Car seat safety issue

[loeylo]

If you opt for a new seat, try Diono. My little man has yet to reach the escape artist stage but my sister has a 4 and 2 year old. Miss 2 is a bit of a little mischief but even she can't escape that seat or it's chest clip. They are expensive (around $600NZ) BUT in saying that, should you decide to, the Rainian (I've got the seat down so I have to replace it in about a year) is up to 90lb rear facing and 120lb forward facing. They do have a aluminium frame and a lot of side impact padding in the event of an accident. A lot of money and a 10 year life span (in NZ anyway) but the safety features far outweigh the price or anything else I have ever used. The other side of the coin if you choose not to replace the seat is buying a Houdini Strap. My DS2 was an escape artist too but he couldn't get past that. If I had known about Diono when he was little, that would have been all I invested in.

Thanks for the idea but I'm not comfortable using a car seat which isn't isofix and from what I can see the diono is belted. I have heard really good things about it in the past though!

Isofix has a weight limit. Did you know? Locking belts or a belt with a locking clip is 100% as safe as isofox. Isofix got popular because of peoples ignorance about installing correctly with belts. All of my seats are installed using belts with locking clips and are in solid as a rock.

My dd is tiny for her age (weight and height) and our seat goes to 4 years rear facing with isofix. I'd reckon she will be at least 5 before she is 18.5kg, which is the weight limit for our seat, at which point I will probably be okay with her facing forward.

 

[loeylo]

Impact shields are horrendously dangerous. My friend Bruce does crash tests with carseats. Kids can submarine under the bottom or go shooting out the top.

You can not add Houdini clips, they are an aftermarket product. I am l shocked the company told you to add on a harness, unless it is their brand and safety testes with their seat!

If the seat wasn't tested with these items, the manual should state not to add them. The laws of most countries say you must follow the instructions of the carseat manufacturer. I would presume most westernised places would say this.

This article is from The USA I think but it is helpful.

As for the arms out, I'm of the camp that I'm the boss. I would stop that car and get very angry. I don't negotiate with dangerous carseat practices!

The five point harness has been tested by many seat manufacturers and is approved for use by the manufacturer of our car seat. https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/chi...ld-car-seat-safety/child-car-seat-accessories

It's really not as simple as "I'm the boss" - we use the car several times a day. She can escape within about 30 seconds. She is too young to understand "why" we are asking her not to escape, and getting "angry" is hardly going to help. The more worked up she gets, the more she tries to escape. I don't raise my voice at her, period. I also don't "negotiate" and I don't know what gave you the idea that I did? But it is unrealistic to stop the car every 30 seconds, so we need a solution other than just to get angry and tell her not to. 20 months is way too young to understand the implications of danger, and my daughter is what you might call "spirited" (aka she is a wild child)

 

[CRWx]

NM.

 

[minties]

Can you buy an American standard seat then? Of you're not prepared to correct the behavior. Maybe a chest clip would help.

Still not sure what your worry about seatbelts are. Isofix also has different limits in different cars. It isn't just the seat itself.

 

[minties]

These impact shield images really should put anyone off.

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[loeylo]

Can you buy an American standard seat then? Of you're not prepared to correct the behavior. Maybe a chest clip would help.

Still not sure what your worry about seatbelts are. Isofix also has different limits in different cars. It isn't just the seat itself.

I can't buy an American seat because I'm in the U.K. And we have a new (strict) car seat law so we have a fairly limited market, and to be compliant with isize legislation the seat must have an isofix base. Ours flashes green to show each sector is installed correctly. Only 20% of belted seats are installed correctly compared to 94% of isofix. Plus, I want to future proof the car seat for when isize becomes law rather than a recommendation. This link explains it https://www.madeformums.com/reviews...-car-seats---what-you-need-to-know/37718.html

Chest clips are illegal here.

It's not that I'm not prepared to correct the behaviour, obviously I'm working on that, I'm not an idiot. I know that my 20 month old doesn't have the capacity to understand the concept of danger, and with both parents working full time we need a fast solution to our problem that doesn't involve stopping every 30 seconds. Right now I'm in the back seat with her holding her in and quite frankly it's ridiculous.

 

[Twag]

I have a Joie iSize seat and now I am quite worried and I am going to look into the FB group I got this seat when DD was born as it was iSize and I thought she would be safe in it and now I am worrying she will not be

I hope you find a solution soon my DD is 19 months also very spirited (and no she does not understand danger either) thankfully she hasn't worked out how to get out of her seat (yet)

Good luck x

 

[loeylo]

I have a Joie iSize seat and now I am quite worried and I am going to look into the FB group I got this seat when DD was born as it was iSize and I thought she would be safe in it and now I am worrying she will not be

I hope you find a solution soon my DD is 19 months also very spirited (and no she does not understand danger either) thankfully she hasn't worked out how to get out of her seat (yet)

Good luck x

That's how I feel too.

I called joie today who confirmed she is strapped in correctly. After fighting with them they have (reluctantly) agreed to replace her seat with the trillo (with the impact shield)

I'm pretty unhappy with all options right now to be honest. We tried her in literally about 10 car seats today, she is too small for all impact shield seats we could find except the cybex one, and she HATED the cybex- plus, we really struggled to actually get her in it as she just wiggled down instantly. The woman was also concerned about the way she could get down so low on it. She got out of every single five point harness in three shops, even the cosatto anti escape system. Mamas and papas told me not to use a chest clip under any circumstances, as did joie. Pram centre (worryingly) weren't aware they were illegal.

... in other words, it appears there is no suitable car seat at this stage! 😭

 

[Twag]

Arghhhhh what a nightmare! I hope you find a solution - I heard the clips were illegal because it makes it harder to get the child out of the car seat in the case of an emergency!

Good luck hopefully someone on the FB group will have an idea

 

[Rainbow82]

I have a Joie iSize seat and now I am quite worried and I am going to look into the FB group I got this seat when DD was born as it was iSize and I thought she would be safe in it and now I am worrying she will not be

I hope you find a solution soon my DD is 19 months also very spirited (and no she does not understand danger either) thankfully she hasn't worked out how to get out of her seat (yet)

Good luck x

That's how I feel too.

I called joie today who confirmed she is strapped in correctly. After fighting with them they have (reluctantly) agreed to replace her seat with the trillo (with the impact shield)

I'm pretty unhappy with all options right now to be honest. We tried her in literally about 10 car seats today, she is too small for all impact shield seats we could find except the cybex one, and she HATED the cybex- plus, we really struggled to actually get her in it as she just wiggled down instantly. The woman was also concerned about the way she could get down so low on it. She got out of every single five point harness in three shops, even the cosatto anti escape system. Mamas and papas told me not to use a chest clip under any circumstances, as did joie. Pram centre (worryingly) weren't aware they were illegal.

... in other words, it appears there is no suitable car seat at this stage! 😭

Oh no, what a nightmare! I I'm glad they replaced the seat for you though and hope the trillo keeps her strapped safe, it's terrifying how fast they can escape and at 25 months I have to say my DS still has no understanding of the fact that unstrapping is dangerous. We swapped our seat for the be safe izi kid I size and love it. So far he hasn't managed to get out.

 

[lau86]

I haven't read all the replies but if the straps are tight enough how is she able to escape? Doesn't sound safe at all!!

 

[loeylo]

I haven't read all the replies but if the straps are tight enough how is she able to escape? Doesn't sound safe at all!!

I think she has narrow shoulders. She has been fitted in several car seats by several manufacturers (Joie, Cybex, Britax and Cosatto are ones which spring to mind but I think there are more tbh!) and has been secured in by myself, my partner and car seat specialists (in Mamas and Papas and Glasgow Pram Centre) and even the store managers at both stores were gobsmacked at the fact that she could escape any seat they tried, even the Cosatto five point plus anti escape system.

 

[loeylo]

I have a Joie iSize seat and now I am quite worried and I am going to look into the FB group I got this seat when DD was born as it was iSize and I thought she would be safe in it and now I am worrying she will not be

I hope you find a solution soon my DD is 19 months also very spirited (and no she does not understand danger either) thankfully she hasn't worked out how to get out of her seat (yet)

Good luck x

That's how I feel too.

I called joie today who confirmed she is strapped in correctly. After fighting with them they have (reluctantly) agreed to replace her seat with the trillo (with the impact shield)

I'm pretty unhappy with all options right now to be honest. We tried her in literally about 10 car seats today, she is too small for all impact shield seats we could find except the cybex one, and she HATED the cybex- plus, we really struggled to actually get her in it as she just wiggled down instantly. The woman was also concerned about the way she could get down so low on it. She got out of every single five point harness in three shops, even the cosatto anti escape system. Mamas and papas told me not to use a chest clip under any circumstances, as did joie. Pram centre (worryingly) weren't aware they were illegal.

... in other words, it appears there is no suitable car seat at this stage! ðŸ˜*

Oh no, what a nightmare! I I'm glad they replaced the seat for you though and hope the trillo keeps her strapped safe, it's terrifying how fast they can escape and at 25 months I have to say my DS still has no understanding of the fact that unstrapping is dangerous. We swapped our seat for the be safe izi kid I size and love it. So far he hasn't managed to get out.

They are only letting us change to the trillo if we can try her in it and she can't escape. I have tried literally every retailer in west central Scotland and nobody has it in stock, which is worrying in itself imo. They have the high back booster version, but not the stage 1,2,3 which is what we need. Aaaargh! I don't know what else to do.

Does anyone know about possibly contacting rospa/ the fire brigade/the police for advice?

 

[lau86]

Can she go in a baby car seat?

 

[loeylo]

Can she go in a baby car seat?

Those still have 5 point harnesses and I thought most limited out at 9kg? According to her red book she is 10kg and 79cm

 

[Rainbow82]

She's the same height/weight as my DS. An group 0 infant seat isn't actually a bad idea. My DS maxicosi cabriofix goes up to 13kg and he's not too tall for it just yet. It is still a harness system but the straps are much closer together at the neck so it's harder for them to wiggle their shoulders out. Obviously it wouldn't be a long term solution but if you have one hanging around it might be worth a try. It's so frustrating looking for a car seat.

 

[loeylo]

She's the same height/weight as my DS. An group 0 infant seat isn't actually a bad idea. My DS maxicosi cabriofix goes up to 13kg and he's not too tall for it just yet. It is still a harness system but the straps are much closer together at the neck so it's harder for them to wiggle their shoulders out. Obviously it wouldn't be a long term solution but if you have one hanging around it might be worth a try. It's so frustrating looking for a car seat.

I don't know that we do have one, we used the joie from birth as her main seat and we used a cheap one which came with our travel system as a spare but the weight is definitely 9kg on that one. I think that SIL might have an old Mamas and Papas that goes to 13kg so I might try that, hopefully by th time she is 13kg she might have a better understanding of "sit down and keep your arms in or you will get hurt" - although knowing her she probably won't care!

 

[Rainbow82]

She's the same height/weight as my DS. An group 0 infant seat isn't actually a bad idea. My DS maxicosi cabriofix goes up to 13kg and he's not too tall for it just yet. It is still a harness system but the straps are much closer together at the neck so it's harder for them to wiggle their shoulders out. Obviously it wouldn't be a long term solution but if you have one hanging around it might be worth a try. It's so frustrating looking for a car seat.

I don't know that we do have one, we used the joie from birth as her main seat and we used a cheap one which came with our travel system as a spare but the weight is definitely 9kg on that one. I think that SIL might have an old Mamas and Papas that goes to 13kg so I might try that, hopefully by th time she is 13kg she might have a better understanding of "sit down and keep your arms in or you will get hurt" - although knowing her she probably won't care!

We are hoping the same thing although so far his new seat is much better, I think because he's more comfortable. At 25 mo he is getting better at us being able to just say no don't do it finally even though he doesn't understand why yet so hopefully your daughter will too.

 

[loeylo]

She's the same height/weight as my DS. An group 0 infant seat isn't actually a bad idea. My DS maxicosi cabriofix goes up to 13kg and he's not too tall for it just yet. It is still a harness system but the straps are much closer together at the neck so it's harder for them to wiggle their shoulders out. Obviously it wouldn't be a long term solution but if you have one hanging around it might be worth a try. It's so frustrating looking for a car seat.

I don't know that we do have one, we used the joie from birth as her main seat and we used a cheap one which came with our travel system as a spare but the weight is definitely 9kg on that one. I think that SIL might have an old Mamas and Papas that goes to 13kg so I might try that, hopefully by th time she is 13kg she might have a better understanding of "sit down and keep your arms in or you will get hurt" - although knowing her she probably won't care!

We are hoping the same thing although so far his new seat is much better, I think because he's more comfortable. At 25 mo he is getting better at us being able to just say no don't do it finally even though he doesn't understand why yet so hopefully your daughter will too.

She has a fairly good understanding of things (can follow instructions and use basic sentences) so I'm hoping that a better understanding isn't too far off. Thankfully she hasn't really experienced danger so doesn't understand yet!

 

[AnneD]

hopefully by th time she is 13kg she might have a better understanding of "sit down and keep your arms in or you will get hurt" - although knowing her she probably won't care!

Mine was 4 at that weight, so better understanding should definitely come by then.

I do think, however, that you need to make it very clear that getting her arms out etc. is not acceptable and that you are cross when she does it. You may need to sit in the back for a while and keep reinforcing it. I know you may not always have a second adult on every journey, so it may be difficult sometimes.