crappy government

[bubbles]

labour weren't running the rest of the world may i just point out, but there has been a GLOBAL economic decline. it would have happened with whatever goverment was in power.

Except maybe a different government WOULDN'T have sold off our gold reserves at the lowest price

 

[coccyx]

Think CTF and HIP should go. Country in huge amount of debt. People used HIP for pedicures, concert tickets! Why should taxes go on that. Glad conservatives are toughening up.

 

[EllieT]

Well, I guess some people hate what the conservatives have done in their time, me included, and some people hate what New labour have..particularly Blair and his poodle Alistair Campbell. I'm glad they are out and I just think we need to give the new government a chance first. Unfortunately they have to make some tough decisions. Fingers crossed the future.

 

[lkb21]

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/spending-cuts-child-trust-funds-axed-tele-fcdcd1695751.html

This has the info about the sure start grant, and it looks like they will cut it!

sorry to bring bad news! xx

that has already been posted, discussed and figured out. It's not very well worded but does NOT say they will be cutting the SSMG. I honestly don't see what the hooha is about the CTF being scrapped, you don't really benefit from it as you can't just take the money and spend it when things are a bit tight. And before anyone jumps down my throat YES we are a low income family and believe me I know what it's like to live week by week wondering how you are going to afford to feed your children let alone yourselves

Apologies - i didn't see the prior 'post, discussion, and figuring out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!', was just trying to add some clarity.

And my hooha isn't about the CTF, but it was about the sure start grant. if i was incorrect i'm very very sorry!

my 'hooha' was also about what is to come!!

 

[Louise3512uk]

labour weren't running the rest of the world may i just point out, but there has been a GLOBAL economic decline. it would have happened with whatever goverment was in power.

Ding Dong! Nail on the head if I may say so.... but oh no, it's Gordon Brown's fault that there has been a global recession, obviously!

People forget very quickly the state of things when labour took over from the tories.... the economic position might not have been as bad, but the health and education systems were in a right old mess then! Things are not as bad as people are making out, things were already on their way up BEFORE the election.

People are entitled to have and to voice their own opinions... I think that we are heading for a very very rough few years!

 

[StarLightxx]

I read this in the news earlier! Its kinda annoying - we both work and dont get any help for anything coz 'we're not entitled' that bit of help would have been nice. We dont have much left at the end of the month after rent and bills. We have our own baby jar which we've been putting money in so that can go towards opening a savings account for baby dearest instead

 

[bubbles]

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/spending-cuts-child-trust-funds-axed-tele-fcdcd1695751.html

This has the info about the sure start grant, and it looks like they will cut it!

sorry to bring bad news! xx

that has already been posted, discussed and figured out. It's not very well worded but does NOT say they will be cutting the SSMG. I honestly don't see what the hooha is about the CTF being scrapped, you don't really benefit from it as you can't just take the money and spend it when things are a bit tight. And before anyone jumps down my throat YES we are a low income family and believe me I know what it's like to live week by week wondering how you are going to afford to feed your children let alone yourselves

Apologies - i didn't see the prior 'post, discussion, and figuring out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!', was just trying to add some clarity.

And my hooha isn't about the CTF, but it was about the sure start grant. if i was incorrect i'm very very sorry!

my 'hooha' was also about what is to come!!

I wasn't specifically talking about yourself, there were a number of people previously posting on this thread about how it was wrong to get rid of it etc etc

 

[EllieT]

Also HIPS were the biggest waste of time and money. I for one wasted @00 odd quid on one which no one even looks at when they are buying a house and I still haven't sold my house yet.

 

[Louise3512uk]

"Under Conservative plans, child tax credits – worth up to £545 a year – will be slashed for families with an income over £50,000 a year.

Now some 1.2 million households earning more than £40,000 a year could lose some or all of the handout.
The Premier admitted he will have to compromise with his Lib Dem partners, who want to cut the credits for families on as little as £31,400."


Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...r-emergency-Budget-June-22.html#ixzz0or1Sgx44

So it's looking like any families with a joint income of over 31000 pa will not be entitled to any child tax credits either.

 

[Mummy2Asher]

id be really worried about tax credits being cut. when i was a singe mum i relied on tax credits so much otherwise i wouldnt of been able to work at all.
looks like if its guna be tough ill be returning to work earlier then planned! xx

 

[lkb21]

can i just point out btw, that these new cuts come from a goverment that were originally planning on reducing inhertance tax for estates under 1million!!! OMG - did david cameron have a rich relative about to pop his clogs or what!

and so the rich stay rich.

i think many of us will have to agree to disagree! too much of a hot topic to discuss with all these hormones about!

apologies for getting ate up!

 

[Louise3512uk]

Also, as part of the tory manifesto, the bonus for soldiers returning from Afghanistan would be doubled to £4800... I haven't noticed any confirmation of this?

 

[EllieT]

I think you're absolutely right. Politics is such a divided subject which I guess is what makes a great democracy! What a boring world if we all agreed.

On a cheeky note..as long as New Labour aren't in, I'm happy!!

 

[fairypop]

I am not bothered about the CTF but think the other monies should stay. I work full time as does OH and will not get anything but family allowance, that extra bit of money would be welcomed. Won't get tax credits or anything, yet when we have paid all the bills out, there isn't anything left really! Very annoying.

 

[opticalillus5]

Hey Laides!

I'll be honest - i'm not going to read the entire thread because it'll just wind me up. At the moment, I'm a stay at home mum and OH works, but he only brings home an average wage (i.e. less than £30,000). I don't know how, but I'm almost certain we'll lose some money somewhere with the new government.

Anywhoo, my tip would be, if we do get the HIP grant (which I'm close to applying for now!), use it towards a birth-to-potty set of re-usable nappies. That's what i'm doing as they look great, can be washed at 30 degrees, and I put on a washload every day anyway. You can also buy re-usable baby wipes too I think, but I haven't decided on those yet.
Also, I'm planning on breastfeeding until at least 6 months. Not only will this cut the cost of expensive formula milk, but it's best for baby. And, while I'm feeding bubs myself, I won't be able to drink alcohol - That's around £5 per friday-night bottle of blossom hill saved! lol.

All in all, natural parenting really does save money and, IMO, is much better for bubs and the environment, too. I know that things like cotton nappies are expensive to start with, but it makes sense for people who might get the HIP grant and then have their weekly income cut.

Just an idea

 

[coccyx]

People do a lot of 'rich' bashing. You have no idea of their back ground, work ethic etc which has got them to where they are now.

 

[aob1013]

Lot of people do 'poor bashing' too with no idea of their backgrounds. So anyone saying 'job well done tories' will definately get my back up

Not saying you said that though .. so nobody start getting offended!

 

[lkb21]

People do a lot of 'rich' bashing. You have no idea of their back ground, work ethic etc which has got them to where they are now.

obv some ppl are just looking for an argument, so please just let me say that i never meant to cuase offence to the rich or the poor or the middle class or the working class or any other bloody person for that matter. my issue was with the tories, and how it affects my own situation. now unless your married to david cameron luv none of what i said was meant to cause offence to so your argument above is entirely unnecessary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i did not 'bash' the rich, just for the record, i simply stated that under this goverment, IN MY OPINION, the rich will stay rich (good for them), while the less fortunate, for any reason, will stay unfortunate!!!!!

in the same respect as your argument, you know not me, nor my situation to understand why i put forward the point that i did! sheeeeeeesh!!!!!!!!1

 

[emmi26]

bloody knew it i knew we would all be worse off !!!!
cameron the con artist !!

 

[MrsJ08]

I've just read this entire thread and agree that the wording of the document is confusing. It is only the Child Trust Fund that is effected, not the Sure Start £500 grant for low income families or the Health in Pregnancy Grant. However, I have no doubt that these will be next. The HIP will at the very least become means tested.

I've sat on both sides of the fence in terms of income. I was earning £60k+ a year and paying 40% of my salary and my bonus in tax. I was working a minimum of 50 hours a week. I was made redundant due to the GLOBAL RECESSION when Baugur the Icelandic company collapsed. Unfortunately, many people like myself who perhaps would have previously been labelled "rich" have suffered along with the low earners and unemployed. Despite having paid in excess of £200,000 in Income Tax in the past 10 years I am not entitled to get out of the system any of the money that I have put in. I had saved since leaving University and now all of my savings have gone. Nevertheless, I'm enough of a socialist to respect and appreciate our benefit system and the contribution that I made to support it. Given that I am in my 30's I have vivid memories of the Thatcher and then John Major years and I also (like Louise it seems) remember quite clearly the horrendous state that this country was in, in 1997 when Labour came to power. I'd like to remind people many of whom are probably too young to remember that under the Conservative government in the 80's and 90's recessions we had double digit interest rates and property reposessions were the highest in history and incomparable to the current situation. Labour actually introduced things like "Mortgage Interest Benefit" to help those of us who own property to prevent repossessions. Labour and Gordon Brown didn't cause this recession and the deficit is largely due to saving our banks. I don't like the fact that we had to bail out the banks any more than the next person but what choice did we have? If we hadn't done so hundreds of thousands of people would have lost their homes and/or savings. Not to mention the livelihoods of the majority of "normal" bank workers who are far more numerous than the reckless Traders that caused the problems in the first place.

Labour have done amazing things in this country that people have conveniently forgotten. Fortunately my memory is long enough to remember when people had to wait 6 months+ for life saving operations, when you could wait up to a year for a referral to a consultant and 2 years for a non-emergency but life enhancing operation like a hip-replacement. Not to mention the benefit that Winter Fuel payments have in reducing fuel poverty and the improvements schemes like Sure Start Children's Centres have had in Child education and social interaction.

I think we are all right to fear the cuts that are to come because they will not only effect those on the lowest incomes including single Mum's and pensioners that Labour did much to protect. They will also effect each and every one of us on this site that have children either in education or that will be in education within the next few years. Be warned, Education at all levels will be one of the areas that will be hit hardest. I for one am very sad that my child will be born under a Conservative Government and just hope that he/she won't have to endure it for their entire childhood as I did.