child benifits UK girls....not good news

[Laura2919]

Well I might sound harsh but if I as a working mother have to help pay back the deficit then so should everyone. SAHM or not. Everyone in some way or another has had something from this government whether it be housing benefit, council tax benefit, income tax, tax credits or CB..

How would you do that though? We get CB but that is that. We won't get CB anymore once the changes come in in another few years. But this would not apply to all SAHMs. What would I pay back or how would you see me paying back? Is my hubbys 40% tax not enough for our household contribution or my prior years of tax?

But thats my point your paying back through your tax whereas people on benefits havent paid back so I believe benefits should also be cut.

 

[indy and lara]

Well I might sound harsh but if I as a working mother have to help pay back the deficit then so should everyone. SAHM or not. Everyone in some way or another has had something from this government whether it be housing benefit, council tax benefit, income tax, tax credits or CB..

How would you do that though? We get CB but that is that. We won't get CB anymore once the changes come in in another few years. But this would not apply to all SAHMs. What would I pay back or how would you see me paying back? Is my hubbys 40% tax not enough for our household contribution or my prior years of tax?

But thats my point your paying back through your tax whereas people on benefits havent paid back so I believe benefits should also be cut.

I really was not looking to fight! I am just curious. I think that the people in the country often have more creative and fairer ideas about how to manage things like this than the politicians do!

I was asking because while OH pays tax, I don't as I am a SAHM and am not going back to work for another 18 months (hopefully). That is why I was asking if DH contribution would cover me or not?

 

[Blue_bumpkin]

It doesnt matter what we know its what they know. If they think that they are a SAHM claiming benefits because they dont trust childcare then to us thats not an excuse. Your claiming benefits if you are because you cannot work because of your child. Not because of a lame excuse like that.
My friend is a SAHM, she could go to work but she chooses not to and the reason being is because she will only be £50 better off a month.. personally IMO this is awful. I work because I have always been brought up like that and I wouldnt give up work and claim benefits. Even if I had an OH that could support me I would still work. Thats just me and how I am.
Its reasons like that that make the UK taxpayer angry that they are the only ones wrapped with the debt of this country.. And someone said income tax is the only fair tax. (on another thread) how? When there are people using excuses to be on benefits. Im sorry its just something I am passionate about.

I said it may not be a valid reason to not work full stop but it could be a very important contributing factor. And why shouldnt it be? If your going out and leaving your child with somewhat strangers for that entire time then I'd hope to at least have faith in the people caring for my child Why is that a bad thing? Just because it doesnt 'wash' with some people doesn't mean it isn't terribly important to someone else. Im not trying to convince other people as to whether or not it should be a reason not to work as thats not whats its about. I suffer panic attacks at the thought of Adam being in a car that is not driven by my dad. And if I thought he was in a taxi, for how ever short a time, I think id suffer a small heart attack. His safety, to me, just is that important. Maybe I take it to extremes, maybe, for example, my PND in your eyes is not a valid enough reason to not work but to me it is. As i said im not trying to convince all of you of that, because its not important. My reasons are my reasons. What I class as valid reasons and what you would class as valid reasons may differ greatly. That doesnt make either wrong.

That being said - out of genuine interest - is there any extremes that would be classed as going 'too far' for a job? Someone mentioned moving, well how far should someone be willing to go and how far is too far? How many hours a week working would be classed as too much? Everyone is different and im sure that someone could sit and say they'd travel half way around the world for a job and others might say they'd only travel to their neighbouring town, that doesnt necessary make the latter lazier. Noone on here knows everyone's individual circumstances to pass comment on whether they should be claiming benefits or not. That is for the Gov to decide.. Maybe the system does need an overhaul, maybe more cuts need to be made, maybe there are a million and one things that could be done to improve it but by in large those claiming are those in need and I for one am glad that we have that help should we need it.

 

[Laura2919]

As a mother of children in childcare I do think its a lame excuse. That is my opinion and it doesnt give them the right to sit at home and do nothing so that they dont have to put their children into a nursery. What are they going to do when a child needs to go to school? Not send them because they have no faith in that teacher? Oh no, its free thats where the difference comes in.
Im sorry I really dont mean to offend but I am passionate about this like I have said.
I was watching Panorama on Monday night and one girl got more in benefits than I earned in a week! How disgusting.
If you want to be on benefits it shouldnt be comfortable. I dont care who it is. I work and I get less but I aint about to give up my job and sit on my arse.
My mums worked her backside off for years and has now been made redundant by the met police and she cant even claim a single benefit even if she wanted to. Where is the fairness in that.
Luckily my dad has a good job and is able to financially support them until she finds something else but its not the point. she has worked from the moment she left school.

 

[My_First]

As a mother of children in childcare I do think its a lame excuse. That is my opinion and it doesnt give them the right to sit at home and do nothing so that they dont have to put their children into a nursery. What are they going to do when a child needs to go to school? Not send them because they have no faith in that teacher? Oh no, its free thats where the difference comes in.
Im sorry I really dont mean to offend but I am passionate about this like I have said.
I was watching Panorama on Monday night and one girl got more in benefits than I earned in a week! How disgusting.
If you want to be on benefits it shouldnt be comfortable. I dont care who it is. I work and I get less but I aint about to give up my job and sit on my arse.
My mums worked her backside off for years and has now been made redundant by the met police and she cant even claim a single benefit even if she wanted to. Where is the fairness in that.
Luckily my dad has a good job and is able to financially support them until she finds something else but its not the point. she has worked from the moment she left school.

Which is exactly why the new benefit system will be established so those who are on benefits will be better off by working and putting a child into childcare, than not.

The benefit system should be there for people who genuienly need it,(and maybe also those who have contributed only - but thats controversial) not those who have just decided that they dont want to work again. Its a ridiculous set of circumstances that we live like that and that benefots have become a life style choice as opposed to a tempoary measure.

 

[24/7]

And I do truely believe that benefits have become a lifestyle choice for some, and this isn't right....

 

[jenniferannex]

And I do truely believe that benefits have become a lifestyle choice for some, and this isn't right....

definatly agree!

 

[Hayley90]

And I do truely believe that benefits have become a lifestyle choice for some, and this isn't right....

definatly agree!

me three.... i could reel off examples but i'll get jumped on. x

 

[Serene123]

Do you know what makes me mad?

My OH is working 6-7 days a week so we're comfortable and we worked out we would be better off if he quit work.

That's NOT right.

He wouldn't quit work because he has been brought up to work, but it's sad that we would be better off and it would be easier for me to get my education if he stopped working and we let other people pay for us.

 

[Serene123]

Well I might sound harsh but if I as a working mother have to help pay back the deficit then so should everyone. SAHM or not. Everyone in some way or another has had something from this government whether it be housing benefit, council tax benefit, income tax, tax credits or CB..

You can have our £10.50 a week child tax credits ontop of our 10k+ a year tax if it makes you feel better about me being a SAHM.

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

I have Aidan in childcare, he LOVES it. He had come on leaps and bounds in all areas of development and his social skills are fantastic. Yes there are good and bad childcare facility's but when choosing childcare for your child it should be throughly researched, ofsted reports looked at, facilities toured and ask questions about the care your child would receive. There are good nurseys out there and if all of the above is done you will find them. Any responsible parent would throughly check out where they are sending their child anyway. If you look you will find a hood nursery so saying you will live off tax payer money because you want your child to be looked after by others to me is not a valid excuse. As I explained above if researched properly, you WILL find great nurseries, childminders etc. Again if your child is disabled that is a totally differny ball gane and my post was not directed at any mother with a disabled child x

 

[Serene123]

I don't think there's anything wrong with a mother being on benefits because she wants to bring up her child tbh. That's one thing I don't mind our taxes going on. I say ours, not sure I'm allowed to say ours as I'm a SAHM but you know what I mean.

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

And it has been Said so many times that we are talking about people who's WHOLE income is based on benefits and they are making no effort to study or work. Not SAHM mums that partners work or have something preventing them from studying/working.
Xc

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

I would love to stay at home and bring Aidan up, but I can't afford to. I want to teach him he has to work for his money notbhace it handed to him on a plate. Again I am talking about those whose whole income is benefits. Why would you have a child if you have no intention in paying for them at any point? Again people who can't work or have partners that work are totally differnt. If aidan had a disability I would be at home with him of course and if James earnt enough to support I would be a SAHM but he doesn't so I can't x

 

[Serene123]

Ah well, I can bitch about the benefits system until the cows come home, but my real issue is with us middle-income families being forgotten about

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

Being a working class famy I have no idea about the middle class lol x

 

[Serene123]

I don't think middle-income makes you middle-class?


Clueless about classes to be honest

 

[tallybee]

Well I might sound harsh but if I as a working mother have to help pay back the deficit then so should everyone. SAHM or not. Everyone in some way or another has had something from this government whether it be housing benefit, council tax benefit, income tax, tax credits or CB..

How would you do that though? We get CB but that is that. We won't get CB anymore once the changes come in in another few years. But this would not apply to all SAHMs. What would I pay back or how would you see me paying back? Is my hubbys 40% tax not enough for our household contribution or my prior years of tax?

I agree with everything indy and lara said here. All of it. We're in a similar situation. And nope, we are not well off. We are in a dire financial predicament, due in no small part to OH's ex; even just with the standard alimony payments we'd be struggling since none of it is accounted for when calculating for tax credits or anything else.

I don't do paid work, we have to manage as we are. I am studying for my Degree, and have children in primary and pre school. My youngest only gets afternoons at nursery. We have no family to help with childcare, and if I got a job, my wage would be swallowed up straight away by childcare fees! Where'd be the sense in that???

I'd also like to share a little piece of info with y'all, regarding SAHMs on Benefits. I was one of those for a time, before I met my OH. As now, there was no family available to help with the children. I wish my mother was still alive for many a reason other than this believe me.

I asked the Jobcentre to do some sums for me, and it turned out that it would have cost the Government, Taxpayer, whatever, MORE in Tax Credit help towards Childcare if I was in Work than the Benefits I relied on! Loopy, yes - but until decent, affordable childcare is universally available, to me it is just as loopy to criticise those whose options may not be as open as you first think.

There are some people on benefits who take the piss - think single people with nothing wrong with them scamming the sick, or those who have more kids than can be good for anyone... but not everyone should be tarred with the same brush.

In any case this thread was about child benefit, rather than benefits in general.

And - there are far greater money-drains under our very noses than Benefits.
It's an easy target!

 

[marley2580]

I don't think there's anything wrong with a mother being on benefits because she wants to bring up her child tbh. That's one thing I don't mind our taxes going on. I say ours, not sure I'm allowed to say ours as I'm a SAHM but you know what I mean.

I agree with you on this one tbh

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

I don't think there's anything wrong with a mother being on benefits because she wants to bring up her child tbh. That's one thing I don't mind our taxes going on. I say ours, not sure I'm allowed to say ours as I'm a SAHM but you know what I mean.

I agree with you on this one tbh

I agree too. Any single mum or dad does a fantastic job and I dont see a huge issue of it really. I hate the idea of couples on benefits for no other reason other than laziness though.