ok, thankfully my headache was pretty much gone just a bit tense down my neck now. Anyway we did my needle from start to finish in 5 minutes OMG we are so proud of ourselves.. and it didn't hurt at all haha I was so worried. Now I'm worred about the Orgulatran syringe eeeeek this weekend hahaha I always give myself something to worry about I'm hopeless.

How are you going MissCassie ? You have a scan tomorrow to check on things dont you... good luck. Have you started the syringe needles yet?

Oh no you poor thing! I think that you are allowed to take nurophen and stuff up just not after your ET. Because I was on the codine type stuff (panafen) after EPU and they said that was fine so don't worry too much! I hope that you are feeling better though. Good job with the Gonal F, it is so much better once you've done the first one and realize how painless it is. Orgalutran isn't too bad, just ice up and relax. :)

I still haven't ovulated, i'm CD19 now which is painful. Hopefully tomorrow I will have some action i just can't believe how long it is taking. I have another scan to check what's going on tomorrow. :)

Yes MissCassie hope that everything is going well for you!
 
I started on the syringe needles on Sunday and they sting a little bit, but nothing to worry about really.

I'm nervous about tomorrow I really hope that my follicles have been growing.
 

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