Chinese Accupuncture

[Zeri]

Zeri, that's exactly what I thought re black tea but I am reading this book "what to expect.." and they actually recommend black tea rather than herbal teas, this is so strange!

Oh, that's strange. Is that 'what to expect when you're expecting?" I have that book. As far as I know- you have to be careful with caffeinated drinks, like coffee, teas, sodas etc (black tea included)- many women skip caffeine all thru first tri... but in moderation they're ok. Herbal teas can be a bit iffy.

 

[Clizard]

Briss, fab news - congratulations!
I wanted to put this link in for you:https://www.circlebloom.com/get-started/
I used one of the meditation series and I found it very good. Particularly as I am quite resistant to these kinds of things that suggest you take it slow! Definitely worth the money.

 

[Briss]

Jazzbird, thank you! I will make a note of that app, not ready yet though. I know what you mean re the heavy vibration, when I was on the plane it got bumpy and I thought the same thing! You are right at some point HCG beta will go down but it will be close to the end of the first trimester I think, so at the moment I am still looking for the number to increase and double every 2-3 days.

Zeri, I am trying to be caffeine free (have not had coffee since before EC!), the only reason I had black tea in Egypt is because there was nothing else available. But the books are so cautious about herb tea that I am not sure whether what I drink is right. my main drinks are mate tea, Rooibos tea, nettle/mint tea, camomile tea, occasionally green tea. are these OK?

Clizard,Thank you! I have actually been thinking of circlebloom for fertility but just did not get around to buying it. I think I will get the pregnancy one https://www.circlebloom.com/get-started/pregnancy-program/ . maybe it will help.

afm, we had our scan but it's too early so we did not really see the baby. the important thing is that we did see a 4 mm dot which is inside my uterus!!! (I have to say I was a bit concerned about risks of ectopic so this is a relief)! still, not out of the woods yet though. Munich was expecting 5 mm at this stage so we are slightly behind. nervously waiting for my bloods to see if the pregnancy is progressing well. The doc told me to do another scan at least 10 days/2 weeks from now but Munich wants it early about 30 days after EC which is next week. I am not sure yet but I guess we will know more after today's bloods. I lied about natural conception, said we were in between treatments when we conceived naturally. Dh said he would prefer not to tell anyone about IVf so I decided to do as he wants. I think the doc could see it was IVf on the scan, this place is very good and they told me last time it's impossible to conceal a thing like that because EC leaves marks on the ovary. also he could see I had more than one follicle raptured. in a way it was good cos he looked everywhere to make sure there is no second pregnancy hiding somewhere outside uterus. I do not mind him knowing about IVF but I just did not want it to go on the record. One other thing that was disturbing there was a second cyst on my right ovary. I suspect this is after EC and maybe it's the follicle that they raptured that turned into a cyst? I am not sure what this means and what we should do about it. I completely forgot to ask all the questions, all I could think about was that little 4 mm dot in my uterus!! as soon as I saw it I just could not take my eyes off it. all the protections I have been building and trying not to relate to this pregnancy too much just to protect myself- all out of the window.

my chest/bronchitis thing is really getting to me, I cant sleep because of the chest pain and coughing is now impossible, too painful. am seeing a firm's GP today.

 

[alison29]

That chest problem has been going on and on I hope they figure out how to help you today. Yay for the little dot! IT will be a little blob before you know it.

 

[Jazzbird]

Actually the hook effect affects pregnancy tests at 6 weeks. Something to do with way too much hcg for the test to handle.

Glad the scan went ok, keep us posted on bloods x

 

[Vonn]

Briss-I am sure the "dot" was mezmerizing! Great news that it could be detected, and even better that it's in the right place. I was really excited to see a dominant follicle on my first ultrasound, I called it my "pre-baby," so I can only imagine the thrill of seeing an actual embryo. Good for you guys. Looking forward to hearing about the blood results. I am totally living vicariously through you right now. And enjoying it immensely.

 

[melly2]

Briss! Yay! This sounds so promising! I'm so happy for you. Keeping my fingers crossed that everything progresses normally. I know how nerve-wracking this time can be. I'm pulling for you and really, really hope this is it!

 

[Briss]

Vonn, thank you! but please do let me know if you want me to drop off this thread with my pregnancy related updates. I know all too well how painful this can get. although this thread has been like comfort blanket (as well as knowledge resource!) to me since 2012. I can see you have ovulated, your chart looks good. amount of EWCM is very encouraging!


afm, I finally told my mum and know what? she already knew!! nobody told her she just knew. amazing! that child parent connection is just unbelievable.

I got my bloods and I think they are OK (I calculated and they seem to fit in the doubling every 2-3 day requirement) but for some reason my progesterone dropped quite a lot. Maybe this is because I switched to Czech progesterone? I sent all this to Munich but I do not expect they come back soon, they always take ages to respond.

My GP unfortunately said there is nothing I can do about coughing/chest pain. he said it looked OK though he understands that I am suffering from pain and sleepless nights. interestingly he said chocolate should help with coughing and it does. again, he thought it was most likely due to pulling a muscle while coughing but it's really annoying first left side now right side. and in combination with terribly sensitive breasts because of progesterone it's just too much pain in the chest area. more importantly he said this is OK for pregnancy. so I am just going to continue suffering quietly, hopefully this will get better soon. I am definitely not taking any more business trips.

 

[Zeri]

Jazzbird, thank you! I will make a note of that app, not ready yet though. I know what you mean re the heavy vibration, when I was on the plane it got bumpy and I thought the same thing! You are right at some point HCG beta will go down but it will be close to the end of the first trimester I think, so at the moment I am still looking for the number to increase and double every 2-3 days.

Zeri, I am trying to be caffeine free (have not had coffee since before EC!), the only reason I had black tea in Egypt is because there was nothing else available. But the books are so cautious about herb tea that I am not sure whether what I drink is right. my main drinks are mate tea, Rooibos tea, nettle/mint tea, camomile tea, occasionally green tea. are these OK?

Clizard,Thank you! I have actually been thinking of circlebloom for fertility but just did not get around to buying it. I think I will get the pregnancy one https://www.circlebloom.com/get-started/pregnancy-program/ . maybe it will help.

afm, we had our scan but it's too early so we did not really see the baby. the important thing is that we did see a 4 mm dot which is inside my uterus!!! (I have to say I was a bit concerned about risks of ectopic so this is a relief)! still, not out of the woods yet though. Munich was expecting 5 mm at this stage so we are slightly behind. nervously waiting for my bloods to see if the pregnancy is progressing well. The doc told me to do another scan at least 10 days/2 weeks from now but Munich wants it early about 30 days after EC which is next week. I am not sure yet but I guess we will know more after today's bloods. I lied about natural conception, said we were in between treatments when we conceived naturally. Dh said he would prefer not to tell anyone about IVf so I decided to do as he wants. I think the doc could see it was IVf on the scan, this place is very good and they told me last time it's impossible to conceal a thing like that because EC leaves marks on the ovary. also he could see I had more than one follicle raptured. in a way it was good cos he looked everywhere to make sure there is no second pregnancy hiding somewhere outside uterus. I do not mind him knowing about IVF but I just did not want it to go on the record. One other thing that was disturbing there was a second cyst on my right ovary. I suspect this is after EC and maybe it's the follicle that they raptured that turned into a cyst? I am not sure what this means and what we should do about it. I completely forgot to ask all the questions, all I could think about was that little 4 mm dot in my uterus!! as soon as I saw it I just could not take my eyes off it. all the protections I have been building and trying not to relate to this pregnancy too much just to protect myself- all out of the window.

my chest/bronchitis thing is really getting to me, I cant sleep because of the chest pain and coughing is now impossible, too painful. am seeing a firm's GP today.

Go little dot, go! How exciting!

The teas you mentioned should be fine (in moderation), from what I know.

Hope your chest pain eases soon.

 

[nobump]

Briss that is great news about your scan, so exciting. How can the docs know about IVF from the scans? Sorry if I am being stupid?

The meds I was taking from the acu person were: Jia Wei Xiao Wan, this was to calm/destress me I think, Tiao Jing Cu Yun Wan and Nuan Gong Yun Zi Wang, I think these were to help with my cycle, one of these was only stated recently, not sure which..

Unfortunately I am still bleeding, so phoned and got an emergency doc appointment and he has prescribe Norethisterone 3 times a day (days 5 to 25 of cycle) so can take for the next 5-7 days to see if it helps.. he also recommended I take iron 3 times a day again... I am also having bloods done to check my thyroid and blood count, need to book an appointment to get bloods taken. Doc has also encourage me to make a decision one way or another soon.... Will look to book private appointment soon... I just feel worn out... want this to end one way or another... I just need to make up my mind which way... sorry to put a negative post... I have a counseling session on Thursday, hopefully this will help.

xxx

 

[alison29]

Please don't quit posting..I would be sad. You have been so great about sharing all the hard times I think its only fair that u get to share the success. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[Briss]

nobump, I'm not quite sure how they can tell but last time the doc showed me the place on the ovary where the needle went in for EC? he said apparently if you look closely you can see and always tell if EC took place.

I think I was taking Tiao Jing Cu Yun Wan at one point from day 5 but I did not like it as it shorted my cycle even more. It seems like what you have is all ready made formulas, have they been somehow changed to suit your particular situation?

I am sorry you are still bleeding, very worrying considering you think you already ovulated. Norethisterone is basically progesterone. Did the doc explain why you are bleeding? thyroid is one option but could this be something else? did he do a scan or something? good that they are at least checking your bloods.

This is very hard, I am so sorry you are going through this. what kind of decision they are expecting you to make? to stop TTC or not? that's so unfair! is it not possible to fix your bleeding so you could carry on TTC? I so hope your next private appointment will be more optimistic. it just looks like you are not getting proper care. I so wish there was something I could do to help you. thinking of you

afm, my cold is back, and that's on top of chest pain and coughing. every sneeze hurts so bad cos of the chest situation. I've been unwell since mid Jan, this is the third time I am getting some kind of virus/infection with only 1-2 days in between illnesses and I have not felt myself in 1.5 month! I do not mind all that I just hope my little one is OK.

 

[Vonn]

Briss--My opinion is don't stop posting here! You have had so many frustrating TTC experiences & I think you deserve to share all of your big and little victories (and frustrations) on this thread! I am thrilled to follow your progress.

I do hope you start to feel better with the chest pain, coughing, and cold. I feel like there has to be something that can help. Once I got a weird post-cold or virus asthma condition that last for a few months. I had trouble breathing deep, would get a ticklish feeling in my throat, and it would send me into a coughing spell that was extremely painful because I'd pulled a muscle, too. It happened during a high stress time in my life. One thing that really helped was tea (I think it was mint) with a good amount of honey. It really coated and soothed my throat and stopped that ticklish/weezy feeling from turning into a coughing fit. It doesn't seem like this is exactly what you are going through, but close enough that I thought I'd share my experience.

Nobump--I hope you get some answers soon about your bleeding. Be good to yourself and rest, losing a lot of blood is literally draining so don't run yourself ragged and get sick on top of it.

AFM--DH and I took this month off because I switched my thyroid meds and am wanting to get that sorted out & hopefully optimized before jumping into the medicated IUIs. I feel if we would have done one this month it would have been a total waste. We might take one more month off, too, but haven't decided yet. Of course, I can't help myself and continue to do opk tests and take my temp. I just like to follow my cycle, I guess!

I oved so late this month, day 20. I can't help but think that's part of my problem; by the time the egg is released it's past peak & isn't any good. I am really hoping the scans and ov triggers done with IUI will help me pop out eggs at the right time. But who knows, right? It's as much of a science as it is a mystery, in my opinion!

Hi to everyone else!

 

[Briss]

Vonn, thanks for sharing! that does actually sound very similar to what I have (minus the cold). I used to have bronchitis with asthmatic component which is also similar. but it was really nasty cos it went on and on for weeks and I'd get it 2-3 times a year. I so hope I can beat this thing. I am having lemon/honey drink all day long and it does help with coughing. not sure what to do about the muscle though, just so painful.

I hope your new thyroid medication will make a difference. I am actually checking my TSH all the time. I know it can go up sometimes in pregnancy so i just want to make sure I catch it in time and raise the alarm and get the synthetic hormone if necessary.

your chart looks good, very clear temp rise! you can still TTC naturally while you are waiting for your next IUI, you just never know you may get lucky. I would not worry about ovulation date, CD 20 is not bad (and better than ovulating early anyway), your egg is fine it can only "go bad" in the context of IVF when there is stimulation and artificial ovulation suppression. in a natural cycle trust your body it knows just the right time to release your egg.

 

[alison29]

I feel your pain with colds BRISS it is the absolute worst. I have had 4 since halloween. Makes everything a chore. I imagine you can't tell if it's pregnancy fatigue or virus fatigue. Any symptoms yet? Keep washing your hands every chance you get. May help prevent the catching of the next cold bug lurking around.

Hi Vonn and No Bump..Are you lurking Blythe? If so hello!

When do you think you will do your IUI Vonn? Will you use ovulation stim meds like clomid or injectables?

 

[nobump]

Thanks all. I have booked bloods for Tuesday morning. Doc said he would let me know if there is a thyroid issue. The doc will refer me again to see about my heavy bleeding. But all the things they can do to help the bleeding stops me TTC.

We are basically unexplained but through IVF I now know I have low AMH. DH numbers are also low so thats why we used ICSI both times. We also having timing issues. On demand doesn't work well.

Had a long day at work. Feeling drained. Have noticed I am breathing heavy had a TC today. Someone said they tthought some on the call was outside as the heard wind... think it was me. Bleeding has reduced today will see how things progress this week.


Briss thats a bummer you are feeling poorly again.

Vonn is your thyroid issues the reason your having issues? Taking time out helps take the pressure off but understand you continuing all your testing.

Xxxx

 

[Vonn]

Briss--Healing the pulled muscle is all about time and rest. Try not to aggravate it (which I know can be incredibly hard). Mine took a couple months to heal. It was really painful. I am sorry you are dealing with this and can't just enjoy things.

I'm excited to get started on the medicated IUIs. I'm not sure which type of med the dr will have me try first. He had said he wanted to do three IUIs before reassessing (and probably pushing IVF). I get 6 per confirmed pregnancy covered by my insurance, meds included. I did one unmedicated in December, so I have 5 left. I'll probably push to use them all and try out a variety of meds before moving on to IVF. I have no insurance coverage for that, so I'd prefer to experiment with different med combos and see what stimulates me best (or find out if stims don't work for me) on someone else's dime for as long as I can!

I'm not sure how long I want to wait for the thyroid med change to kick in before starting the IUIs. What I am trying to do with the meds would require a long-winded explanation and I don't want to bore anyone so I won't get into too much. They say it usually takes 2-3 months for the reverse T3 I am trying to drop out of my system to do so & it's obvious when it happens, so I am really hoping that happens for me. Then I'll know!

At any rate, bd on demand doesn't work great for us, so I am okay with not trying naturally for a month. Plus, I am trying really hard to get the candida out of my system and don't mind a little time off BD so as to avoid passing it on to DH. You can pass it on if the partner is susceptible, has a weak gut flora, etc. I am forcing my DH to take probiotics now (in addition to vitamins, fish oil, and zinc) to try and protect him.

Okay, enough of me rambling on...

 

[alison29]

That sounds great Vonn 6 covered IUI's is amazing. You probably won't even need IVF.

 

[Wish4another1]

Briss - so glad to see that you put your positive test on your FF chart!!! green makes me happy!!! and please keep posting!!! Hope you are doing well today!

Von - bd on demand doesn't work well for us either...but it sounds like you are doing the best you can to give yourselves the best chances - so don't loose hope - I think you are doing a good job at fighting for yourself - you know your body best... Here's hoping for a BFP sooner rather than later!!!

nobump - hope that bleeding is gone!

to everyone else...

 

[Vonn]

Hi to everyone!

Briss--Are you starting to feel any better yet? How are things?

Nobump--Have you stopped bleeding? Have you ever had such a long AF before, or is this totally unusual?

AFM--Nothing TTC to report. The weather is supposed to change here, starting today. I'm so ready for warmer temps! It's been really cold the past few days. I can't complain too much, though, as this winter was not nearly as brutal as last winter. And we've had way less snow and hassle than those elsewhere (I'm thinking of you, Boston).