child benifits UK girls....not good news

[AppleBlossom]

Not read the whole thread but just adding my two cents worth

I'm glad the HIP grant is being scrapped. Absolute waste of taxpayers money. I didn't get it when I was pregnant and I managed just fine. And I seriously doubt anyone uses it to buy fruit and veg. The fact they are freezing CB doesn't bother me either. It only goes up by a tiny amount every year anyway so I don't think it will make much difference.

I am a single parent. I hate the Tories with a passion. So my opinions aren't biased based on that. I can't afford to work at the minute which is ridiculous. I would rather they sorted that out instead of giving everyone "free money." I agree that, although at the minute I don't pay taxes, I don't think that being a stay at home parent is the worst thing taxpayers money could be spent on. As a single mother myself I have to say that the beneifts system has served me well and although I don't get a lot, it keeps a roof over our heads and food on the table, which I am greatful for. I hate the fact though, that it also props up the lazy people who pop out as many kids as they fancy with no intention of ever repaying their debt to society by getting a job and earning their money and putting back into the tax system.

 

[tallybee]

Not read the whole thread but just adding my two cents worth

I'm glad the HIP grant is being scrapped. Absolute waste of taxpayers money. I didn't get it when I was pregnant and I managed just fine. And I seriously doubt anyone uses it to buy fruit and veg. The fact they are freezing CB doesn't bother me either. It only goes up by a tiny amount every year anyway so I don't think it will make much difference.

I am a single parent. I hate the Tories with a passion. So my opinions aren't biased based on that. I can't afford to work at the minute which is ridiculous. I would rather they sorted that out instead of giving everyone "free money." I agree that, although at the minute I don't pay taxes, I don't think that being a stay at home parent is the worst thing taxpayers money could be spent on. As a single mother myself I have to say that the beneifts system has served me well and although I don't get a lot, it keeps a roof over our heads and food on the table, which I am greatful for. I hate the fact though, that it also props up the lazy people who pop out as many kids as they fancy with no intention of ever repaying their debt to society by getting a job and earning their money and putting back into the tax system.

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

Ok so would it be totally acceptable for me to give up Uni stat at home and claim benefits until Aidan is older? I have been on benefits and it's not a easy path to take. It hard why would people choose that as a lifestyle choice if they can work?
ETA: I worded it wrong. Having been on brnefitsbis can be a very hard life. I wasn't always able to give AIdan everything I wanted and we often struggled to make ends meet. Why would someone choose that? X

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

Ok so would it be totally acceptable for me to give up Uni stat at home and claim benefits until Aidan is older? I have been on benefits and it's not a easy path to take. It hard why would people choose that as a lifestyle choice if they can work?
ETA: I worded it wrong. Having been on brnefitsbis can be a very hard life. I wasn't always able to give AIdan everything I wanted and we often struggled to make ends meet. Why would someone choose that? X

I guess its a choice where you weigh out the pros and cons. Its not quite as simple as waltzing into a job in a lot of cases x

 

[marley2580]

Ok so would it be totally acceptable for me to give up Uni stat at home and claim benefits until Aidan is older? I have been on benefits and it's not a easy path to take. It hard why would people choose that as a lifestyle choice if they can work?
ETA: I worded it wrong. Having been on brnefitsbis can be a very hard life. I wasn't always able to give AIdan everything I wanted and we often struggled to make ends meet. Why would someone choose that? X

Because, for some people, the benefits of staying at home with their kids outweigh the cons of having very little money etc. JMO

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

I think for me, my mum was always at home in the half terms, she helped at the school etc and things like that and it was an important factor for me to do the same if possible. I am grateful to have the chance and I believe my children have flourished due to this.

Of course a working mum is just as good parent, I am not suggesting that or anything of the sort but its just what's important to me xx

 

[My_First]

Ok so would it be totally acceptable for me to give up Uni stat at home and claim benefits until Aidan is older? I have been on benefits and it's not a easy path to take. It hard why would people choose that as a lifestyle choice if they can work?
ETA: I worded it wrong. Having been on brnefitsbis can be a very hard life. I wasn't always able to give AIdan everything I wanted and we often struggled to make ends meet. Why would someone choose that? X

Because, for some people, the benefits of staying at home with their kids outweigh the cons of having very little money etc. JMO

People are mising the point, nothing wrong with it, and I am sure the benefits far outweigh the cons, but not at the expense of the taxpayer.

Why should someone who has not worked/not working get that privalage, when I, financially, will not get given a bean by government, and will HAVE to go back to work to make sure my bills/mortage is paid, yet I have contrubted to the system all my life.

 

[My_First]

Ok so would it be totally acceptable for me to give up Uni stat at home and claim benefits until Aidan is older? I have been on benefits and it's not a easy path to take. It hard why would people choose that as a lifestyle choice if they can work?
ETA: I worded it wrong. Having been on brnefitsbis can be a very hard life. I wasn't always able to give AIdan everything I wanted and we often struggled to make ends meet. Why would someone choose that? X

I guess its a choice where you weigh out the pros and cons. Its not quite as simple as waltzing into a job in a lot of cases x

But no one knows until they try, which is why I am so glad the system is being shaken up. If someone can work, they should.

 

[Serene123]

So what do you propose? We take their benefits away and let their children starve?

The children are the innocent people in this, who are born into poorer families and potential poverty, and I wouldn't want to take food our of their mouths to make our (his!) taxes go down.

I think the bloody 20% VAT is enough for now and they should give it a rest with their cuts. As much as I love DC

 

[AppleBlossom]

Ok so would it be totally acceptable for me to give up Uni stat at home and claim benefits until Aidan is older? I have been on benefits and it's not a easy path to take. It hard why would people choose that as a lifestyle choice if they can work?
ETA: I worded it wrong. Having been on brnefitsbis can be a very hard life. I wasn't always able to give AIdan everything I wanted and we often struggled to make ends meet. Why would someone choose that? X

I think it's great you work hun. I genuinely wish I could. I am only a SAHM because, as a single parent, I cannot afford to work. Which is stupid. I think most other SAHM's don't work because they have a partner bringing in income so they don't have to rely on benefits. Personally even if I did have a partner's income I would still want to work, as much as I love G. I do understand how people like me end up being SAHM's because jobs are hard to come by and when they do come along, the financial benefits are pretty much non-existent. If I was to get a full time job I would lose money. I have been told I would be £50 better off if I worked. But after childcare fees I would actually end up worse off than I am on benefits. It's a terrible rut to get stuck in. And being on benefits isn't easy. I also see why people who could work choose to stay at home, if money isn't a worry for them. I suppose it's just preference, I would rather have a career personally but some women feel their place is at home with the kids and I don't see anything wrong with that if they're willing to make sacrifices in order to be with their children 24/7. But at the same time, I would never think badly of any mother who chose to work. Not every woman is content with children being their only thing in life and would prefer to balance that with their own career.

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

Ok so would it be totally acceptable for me to give up Uni stat at home and claim benefits until Aidan is older? I have been on benefits and it's not a easy path to take. It hard why would people choose that as a lifestyle choice if they can work?
ETA: I worded it wrong. Having been on brnefitsbis can be a very hard life. I wasn't always able to give AIdan everything I wanted and we often struggled to make ends meet. Why would someone choose that? X

I guess its a choice where you weigh out the pros and cons. Its not quite as simple as waltzing into a job in a lot of cases x

But no one knows until they try, which is why I am so glad the system is being shaken up. If someone can work, they should.

Yes I agree in some cases. I agree in a family of a couple that one parent should work if they can! I do think cases of single family's are slightly different. I think that in some cases they should support stay at home mums a little bit more and also the working mums. We all do a good job but yet we all feel punished in some ways by the government.

I for one would rather my OH pay more tax and have our country as it is and not covered in poverty. (I know we have poverty but not on a widespread scale)

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

No one is suggesting taking away benefits and letting children starve? At what point did I say benefits should be stopped. I love my son and he will not muss out with me working. I working to give him a better life why is that so bad. X

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

I'm going to clarify what I am trying to say a people seem to think I am judging all benefits and their clamiants as a whole. I was on full benefits for just over 17 months due to an unexpected pregnancy. During that time I went to college and gained my nursery nurse qualification when Aidan was 3 months old. I then took a year out due to having PND. During this time I applied to university to study childrens nursing I got on and the NHS basically give me a wage as I do long shifts as well as Uni. There's a bit if background info to show I have been on benefits and I have experienced the life it entails. It isn't easy as the money you get is very limited and your budgeting is tight.

I completely understand that certain curcumstances would leave a mother or family completley reliant on benefits. Things such a a child having a disability or additional needs both of which often present many obstacles with regards to working and it is completely understandable to stat at home and care for them. Another reason is becoming a single parent unexpectedly, this must be extremely hard and again present extreme difficulties when it comes to work I.e. affording childcare which I know is very expensive. This again IMO is a valid reason to not work as I am sure being a single parent I'd hard finically and emotionally and it can be sometimes be bear impossible to find a job that fits round being a mum whilst paying enough. I also have no problem with SAHMs that partners work and suppourt them. Yes they may be in receipt of things such as child benefit but who cares? You are still contributing to the 'system'. All of the above (I know there are many other are valid reasons for not working but there would be too many to list) to not work.

What I don't think is right is actively TTC a baby when you KNOW you dont want to work. Again before in get jumped on all of the reasons I mentioned above TTC would be fine as they can't work which means they have no other choice and the benefit system is designed to support families like the ones I mentioned. But if nothing is preventing someone from working and they soley rely on benefits should they be TTC and expecting the government to pay them for being a mother?

In no way am I saying benefits should be stopped whatsoever. They are a life line forbids families I mentioned at the beginning and more. But I do think those that can work should or study to enable them to work. Is that wrong of me? Am I being a bitch for thinking this? Mothers of disabled children, single mums, SAHMS who's partners work and all of those who have a valid reason not to work my post is not saying all of you should work because you shouldn't have to.

But should benefits be a choice or should they help support families like yours? X

 

[Laura2919]

Well I might sound harsh but if I as a working mother have to help pay back the deficit then so should everyone. SAHM or not. Everyone in some way or another has had something from this government whether it be housing benefit, council tax benefit, income tax, tax credits or CB..

You can have our £10.50 a week child tax credits ontop of our 10k+ a year tax if it makes you feel better about me being a SAHM.

Maybe you should go back and read my posts. I'm not talking about SAHM who have a partner that works. Im talking about a SAHM that is using EXCUSES to be a SAHM and claim benefits. Im so sick of posting and being jumped on when they havent read the post correctly.

 

[Laura2919]

Ah well, I can bitch about the benefits system until the cows come home, but my real issue is with us middle-income families being forgotten about

My issue is with people on benefits. Some get more a week than I earn in a week. So please show me where that is fair? I work my arse off for my children. Why should someone who stays at home with their child because they dont want to put them in childcare or because they will only be £50 better off get more money than someone who puts money into this country in order for them to do nothing!
Im sorry but the middle income families are being forgotten because your also paying for them to stay at home. More so because lots of benefits have been pulled from under you.
Im a low income family and even we are suffering.

 

[Laura2919]

Oh and we would all like to bring up our children without the help of a nursery or child minder but then who would pay for us all to be SAHM's???

I dont work because I have to I work because that is how I have been brought up.

Like I have said. If the tax payer has to help pay back the deficit then we all should including people on benefits. I dont see why we should all suffer but those on benefits dont with regards to the debt this country has. First and foremost I have MY family to provide for so I dont wish to think that a family on benefits is better off than us but sad reality is most are.. If we keep making it nice and comfy for them then its just gonna get worse.

 

[AppleBlossom]

Ah well, I can bitch about the benefits system until the cows come home, but my real issue is with us middle-income families being forgotten about

My issue is with people on benefits. Some get more a week than I earn in a week. So please show me where that is fair? I work my arse off for my children. Why should someone who stays at home with their child because they dont want to put them in childcare or because they will only be £50 better off get more money than someone who puts money into this country in order for them to do nothing! Im sorry but the middle income families are being forgotten because your also paying for them to stay at home. More so because lots of benefits have been pulled from under you.
Im a low income family and even we are suffering.

I assume you mean people like me then? I would go to work in a heartbeat if I could. The cheapest nursery near me is £35 a day. For 5 days a week it would cost me £700 a month. I don't even get £700 a month full stop. With what I do get I need to pay to keep a roof over my child's head and food on the table. I don't need to make excuses because as a single parent, there is no way I can get a full time job at the minute that would pay for the things we need AND childcare. I think, in terms of people like me (single parents on benefits who fully intend to get into work as soon as it realistically possible) there is no problem with recieving benefits. It's the people who have never and never will put back into the system what they've taken out

 

[Laura2919]

Ah well, I can bitch about the benefits system until the cows come home, but my real issue is with us middle-income families being forgotten about

My issue is with people on benefits. Some get more a week than I earn in a week. So please show me where that is fair? I work my arse off for my children. Why should someone who stays at home with their child because they dont want to put them in childcare or because they will only be £50 better off get more money than someone who puts money into this country in order for them to do nothing! Im sorry but the middle income families are being forgotten because your also paying for them to stay at home. More so because lots of benefits have been pulled from under you.
Im a low income family and even we are suffering.

I assume you mean people like me then? I would go to work in a heartbeat if I could. The cheapest nursery near me is £35 a day. For 5 days a week it would cost me £700 a month. I don't even get £700 a month full stop. With what I do get I need to pay to keep a roof over my child's head and food on the table. I don't need to make excuses because as a single parent, there is no way I can get a full time job at the minute that would pay for the things we need AND childcare. I think, in terms of people like me (single parents on benefits who fully intend to get into work as soon as it realistically possible) there is no problem with recieving benefits. It's the people who have never and never will put back into the system what they've taken out

I have been a single parent. Try what I do. BOTH my children are in private nursery and that costs £804 a month each with a measly little £80 off of my bill.. WOOP DE WOOP. I still work. My OH doesnt live with me and I pay ALL of my bills myself because we cant afford to live together. We have made our sacrifices. I could give up work and he could move in but I WONT. It wouldnt be me if I did.
Also, if you go back this post was about those who never want to go to work. Having children and using excuses is what we was discussing.
Like I put in a previous post my mum has worked since she left school. Never ever being unemployed, she has been made redundant and this country wont help her. Why can we help those on benefits but not someone like my mum who has dropped £2000 a month in wages and was given a redunancy package that wouldnt even buy you a new flipping car, She has a mortgage and bills and is cutting back on plenty things yet there are people on benefits who do well enough. Thats what I am talking about. Its disgusting.

 

[indy and lara]

I don't think middle-income makes you middle-class?


Clueless about classes to be honest

I really hope it doesn't. Having been brought up in a very WC household, I find it very hard when people presume we are MC now. Not my background at all.

Historically a woman was classified by the class of her father. Once you married you took the social class of your husband. These days though people seem to make income based presumptions.

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

In appleblossoms defence it would be almost impossible for her to find a job that she cab fit around being a single mum and ones that pays enough to pay for childcare. Aidan is in nursery 4 days a week and that costs ne over £500. I'm lucky I have the support a partner. Single mums don't have that luxury xx