child benifits UK girls....not good news

[AppleBlossom]

Ah well, I can bitch about the benefits system until the cows come home, but my real issue is with us middle-income families being forgotten about

My issue is with people on benefits. Some get more a week than I earn in a week. So please show me where that is fair? I work my arse off for my children. Why should someone who stays at home with their child because they dont want to put them in childcare or because they will only be £50 better off get more money than someone who puts money into this country in order for them to do nothing! Im sorry but the middle income families are being forgotten because your also paying for them to stay at home. More so because lots of benefits have been pulled from under you.
Im a low income family and even we are suffering.

I assume you mean people like me then? I would go to work in a heartbeat if I could. The cheapest nursery near me is £35 a day. For 5 days a week it would cost me £700 a month. I don't even get £700 a month full stop. With what I do get I need to pay to keep a roof over my child's head and food on the table. I don't need to make excuses because as a single parent, there is no way I can get a full time job at the minute that would pay for the things we need AND childcare. I think, in terms of people like me (single parents on benefits who fully intend to get into work as soon as it realistically possible) there is no problem with recieving benefits. It's the people who have never and never will put back into the system what they've taken out

I have been a single parent. Try what I do. BOTH my children are in private nursery and that costs £804 a month each with a measly little £80 off of my bill.. WOOP DE WOOP. I still work. My OH doesnt live with me and I pay ALL of my bills myself because we cant afford to live together. We have made our sacrifices. I could give up work and he could move in but I WONT. It wouldnt be me if I did.
Also, if you go back this post was about those who never want to go to work. Having children and using excuses is what we was discussing.
Like I put in a previous post my mum has worked since she left school. Never ever being unemployed, she has been made redundant and this country wont help her. Why can we help those on benefits but not someone like my mum who has dropped £2000 a month in wages and was given a redunancy package that wouldnt even buy you a new flipping car, She has a mortgage and bills and is cutting back on plenty things yet there are people on benefits who do well enough. Thats what I am talking about. Its disgusting.

Alright, chill out. I accept I'm a bad person because I live on benefits. Whatever. I'm not here to be judged. If you have been a single parent then you'll know how little people on benefits actually get. I don't need to feel guilty because I worked part time from the age of 13 as a saturday girl in my grandparent's hairdressers up until I was 16 when I worked as a waitress up until I was 19. I have a great work ethic. I will work again and hopefully soon. I get annoyed at the lazy people who sit about watching Jeremy Kyle and drinking cider all day who recieve benefits, who doesn't? I just think it is unfair to slag off people who have genuine reasons as to why they are on them and fully intend to pay back their debt. I have a million and one reasons which I don't feel I need to justify. So shoot me for getting a bit of help. I alread said I think it's great people can work aside from looking after kids, well done to you. I hope I can do the same in the not so distant future

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

Bex you do not have to justify youself. Youndudht choose to be a single mum so it must have been very hard. Plus you've also studied since having grace. Your trying your best and no one can ask for anymore than that. X

 

[AppleBlossom]

Thanks Heather, I know I don't have to justify myself. I would never choose to be on benefits if I didn't need to be. I don't think many people would. I recently got turned down for a job because I'm "overqualified." But I don't have enough qualifications for a specific career. It's a rut I'm trying to get out of but it's not easy but I'll damn well do it. It's just a shame that some people still tar everyone on benefits with the same brush

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

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[suzanne108]

Ah well, I can bitch about the benefits system until the cows come home, but my real issue is with us middle-income families being forgotten about

My issue is with people on benefits. Some get more a week than I earn in a week. So please show me where that is fair? I work my arse off for my children. Why should someone who stays at home with their child because they dont want to put them in childcare or because they will only be £50 better off get more money than someone who puts money into this country in order for them to do nothing! Im sorry but the middle income families are being forgotten because your also paying for them to stay at home. More so because lots of benefits have been pulled from under you.
Im a low income family and even we are suffering.

I assume you mean people like me then? I would go to work in a heartbeat if I could. The cheapest nursery near me is £35 a day. For 5 days a week it would cost me £700 a month. I don't even get £700 a month full stop. With what I do get I need to pay to keep a roof over my child's head and food on the table. I don't need to make excuses because as a single parent, there is no way I can get a full time job at the minute that would pay for the things we need AND childcare. I think, in terms of people like me (single parents on benefits who fully intend to get into work as soon as it realistically possible) there is no problem with recieving benefits. It's the people who have never and never will put back into the system what they've taken out

I have been a single parent. Try what I do. BOTH my children are in private nursery and that costs £804 a month each with a measly little £80 off of my bill.. WOOP DE WOOP. I still work. My OH doesnt live with me and I pay ALL of my bills myself because we cant afford to live together. We have made our sacrifices. I could give up work and he could move in but I WONT. It wouldnt be me if I did.
Also, if you go back this post was about those who never want to go to work. Having children and using excuses is what we was discussing.
Like I put in a previous post my mum has worked since she left school. Never ever being unemployed, she has been made redundant and this country wont help her. Why can we help those on benefits but not someone like my mum who has dropped £2000 a month in wages and was given a redunancy package that wouldnt even buy you a new flipping car, She has a mortgage and bills and is cutting back on plenty things yet there are people on benefits who do well enough. Thats what I am talking about. Its disgusting.

It's not easy to just get a job though is it? And it's even harder when you are a single parent to find a job that will fit around childcare.

It's a lot easier said than done.

 

[MRSRICHRS2K]

I'd read that you can still claim the sure start maternity grant up until 1st april 2011 if its your 1st child and your in the qualifing weks of pregnancy x

 

[Linzi]

Heres my 2 cents and I can't be arsed reading this whole thing

£190 HIP grant. HEALTH IN PREGNANCY. It was there to help women to eat healthier & excersize during their pregnancy, how many of you who claimed it can say hand on heart that that's what you spent it on?

Bet less than 10%. I reckon they scrapped it because it was set out with good intention, and then people abused it.

People say they used it for buggies , baby equiptment or whatever, but that wasn't it's intended use. As for not being able to afford baby stuff, not everything has to be new, we were in a tricky position when my son was born & we bought pretty much all of his stuff second hand apart from his matress which we really had to save for. We didn't get the £190, earnt under £20k a year between us and STILL managed while paying out over 50% of our monthly wages on rent.

IMO £190 was not necessary to give out to every pregnant woman. Yes, contraception isnt always effective and sometimes suprise babies come about, but then there's accepting that it's happened and dealing with it, not expecting someone to bail you out.

CTC. I work full time as does my husband. Our nursery bills are over £800 a month, we earn £2k a month between us (yep thats right, in 3 years we've uped our income by £13k by sheer hard work and determination!! Who'd have thoguht!!). We do claim CTC & WTC because we're entitled to it, and we need it to survive and work.

Theres nothing wrong with working for a living, as there is nothing wrong with staying at home. But sometimes there is no choice. We work because we don't have a choice, but we also enjoy it, and UIll be going back after this baby is born too. It works for us But it wouldn't work for other families.

You can't judge anyone on this, because everyones situation is totally different. Salaries, childcare & cost of living is different all over the country.

The issue to me is not how 'unfair' or whatever benefits are, it's making it actually worthwhile for people who want to work to do so and encouraging Mums back into work if thats what they want to do. And the only way to do it is by cutting the cost of childcare!!

Theres grants for 3 & 4 year olds, I dont know why they wouldn't extend it to 1 & 2 year olds as well. Then surely more people would return to work bringing more money into the country.

 

[Laura2919]

Ah well, I can bitch about the benefits system until the cows come home, but my real issue is with us middle-income families being forgotten about

My issue is with people on benefits. Some get more a week than I earn in a week. So please show me where that is fair? I work my arse off for my children. Why should someone who stays at home with their child because they dont want to put them in childcare or because they will only be £50 better off get more money than someone who puts money into this country in order for them to do nothing! Im sorry but the middle income families are being forgotten because your also paying for them to stay at home. More so because lots of benefits have been pulled from under you.
Im a low income family and even we are suffering.

I assume you mean people like me then? I would go to work in a heartbeat if I could. The cheapest nursery near me is £35 a day. For 5 days a week it would cost me £700 a month. I don't even get £700 a month full stop. With what I do get I need to pay to keep a roof over my child's head and food on the table. I don't need to make excuses because as a single parent, there is no way I can get a full time job at the minute that would pay for the things we need AND childcare. I think, in terms of people like me (single parents on benefits who fully intend to get into work as soon as it realistically possible) there is no problem with recieving benefits. It's the people who have never and never will put back into the system what they've taken out

I have been a single parent. Try what I do. BOTH my children are in private nursery and that costs £804 a month each with a measly little £80 off of my bill.. WOOP DE WOOP. I still work. My OH doesnt live with me and I pay ALL of my bills myself because we cant afford to live together. We have made our sacrifices. I could give up work and he could move in but I WONT. It wouldnt be me if I did.
Also, if you go back this post was about those who never want to go to work. Having children and using excuses is what we was discussing.
Like I put in a previous post my mum has worked since she left school. Never ever being unemployed, she has been made redundant and this country wont help her. Why can we help those on benefits but not someone like my mum who has dropped £2000 a month in wages and was given a redunancy package that wouldnt even buy you a new flipping car, She has a mortgage and bills and is cutting back on plenty things yet there are people on benefits who do well enough. Thats what I am talking about. Its disgusting.

Alright, chill out. I accept I'm a bad person because I live on benefits. Whatever. I'm not here to be judged. If you have been a single parent then you'll know how little people on benefits actually get. I don't need to feel guilty because I worked part time from the age of 13 as a saturday girl in my grandparent's hairdressers up until I was 16 when I worked as a waitress up until I was 19. I have a great work ethic. I will work again and hopefully soon. I get annoyed at the lazy people who sit about watching Jeremy Kyle and drinking cider all day who recieve benefits, who doesn't? I just think it is unfair to slag off people who have genuine reasons as to why they are on them and fully intend to pay back their debt. I have a million and one reasons which I don't feel I need to justify. So shoot me for getting a bit of help. I alread said I think it's great people can work aside from looking after kids, well done to you. I hope I can do the same in the not so distant future

No I dont know because even as a single parent I worked. I have never claimed benefits so I dont know. Im not asking you to justify anything. You quoted my post originally so I am just replying. I dont want to hear reasons I am quite happy to think what I do. Its how I see it and how I continue to see it. I am also not looking to fight or argue. I am simply stating that there are people out there that use excuses when they are perfectly capable of getting up and finding a job. Like I have said this post wasnt about people who genuinely cant work its about people who use excuses that really are lame. They dont trust childcare and they cant work because of this and that. Yes not everyone will find a job and not everyone will be off benefits but the more this country makes it easier the less likely it will change.

No its not easy I know that but people take the pee out of this by using it as an excuse. What if we all did that? Be plenty of jobs then wouldnt there?

 

[AppleBlossom]

Fair enough but you don't know me or my situation. Just like I don't know you. It must be lovely to have never been on benefits. So let's just agree to disagree.

 

[MRSRICHRS2K]

Fair enough but you don't know me or my situation. Just like I don't know you. It must be lovely to have never been on benefits. So let's just agree to disagree.

Well said xx

i worked when i had my son, but felt i was missing him growing up so i left work when he was 1( was lucky we could afford to lose my wage) , then i had my daughter and was there for her from birth, i love being a stay at home mum, thats what i had my babies for to be with them, and i can say i never missed out on any of there baby/childhood moments

 

[suzanne108]

Laura, did you already have your job though when you & your OH split up? x

 

[Laura2919]

Laura, did you already have your job though when you & your OH split up? x

Yeah I did. I have been in the same job for the past 6 years.

 

[Laura2919]

Fair enough but you don't know me or my situation. Just like I don't know you. It must be lovely to have never been on benefits. So let's just agree to disagree.

Well said xx

i worked when i had my son, but felt i was missing him growing up so i left work when he was 1( was lucky we could afford to lose my wage) , then i had my daughter and was there for her from birth, i love being a stay at home mum, thats what i had my babies for to be with them, and i can say i never missed out on any of there baby/childhood moments

I think thats an awful post to be fair. Its like your using underhand comments to say we arent there for our children. I had my babies because I love them and I care for them. I (me) provide for my children. I missed out on loads and I feel bad as it is but when they grow up they will be proud that I did what I did and I didnt take from the government because I wanted to watch them grow. Obviously not you because you have an OH to support you.

Im pretty sure a lot of women on here who work would be with me when I say we might miss out of things our children do and it does hurt but we also see the benefits of nursery. My children are super happy at nursery. If they are happy so am i.

 

[Linzi]

Fair enough but you don't know me or my situation. Just like I don't know you. It must be lovely to have never been on benefits. So let's just agree to disagree.

Well said xx

i worked when i had my son, but felt i was missing him growing up so i left work when he was 1( was lucky we could afford to lose my wage) , then i had my daughter and was there for her from birth, i love being a stay at home mum, thats what i had my babies for to be with them, and i can say i never missed out on any of there baby/childhood moments

I think thats an awful post to be fair. Its like your using underhand comments to say we arent there for our children. I had my babies because I love them and I care for them. I (me) provide for my children. I missed out on loads and I feel bad as it is but when they grow up they will be proud that I did what I did and I didnt take from the government because I wanted to watch them grow. Obviously not you because you have an OH to support you.

Im pretty sure a lot of women on here who work would be with me when I say we might miss out of things our children do and it does hurt but we also see the benefits of nursery. My children are super happy at nursery. If they are happy so am i.

I do agree with that, while I would love to be at home Seth wouldn't be the child he is without nursery, he's the kind of child who needed it.

But at the same time, as I said above, it's not always the way to do things. Some people want to stay at home. Some people don't but have no choice, Some people want to work and put their kids in nursery. Does it REALLY matter?!

 

[Laura2919]

To be honest I think this post has kind of spiralled out and some have been offended by posts they werent meant to be offended by. This started off about CB and went on and on and now is about all benefits.
I agree we are all different and thats why I havent singled anyone out. I can only go on my opinion and what I have done in my life. My job doesnt pay that great and I have to do my best. I havent singled anyone out apart from to say that some people use excuses to be on benefits. Not everyone can get a job and no everyone can stop claiming but some can, they just choose not to and to me thats not good enough. Thats why everyone should see a decrease in money in order to help pay this debt back not just those who work and the high earner.

 

[Linzi]

I actually agree with you hun to a point, I wasnt being nasty.

You've done really well for yourself and you should be proud... but just because you have doesn't mean it's possible for everyone else iykwim?

I KNOW if it was a case of going to work for £50 a month and not seeing my son grow up I know where I'd be right!! And its not at work.

But as I said you've done really well for yourself & you should be proud!! I don't know what I'd do without my OH tbh I admire any single parent.

xx

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

Just because i work doesn't mean I am not there for Aidan. If it came to him really needing me i would move heaven an earth to get to him, nothing would stand in my way. I also think it's good for children to attend nursery they learn to he independent from their mum preparing them for school and what that entails x

 

[MRSRICHRS2K]

Fair enough but you don't know me or my situation. Just like I don't know you. It must be lovely to have never been on benefits. So let's just agree to disagree.

Well said xx

i worked when i had my son, but felt i was missing him growing up so i left work when he was 1( was lucky we could afford to lose my wage) , then i had my daughter and was there for her from birth, i love being a stay at home mum, thats what i had my babies for to be with them, and i can say i never missed out on any of there baby/childhood moments

I think thats an awful post to be fair. Its like your using underhand comments to say we arent there for our children. I had my babies because I love them and I care for them. I (me) provide for my children. I missed out on loads and I feel bad as it is but when they grow up they will be proud that I did what I did and I didnt take from the government because I wanted to watch them grow. Obviously not you because you have an OH to support you.

Im pretty sure a lot of women on here who work would be with me when I say we might miss out of things our children do and it does hurt but we also see the benefits of nursery. My children are super happy at nursery. If they are happy so am i.

Its not a underhand post! its the way "i feel" and the way i was brought up and wanted my children to experiance the same upbringing,
there is no right or wrong way, but i dont think its fair to judge all people on benefits the same way, some people cant get a job! my ex hasnt paid me any csa for over 12mths because he is on benefits so there is a prime example... there are no jobs out there!

 

[midori1999]

I appreciate that some people can't get jobs, but I never believe there aren't jobs out there. I have never had a problem getting a job, even when pregnant and I don't know anyone who wants to work but can't get a job. One of my friends recently decided to work again after not working for several years (her husband works) and walked straight into a job. She then decided she didn't really like working for that company and left after 9 months to go to another job in the same industry, different company.

I will never understand the mentality that says if you aren't going to be better off financially in a job when you have children you will stay at home on benefits. People should work wherever possible and pay their own way as much as they can.

 

[Hayley90]

I dont think anyone will ever be happy with the 'system' no matter how many changes are made.

You'll ALWAYS get people who are lazy.
But in the same breath you'll ALWAYS get people who have no choice.
You will always get people who are disabled, ill, made redundant, nearing retirement age, who live in remote places... it wont ever change.

Its not like the revolution when everyone lived 5 minutes away from a mine or a factory and there was a job for everyone... its harder now. Im not disputing that AT ALL.

I just wish there was more DRIVE from the perfectly able.. to think, "actually you know what? I'm going to do it for that extra £60 a month. Because next year i'll get a rise. The year after i could get promotion. The year after that i could be management." If there is no dream or ambition then the money part will never change.

I REALLY hope that with all the changes there will be a shake-up of childcare ... perhaps an improved childcare voucher scheme maybe, that is more funded by the government than just a tax-saver. That would definately help, as its salary-sacrifice, but if there were a BIGGER portion of saving to be made on it, or a money-matching scheme more people would use it.

If the cost of childcare is sorted, or flexible working is easier for everyone i dont see any reason why a huge majority of the population shouldn't go back to work.



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