Attacked by a two year old

[Ilikecake]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepa...red-by-nursery-girl-aged-two.html#comment-rig


Just wondering what people's views are on this?

Personally I feel quite sorry for the little 2 year old, there is obviously something causing her to lash out and it would "appear" that no one is giving her any guidance. It's sad at the age of two, the little girl is being labelled as a thug and a write off. It's a bit extreme, as is wanting her expelled. IMO, the nursery should be working with the parents and keeping a close eye on the child. Expelling her will not solve one thing.

 

[Lightworker]

The thing I find puzzling is that the victim's parents went to the press with this... what is wrong with them?

Do they not understand children? Awful..

 

[redpoppy]

The 2 year old obviously has behavioural issues and I would be tempted to call SS to see what was going on at home with her. I know toddlers don't have impulse control and can be violent but I don't think its usual to have so much violence form a child. I feel bad for her.

However if my child was at a nursery and came home looking like that I would expect something to be done about it. Poor little child. I understand a 2 year old bully doesn't have the awareness but the damage she may have caused to a child by attacking them so often is too great. You get bullied enough you start to take on the traits of a victim and hence get bullied again and again. It happens often and I know someone who it happened to. Bullied throughout his school life.

as for calling her a thug, it is the sun.

 

[Natasha2605]

Poor little girl. I definitely think SS should be paying the home a visit, she must be getting it from somewhere. One whack here and there is more normal. A two year old attacking like that is not.

I'd be raging if my child came home from nursery like that. But no danger would I ever send her back. How the hell did none of the staff see it?!

 

[smelly07]

Its definitely not the 2 year olds fault.........the parents need to be investigated and the 2 year old needs help.


And i agree with lightworker ........why go to the press for goodness sakes.

 

[nosocks]

I worked in a foundation stage where there was a 3 year old girl who could be very violent towards staff and other children and it was such a difficult situation. We felt awful that other children were at risk of being bitten, scratch, their hair pulled etc and it was impossible to prevent it from happening especially as she would often just flip without warning- if another child accidentally knocked into them for instance.
We worked so hard with her mother too. She was a single parent who also found it hard to deal with her daughters behaviour..... She was sent home on a few occasions but at some point I guess if other children are suffering something would have to be done to protect them. I have left the school but I think she ended up in a school with specialist care for children with complex behaviour issues.
I just think its such a difficult situation for everyone involved and agree that it's not the Childs fault- but it may not necessarily be the parents either and the nursery may be doing all that they can.
In the uk- before children are 5 and in school it can be very difficult to get adequate support for additional needs from outside agencies unless you fight very hard or have someone to fight very hard for you- which many parents won't have the confidence or support to do so.

 

[JASMAK]

Makes me wonder what's happening in this little girls life at home. I mean, there are two year olds that hit...but that is some serious damage, but more concerning...where the hell was the supervision for these girls, espesially since there is KNOWN activity here??? Why would they even let them be in the same room alone? End of the day...I blame the child care ultimately, for lack of supervision, however, I would think a home visit to be sure there is no abuse etc. going on at home, where this is learned.

 

[MikaylasMummy]

yikes!!if that was my child i would be furious.and to be completely honest if i had not recieved a satisfactory response and action from the nursery and/or the parents of the child i would probably go to the media as well. the child having been attacked seemingly by the same two year old a bunch of times prior as well as others being attacked as well this child should have been watched like a hawk or im sorry to say it removed from being with the other children. i do feel sorry for the two year old who obviously has some serious behavioural issues however that should not jepordise the safety of the other kids.the little girls face was so bad and especially being such bad bites that is dangerous!and yes the little girl could have had her eye sight damaged!

 

[Ozzieshunni]

I saw this on the BBC. They were interveiewing parents. Some were saying they standby the teachers and others were saying that they thought their children were supposed to be safe at the school. They also showed a report by the school saying this little girl had been attacked numerous times by different children. I think the school is at fault. I know working in a preschool or nursery is difficult and you have to have eyes everywhere, but I think the teachers should have paid closer attention if they knew this girl was at risk. Also, why wasn't the child pulled off the little girl before they caused that much damage? There are too many unanswered questions.

 

[Ilikecake]

I had the same thought Ozzie, she must of been on her for a few minutes to cause that much damage, where were her teachers?! If the girl is known to attack kids, you don't take your eyes off of her for that long.

 

[Ozzieshunni]

Also, the other way around. If you know a little girl is being targeted, you watch that little girl too. Seems to be common sense to me I know from experience that there are ratios for teachers to children. If I remember, 2 year olds require a 1:3 ratio and 3-5 year olds require a 1:6 ratio. Where were these teachers?

 

[nosocks]

I'm afraid those ratios don't exist in the uk....
4&5 year olds is 1:30.... 2&3 year olds will be less but nowhere near 1:3.
I 100% agree both children should've been watched closely but we shouldn't judge too quickly and say they weren't.... There so many factors to take into consideration here and we don't know the full story.
From my experience in a school with many children from disadvantaged backgrounds and lots of challenging behaviour.... What it ultimately comes down to is the funding from the LA.
if there isn't enough money for enough staff, or enough training, or enough intervention.... These things will continue to happen.
This kind of thing happened at my school and I can guarantee it wasn't through lack of care or attention- it was lack of support from outside the classroom.

 

[Ozzieshunni]

That's very odd that you say ratios don't exist because I was working in a preschool in Scotland and the ratios were set by the SSSC.

 

[nosocks]

Are Scotland and England different? I'm just going by the EYFS. I had a quick look and 2 year olds 1:4.... 3+ was 1:13 if a teacher is present and then in mainstream school 4&5 year olds in reception- its 1:30
I think the ratios are appalling. I worked in reception and often found myself alone with 30 4 year olds.... It is an impossible task to be able to have eyes on every child. We survived on having volunteers and students to make life easier- the school just didn't have the budget to supply teaching assistants.
I can't imagine having 13 3 year olds and expect to make sure they were all safe let alone nurtured!

I was really intrigued by what you said and had a quick look at sssc and they are very different.... I definately think england need to follow scotlands example.

 

[Ozzieshunni]

It's that way in California as well. I was the lead teacher and my assistant teacher and I were responsible for 12 3-5 year olds, if everyone came that day. I found it relatively easy to look after six children at once. What's really appauling is that some elementary school teachers have to manage 25-30 five year olds in kindergarten and up.

 

[nosocks]

I agree.... On a basic level of just making sure everyone is safe and happy- 1:30 will be difficult, but for a teacher to ensure that all the children are actually learning- impossible.

 

[AirForceWife7]

This is awful.

 

[tallybee]

I feel bad for everyone concerned in this The girl who has been hurt obviously, and her parents who must be raging, I know I would be if my child had came back from nursery like that! Also, the kid who did it must be needing guidance which isn't happening I also feel bad for the nursery staff, so many people are criticising them but as has been said the staff-to-child ratios are shocking and it's all down to funding. Nursery staff aren't the highest paid by a long shot anyway, but budget-squeezing means even fewer are there, and the job they're expected to do is near-impossible with the numbers they are expected to care for.

The whole thing shows how badly we are all being failed by the system!

 

[Laura2919]

I dont think the parents did anything wrong by releasing it to the press! Why shouldnt they draw attention to the life this little girl has because clearly there is an issue at home.
I have two two year olds and yes they can hit one another but never to that extent. Wow! I'd definitely say that child has some issues which need addressing and until they are I wouldnt want to put my children in the same class as her.

Your first instinct is to protect your child and you would not feel comfortable with leaving your child around another child who was capable of such things regardless of age She might be only two but look at the marks she left.

 

[Laura2919]

That's very odd that you say ratios don't exist because I was working in a preschool in Scotland and the ratios were set by the SSSC.

Yeah dont mean they stick to them. Chloe and Jaycee were in a private nursery from June 2009 until October 2011 at first in the baby room the ratio was 1:3 and most of the time it was strict.
As soon as they moved upstairs the ratio went to 1:4 but in the mornings I would drop them off and it was 1:8 and on a worse day it was 1:11 I refused to leave the girls until another member of staff came as there was way too many for one to control.