Babies that were due in may 2012

[YoungNImum]

fab zephy do the wake for feeds at the same time?

im really very lucky both my girls sleep well. my eldest sleeps 8-8 an rosalie gets her last feed at 8 then bed an thats her till 7:30-8:00 luckily shes slept through from 5weeks x

 

[zephyr]

Nah, different times but OH gets up to Aria most of the time and I get up to Max.

They are on different wake and feed times during the day too and I have tried so hard to mesh them together but I think as long as Max is breastfeeding and Aria is bottle feeding its not gunna happen.

Wow lucky you! Thats a pretty decent sleep

 

[yazzy]

Youngni ~ Lola is doing great now thanks. A little snuffly but her temp went down and today she seems her normal self. However I, my mum and sister have all caught her cold lol!

Lots of babies doing well at night. Lola generally wakes up once but it can be more if she's hungry. She is just starting to want her arms free at night so she can suck her thumb/fingers but she is settling ok like that once she has a little fight from sleep!

 

[zephyr]

yazzy - great to hear Lola is doing better sorry everyone else has caught it now though

I phoned the lady at the hospital just before to try and get more info on the soy issue and they seem very reluctant to give it out! It took a lot of me questioning to get "Well its not really a complete formula and for her age and weight its not an appropiate feed, we like to put her on what is best for her at this time, when shes over 6 months that is something we can look at"
Sooooo why do supermarkets sell it then? I understand the whole money making thing, but if it were that bad then why doesn't it say "not for under 6 months"

Anyways the conversation was basically the same as Friday, shes dropped down to about 600 to 800 mls in 24 hours over the weekend and her puke just reeks of acid, and she screams blue murder when she vomits.
She did drink a 200ml bottle this morning though, first time since we started the pepti, so hopefully her volume increases to the 1000 ml a day mark
I have an appointment to go into the clinic in a week or two (its being sent out) and she said hopefully by then everything has settled down and she is better.
If her volume intake drops any lower I have to ring straight away.

So theres my update, I feel like we took two steps forward and a step back almost, she even woke during the night last night but never did that on soy.
But in saying that, looking back on it, she was rather sleepy and sluggish on soy, so even though it appeared to be better for her.....maybe theres something I am just missing here and it wasn't that great after all?
Gahh I don't know.....I just want my baby fixed, it frustrates me that shes almost 3 months old now and we are still having issues and just when we think everything will be okay, someone bursts our bubble.
I realise at the end of the day its my choice and I could just put her on the soy but I also have to follow doctors orders and if they advise me what to do and I ignore it and it actually turns out there's something else going on, I would never forgive myself, so we have to stick this out.

Apologies for the moan! haha I have been doing a lot of that lately, getting a bit run down I think. OH's weekend off starts tomorrow so yay! I get a break at last!

 

[wavescrash]

Ladies, I need some advice. Whenever I post in the "Baby club", I get less advice and more "do what the baby wants" which is not working for us. So I figured I'd ask here as you are more helpful and less judgmental It's a bit lengthy so I apologize.

Hannah's going to be 3 months old at the end of the week and I really think it's time we get her on more of a set schedule. We're feeding on demand (bottle fed, roughly 4 oz every 3 hours with a 5 oz bottle before bed) and some days she only takes a total of 20 oz (like yesterday) or some days she takes 27 (like today.) She's not eating as much as she should for her weight but she's gaining weight okay according to her doctor and we offer more than enough, she just doesn't take it. We'll try for an hour to get her to take the last ounce or two but she'll refuse. She's going to bed anywhere between 7 and 11 pm and usually sleeps 7-8 hours a night.

I know at her age, she should be going to bed regularly between 6-7 pm and that babies usually sleep better/longer if they go to bed around this time. We have a somewhat established bedtime routine (every other night she gets a bath and then every night she gets lotioned up, new diaper, bottle, bed) but my question comes in because we feed on demand.


How am I supposed to get her to bed around 7 pm every night if she has a bottle at 5 pm and then would be due to eat again at 8? If I let 5 pm be her last bottle, then she's DEFINITELY not getting enough to eat each day. What I read tonight said to put baby to bed between 6 and 7 pm, they should wake around 7 or 8 am and then have 2-3 scheduled & regular naps in a day. They say to put baby down for a nap around the same time every day (or follow tired cues, which is what I do already) but I'm not sure how to regulate her feeding to coincide with scheduled naps and a regular bedtime.

What am I supposed to be doing with my child? I feel like a total idiot not knowing how I'm supposed to do this seeing as I have a 6 year old and I did it by myself with her at this age.

ALSO - how can I get her to sleep in her crib? She currently sleeps (at night) in an inclined sleeper next to our bed and will sleep through the night. Usually she'll take one nap on me on the couch (so I can nap too) and she usually naps really well then. For all naps after that, she winds up fitfully napping in her swing. I've tried to get her to play in her crib so that she becomes familiar with it. She has a mirror on the side and another toy attached to the side. I've put toys of hers that we play with in there to show her it's a safe place, it's her place. I've had her nap in there for maybe a half hour one time but otherwise, she just lays there and fusses or cries/screams. I've tried going in there and rubbing her belly, calmly telling her it's okay and I'm here but that it's nap time and walking out when she calmed down. I could repeat it for over an hour and she still won't fall asleep. I don't know how to get her to sleep/nap in her crib.

Her pediatrician and both OH & I want her to be sleeping in her crib around the 3 month mark. I figured easing her in with naps would be a great start/transition but that's not working so there's no way a nighttime is going to work.

 

[yazzy]

Zephyr I'm not sure completely about the soy but I imagine it doesn't contain the correct amount of fats and nutrients for a baby under 6 months, hence Aria being sluggish on it. I think in general we aren't meant to overdo the soy products aswell. Its a shame the goats milk doesn't work as that would have been really good for her. I can imagine your frustration and it must be upsetting to see her unhappy when having to sick up her milk. Can you see a nutritionist that specialises in babies?

Waves I'm not sure what to suggest as I'm very much if the baby needs something she gets it. I want Lola in my room until 6 months so she has to go upstairs when we do. However she generally gets sleepy around 7pm so I get her changed for bed around then but I will feed on demand and let her get in her own routine for food. I think I could never be hungry at the exact same time each day so she can't either.

Lola slept 8 1/2 hours between feeds last night yay! However by 4am this morning I was desperate for her to wake up because my boobs felt like they might burst lol! Now she's having morning snuggles all our baby groups have finished for the summer so am recreating them at home!

Hope you are all well

 

[anti]

Zephyr that must be so annoying! Poor aria!! Hope all this clears up soon for you all. How frustrating!!

Waves I have no advice I'm afraid. I feed ashlynn on demand and we usually get her ready for bed around 7, depending if she's awake or not and then she goes down between 7:30 and 9:30. Usually closer to 8. She's put herself into that routine. Hoping it'll become more rigid by the time she's 4 months old but I'm not trying to put her into a strict routine yet. And coz I express I know how much she's eating everyday and it varies a lot anywhere between 20 and 35oz. One day she had 38oz!! Id say she averages around 27oz a day. Not sure if thats enough but she only drinks what she wants and is growing well.

 

[zephyr]

Yeah I think that is who we are seeing, someone who knows all about babies nutrition, based at the hospital.
I'm gutted about the goats milk too, but after a few weeks on it we just ended up back right where we started cos it stopped working.
OH is not impressed at all that we have gone back to a during the night feed, she woke again last night for one.

We were told to mix a bit of soy in so she will drink it, but shes still only really snacking when she is hungry so she spends most of the time screaming.
We were told to add maple syrup or golden syrup into her bottles to try and get her to drink them and then reduce the amount once she is drinking it, but that still doesn't sound very good!
Anyways I am off to get some maple syrup today as the mixing soy with the pepti just isn't working now.
I tasted it yesterday to see what the fuss is about and I really don't blame her, compared to the other formulas it is gross!!!

I think Max is having a growth spurt, he wont stop feeding! He also wont stop biting me!! Hes been doing it from day dot but its just getting sorer now and I think once his teeth pop through if I can't get him to stop it then I will probably switch him to the bottle.

Hope everyone is well!

 

[yazzy]

Zephyr I was talking to my mum about the trouble you are having because with my sister she had bad bad reflux and colic. Basically she would feed a bottle and my sister would projectile vomit and it would actually hit the other side of the room! My sister also screamed for hours on end through discomfort. The only thing that worked for my mum and sister was unpasturised cows milk. She said although they don't recommend cows milk and especially unpasturised it worked and what else do you do when your baby needs it.

I've had barely any sleep, its been so hot here that even in a vest Lola has been sweating and really snuffly. Forgot her infacol too so she has had a bit of wind which equals no sleep for me. She is however now fast asleep on my chest lol.

 

[YoungNImum]

Nah, different times but OH gets up to Aria most of the time and I get up to Max.

They are on different wake and feed times during the day too and I have tried so hard to mesh them together but I think as long as Max is breastfeeding and Aria is bottle feeding its not gunna happen.

Wow lucky you! Thats a pretty decent sleep

Ah right, you must be shattered, i automaticaly thought they would feed an sleep at same times x

Youngni ~ Lola is doing great now thanks. A little snuffly but her temp went down and today she seems her normal self. However I, my mum and sister have all caught her cold lol!

Lots of babies doing well at night. Lola generally wakes up once but it can be more if she's hungry. She is just starting to want her arms free at night so she can suck her thumb/fingers but she is settling ok like that once she has a little fight from sleep!

glad to hear she's all well now hope you get better soon x

Ladies, I need some advice. Whenever I post in the "Baby club", I get less advice and more "do what the baby wants" which is not working for us. So I figured I'd ask here as you are more helpful and less judgmental It's a bit lengthy so I apologize.

Hannah's going to be 3 months old at the end of the week and I really think it's time we get her on more of a set schedule. We're feeding on demand (bottle fed, roughly 4 oz every 3 hours with a 5 oz bottle before bed) and some days she only takes a total of 20 oz (like yesterday) or some days she takes 27 (like today.) She's not eating as much as she should for her weight but she's gaining weight okay according to her doctor and we offer more than enough, she just doesn't take it. We'll try for an hour to get her to take the last ounce or two but she'll refuse. She's going to bed anywhere between 7 and 11 pm and usually sleeps 7-8 hours a night.

I know at her age, she should be going to bed regularly between 6-7 pm and that babies usually sleep better/longer if they go to bed around this time. We have a somewhat established bedtime routine (every other night she gets a bath and then every night she gets lotioned up, new diaper, bottle, bed) but my question comes in because we feed on demand.


How am I supposed to get her to bed around 7 pm every night if she has a bottle at 5 pm and then would be due to eat again at 8? If I let 5 pm be her last bottle, then she's DEFINITELY not getting enough to eat each day. What I read tonight said to put baby to bed between 6 and 7 pm, they should wake around 7 or 8 am and then have 2-3 scheduled & regular naps in a day. They say to put baby down for a nap around the same time every day (or follow tired cues, which is what I do already) but I'm not sure how to regulate her feeding to coincide with scheduled naps and a regular bedtime.

What am I supposed to be doing with my child? I feel like a total idiot not knowing how I'm supposed to do this seeing as I have a 6 year old and I did it by myself with her at this age.

ALSO - how can I get her to sleep in her crib? She currently sleeps (at night) in an inclined sleeper next to our bed and will sleep through the night. Usually she'll take one nap on me on the couch (so I can nap too) and she usually naps really well then. For all naps after that, she winds up fitfully napping in her swing. I've tried to get her to play in her crib so that she becomes familiar with it. She has a mirror on the side and another toy attached to the side. I've put toys of hers that we play with in there to show her it's a safe place, it's her place. I've had her nap in there for maybe a half hour one time but otherwise, she just lays there and fusses or cries/screams. I've tried going in there and rubbing her belly, calmly telling her it's okay and I'm here but that it's nap time and walking out when she calmed down. I could repeat it for over an hour and she still won't fall asleep. I don't know how to get her to sleep/nap in her crib.

Her pediatrician and both OH & I want her to be sleeping in her crib around the 3 month mark. I figured easing her in with naps would be a great start/transition but that's not working so there's no way a nighttime is going to work.

I might be able to help

Her not taking the last oz or 2 at the end of every bottle could be that you may need to change her to size 2 teats, alot of babies get tired of having to suck like hell to get to the milk and most of the time doze over.

I always put Rosalie into her cot after her 8:00(her feed before bedtime) feed. why not give her the 8:00 feed? might fill her up alittle more for her to sleep longer without walking with hunger pains.

hope something of the above might help, and please dont think im a no it all x

 

[YoungNImum]

Rosalie has slept 8-8 two night in a row, and is now taking 7oz x

 

[zephyr]

Yay! thats pretty good nights sleep there!

Yep I'm shattered, Me and OH catching every cold going round cos we are so run down but we know eventually it will get better so we are just trying o push through.

Right now Max is in the Moby wrap on me, I'm holding Aria in one arm and I'm rocking while typing one handed standing up, stopping every minute or two to type lol why i have not lost the baby weight yet is beyond me, in fact I've put on weight.

We tried 5 mls maple syrup and she drank full 200 ml bottles two feeds but she is back tpo hating the tadste again and refuses till she starving. I'm sure I have the fussiest baby ever, definitely my hardest!

 

[zephyr]

She isnt puking tho! which is great

 

[luci and bump]

We're having a very tough day today decided things had to change, as Evie would happily spend her entire day attached to my boob, feeding and comfort sucking. Friday she spent 12 hours on my nipple!
I went to a breastfeeding support clinic and spoke to a lactation consultant, who said because she is constantly eating, she never has a full meal, she just snacks, filling her tummy as it empties. She suggested feeding her for an hour (30 minutes each side) and then distracting her for 2 hours, before feeding her for another hour. We're on our third lot of 2 hour wait, and she's been crying for over an hour Apparently it'll take about 48 hours to fully see the benefits. I'm not sure I can do this for another day and a half!! Part of the problem is that she falls asleep during feeds, and nothing I can do will keep her awake!!! Am struggling so hard with hearing her cry

 

[yazzy]

Luci are you sure they wanted you to leave her to cry? Everything I've read suggests the opposite. If she's going through a growth spurt she will be attached to you constantly as that is how they get your body to produce the right amount of milk.

Does she settle if you take her out for a walk in her pram?

 

[luci and bump]

I said I thought she was going through a growth spurt, but apparently that wouldn't have lasted over a week. If we rock her, or put her in her swing, she doesn't cry, and she'll suck our fingers happily, but won't take a dummy. I just don't know what to do for the best! I can't live my life with a baby constantly attached to my boob (some days even going to the toilet is hard) but I don't want my baby to be sad if she can't eat! I have a feeling if I go to another support clinic (there are different ones every week day in different locations), that they'll give me completely different advice! I just wish she would get in the habit of eating until she's full, and then having a rest!

 

[zephyr]

Maybe you could stretch the time in between by 10 minutes till its two hours?
She might not notice that way, and listening to her cry for 10 minutes is better than an hour I personally hate letting my babies cry and an hour seems too long, and yes every expert gives you different advice, its ends up so confusing. I would do whatever feels comfortable for you

I dont have much experience with growth spurts, for me they only lasted a few days but if you believe its one then maybe ride it out another few days just on case? I hope whatever it is passes soon!

 

[KendraNoell]

Are you totally against topping off with formula? Might keep her fuller longer between feeds/

 

[luci and bump]

Are you totally against topping off with formula? Might keep her fuller longer between feeds/

Thats just it, I'm not against it at all! Until about 10 days ago she was having about 8oz of formula a day. She just point blank refuses to take a bottle now. She screams and coughs and splutters now, and I don't want to force her.

I decided to alter it slightly to make it work for us. I always maintained I would feed on demand, but I literally can't take another 12 hour feed. So now I feed her for 30 mins (15 mins each side) and then wait an hour. That way she doesn't start crying between feeds, and we can get out of the house, as she normally goes longer between feeds outside. 2 hours was just too long to make her wait, and she was falling asleep during the 30 min feeds.
Her poo seems to have gone very runny though, and a very dark yellowy brown. Its almost pure water, yet she's straining to get it out. Am going to call the health visitor in the morning I think.

 

[rjsmam]

hey everyone,

been mia for a while, things are just hectic...

luci - sorry about the troubles you're having, hearing them cry is so hard - hope you get some good advice from the hv

youngni - am v envious of that full nights sleep!! well done! Eva still only does 4/5hrs max which generally decreases

zephyr - hoping Aria adjusts to the taste soon - you've really been through the ringer with her feeds

Yesterday was a bit of a disaster for us... Eva had her first injections yesterday am. To quote the nurse 'i knew she was gonna be a screamer'.... She cried during them but wasn't that bad after. However later that afternoon she cried terribly then was sick, more than she's ever been sick in her wee life. I gave her calpol which was really odd, she was so surprised at the medicine in her mouth! At bed time she was sick all over me, so much that i had to strip everything off including my underwear! This coincided with the departure of one of our kittens, going to its new home. I'd already explained to my 9yr old that it was going & why we couldn't keep it & he seemed fine about it, was out playing when it went & seemed nonplussed. Then an hr or so after he became inconsolably upset crying that it'd gone - Eva was crying - then barfed all over me! Dh was of course out of town with his impeccable timing!

Hoping today is a better day!

Axx