Debate: Capital punishment

[buttonnose82]

the current prison system makes it easier for a select group of people on the inside than it does the outside ..... what does that say ..... really?

I mean there are people that openly admit they re-offend as soon as they are released so they can go back inside!

 

[marley2580]

^ I actually think this may have more to do with the care system than the prison system - some young people in the care system become so institutionalised that they can't cope with normal life.

 

[tasha41]

Yeah, that happened on Shawshank Redemption, I know movie but... the prisoners that were there a long time tried to get back in because they didn't know how to live 'normal' lives outside when they were older.

 

[sophxx]

^ I actually think this may have more to do with the care system than the prison system - some young people in the care system become so institutionalised that they can't cope with normal life.

i def agree with this its not about what its like living in prison its about how hard it is for them to come out and fit in to society somehave them of spent years inside just to one day have the door open and be let out to do as they please! but yet alot of them people will walk out with no family no belongings and be unable to get a job ect so its easier to go back to jail its comfy thery have food a doctor dentist and a roof over there head!

the only people who come out and live normal really are major drug dealers and people with money and family as they have money ect to be able to go back to there old lives!

 

[sophxx]

I agree with rubixcoyoob they have commited a crime, time in jail should be hard not easy
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but not every ones time is easy?? they have to work to be put i open jails r jails not that have playstsations ect! not everyjails has these

open jails are the last thing before realise some have done years with nothing but prison clothes and the odd luxry!

its only petty criminals tht get all the lurxuries until they have been in years! alot of the holding jails have extras but dont have playstations ect!

my oh and his family have done alot of time in double cat a and map prisoners which is high secruity prisoners and public protcetion prisoners they have never had there own clothes or palystaions laptops sky ect! im not saying they never got takeaways mcds extra bit thats for bad screws and costs money thats payed on the outside but thats a different thing!

its a small percent who do thats what you have to remember those who have often done little crimes!

 

[rubixcyoob.]

To the above. It doesn't matter that crime you have commited, you have broken the law and should be punished. You shouldn't just be taken into something that appears like a home from home. It's not right, it's not just and it's not punishment.

And tbh, who cares if they serve hard time. Hell mend them. Should have stayed on the straight and narrow. Tax payers should not have to pay money to make the lives of prisoners easy.

Oh and open jails are a joke. A year or so ago a man broke out from a scottish open prison, he was a known rapist but put in there because it was near the end of his sentence. He escaped, got to my home town, raped a school girl and beat her with a hammer. This wouldn't of happened had there of been no open prisons and stricter release terms - no early release for 'good' behaviour etc.

 

[sophxx]

but there not taken to a home away for home if your house is the size of my down stairs toilet with a sheet on your bed then yeh but im sure its not!

as for early relase thats up to the prison govuner and assement teams! these rapist murders are very sly people who know the right words to say and the right time to say hthings that how they slip through! im ot disagreeing that they shouldnt be made to serve there sentence all im saying is not every jail is hoilday camp and not everyone lives a life off luuxury in there! and im not saying they should either in my opinion you do the crime you do the time!

 

[Blue_bumpkin]

To the above. It doesn't matter that crime you have commited, you have broken the law and should be punished. You shouldn't just be taken into something that appears like a home from home. It's not right, it's not just and it's not punishment.

And tbh, who cares if they serve hard time. Hell mend them. Should have stayed on the straight and narrow. Tax payers should not have to pay money to make the lives of prisoners easy.

Oh and open jails are a joke. A year or so ago a man broke out from a scottish open prison, he was a known rapist but put in there because it was near the end of his sentence. He escaped, got to my home town, raped a school girl and beat her with a hammer. This wouldn't of happened had there of been no open prisons and stricter release terms - no early release for 'good' behaviour etc.

The whole justice system is a joke imo. you say this man was near his release date so chances are some horrific incident like this may have happened eventually anyway regardless of his escape. I hope Mr Cameron sorts this out. Well the best he can anyway

 

[Blah11]

Random but I've noticed a few rude comments over the last few pages... Can i remind everyone that this is debate club and can the rules on the first page be followed

 

[Blah11]

I don't think the way around sentencing is to be more lenient on those who are in for theft but to introduce harsher sentencing for those who commit harsher crimes I also don't believe prisoners have such an easy life that some of you think they do. I think a lot of it is heresay and media fuelled rumours.

 

[buttonnose82]

i would like to see inside the different prisons (different security levels) to see what the differences really are

 

[marley2580]

Random but I've noticed a few rude comments over the last few pages... Can i remind everyone that this is debate club and can the rules on the first page be followed

Thanks Blah, have been a bit distracted.

Please follow the rules of debate club or the thread will be closed

 

[sophxx]

i would like to see inside the different prisons (different security levels) to see what the differences really are

theres def a big difference maybe if people could see inside them then they would realise that its not all easy laid back!

lets not forget to that in these prison people are builled and made to do awful things by the gangs that run the prison wings there so violent to each other as they have nothing to loose!

its not all a nice like people are tring to say it is!
you cant make a educated comment about all prisons when you have onkly read what the papers publish or been to one or two prisons imo!

 

[Blah11]

I think people take the little things like privacy for granted. Prisoners give up their right to privacy and we shouldnt underestimate how tough that must be. Imagine not being able to get a minutes peace to yourself and having to do things when the prison officer says even if you dont want to, your mail being read and your 'house' (their cell) being searched.

Also, thats not even to mention how hard it is when you're released. If youre inside for a long time the world will be different. Getting a job can be impossible because you have a conviction on your record


Do they deserve it? Of course, but I'm fed up of people saying it's like a holiday It's not at all.

 

[buttonnose82]

i think that depends very much on the persons life before they went into prison, for some people prison IS easier (and sadly, happier) than life outside, for others, yes it will be tougher, but then punishment shouldn't be easy

but i guess back on topic, this debate is about capital punishment, which would only really be used in a select type of crime rather than the person down the road that nicked 3 packets of bacon from tesco.

In regards to capital punishment, like i said i wouldn't want to see if back, but for those offenders I would like to see a very basic & strict prison system in place (which i struggle to believe currently exists) only basic human rights should apply to these types of people (cold blooded murderers etc), basic food, clothing, 'housing' and such like, luxuries become things like TV time & phonecalls, which would need to be earned in a reasonable way

maybe i am too harsh

 

[sophxx]

but thats what does happen in these prisons?? i dont understand why you think it doesnt as i said before they only get the luxries on remand and when they start to drop levels! they have to work all day to ear money for phone calls or earn money to buy choclate or pop they all have the same prison tracksuit ect1

the only reason certain people have more treats in prison is because off the srcews and drugs being sold on wings!

 

[buttonnose82]

like i said, i just struggle to believe it IS that strict inside for these people, i really do, i have never seen anything to suggest it is but more to suggest it isn't

 

[Tasha]

I dont want CP to come back into our justice system. I spent a term on this topic in RE at school and it really doesnt work. We also watched a documentary about Edward Earl Johnson called 14 days in May (it is a BBC documentary) or read the book about it called Life on Death row. Worth a watch.

As for people in low category prisons/in jail for petty crimes, shouldnt they be given a tough time with no luxury's as a deterrent, if they had an okay time then what acts as a deterrent to stop them committing more serious crimes?

 

[Drazic<3]

To the above. It doesn't matter that crime you have commited, you have broken the law and should be punished. You shouldn't just be taken into something that appears like a home from home. It's not right, it's not just and it's not punishment.

And tbh, who cares if they serve hard time. Hell mend them. Should have stayed on the straight and narrow. Tax payers should not have to pay money to make the lives of prisoners easy.

Oh and open jails are a joke. A year or so ago a man broke out from a scottish open prison, he was a known rapist but put in there because it was near the end of his sentence. He escaped, got to my home town, raped a school girl and beat her with a hammer. This wouldn't of happened had there of been no open prisons and stricter release terms - no early release for 'good' behaviour etc.

The whole justice system is a joke imo. you say this man was near his release date so chances are some horrific incident like this may have happened eventually anyway regardless of his escape. I hope Mr Cameron sorts this out. Well the best he can anyway

With the massive cuts they are making to the justice system, things will get worse, not better.

ETA - I wonder where most people have their perceptions of prison from? Presumably, in most cases it's from the mass media ect, rather than actually having any knowledge of prison itself. I really, really don't understand where the holiday camp analogy comes from, other than the Daily Express. In high sec. prisons, all the suggestions which are being said already happen

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

I think in some ways it must be hard but in others it isn't.
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