I do find it interesting that if you strongly believe in an invisible God with no proof (I mean like hey I am here talking to you directly, look at me kind of proof)
Well for one, I see plenty of proof all around me. We all marvel and are in awe at nature.
What about a computer the size of a pinhead that computes at the rate of a billion organized computations in 1/1000 of a second? A Honeybee. Or what about a computer the size of a cantelope that stores the memories of a lifetime in the electrical orientations of trillions upon trillions of molecules - and INDEXES them for instant retrieval? Our memory!!
It would seem that 1,000,000,000,000,000 organized neurological connections in of the brain would be sufficient to provide for memory of a lifetime. But research has shown that is far too small a number, especially when all of the neurons that form the connections are doing other tasks. Recent discoveries have shown that memories, skills and learned abilities are not just functions of an alternating and constantly changing electrical network like a computer chip, as science first believed. But instead, they are functions of the electrolization of the individual molecules that form each of the billions of neurons in the brain.
According to evolution somehow these 1,000,000,000,000,000 individual neurological connections that perform the functions of the human brain randomly came together through a series of accidental mutations in just the right arrangement. This translates into the accidental manufacture of a hard-wired electrical network containing approximately the same number of organized connections as there are leaves on the trees in a forest that is half the size of the United States.
According to evolution random chance produced a system for storing the memories of a lifetime into the electrical arrangement of the individual molecules in your brain. This arrangement is another undecipherable non-physical digital code. You believe that this non-physical digital code "grew" along side of the method for storing memories, by millions of beneficial mutations.
We could replace all of our storage systems with one human. Thats the capacity for information storage in our brains. Any volunteers?
Just to name 2 examples of brilliant design seen in nature. Accident and blind chance created all the diverse intricate design we see over and over again in nature. Its just not reasonable or satisfactory to me.
Everything else we observe in the physical world.....a house, a computer (nothing in comparison to a human brain), a cup, a watch all had a designer and a maker did it not? Yet its reasonable to conclude that far more brilliant precision, design and timing is by chance? I cannot and will not ever accept this reasoning.
If u were really objective and if u really divested yourself of all preconceived opinion about God, would you really conclude that things like a human brain were produced by millions of unobserved accidental beneficial mutations and dying animals?
But would one acknowledge what you do not believe in order to preserve your reputation and your income? Probably so.
So, even where the observations of science point toward a Creator, evolutionary scientists exclude Creationism a priori because it conflicts with a theological position that a Creator must not, under any circumstances, exist.
What is this reasoning that forecloses a particular opinion because it conflicts with the theological position that God does not exist? What is this reasoning that no matter what the evidence may be, one avenue of thought is forbidden from the beginning? Is this rational, honest inquiry?
Imo, How can the opinions of scientists like this have any credibility whatever in the creation / evolution controversy? It is like discussing the implications of DNA with a man who will not consider the possibility that atoms exist.
What business does science have in positing either the presence or the absence of a Creator?
The reason why evolutionists will not do this is because evidence for intelligent design is all through nature, and evolution can come nowhere near explaining what has been observed.
Richard Dawkins funnily enough, summed it up nicely
"Even if there were no actual evidence in favor of the Darwinian theory ... we would still be justified in preferring it over rival theories [creationism]."
Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker (NY Norton, 1986), 287, emphasis in the original
"Science, by definition, CANNOT posit a supernatural force [a Creator] as an explanation, because science has NO MEANS of empirically testing supernatural events or causes. Therefore, it is OUTSIDE the realm of science."
The un-refuted response:
The argument is circular
If science, by definition, cannot posit the existence of a Creator, then science cannot be used to prove that a Creator does not exist.
Science does not have
all the answers, and makes mistakes as all imperfect humans do.
We all have to look at the evidence, and in a non biased logical sense determine which we think to be a reasonable conclusion.
We all have the right to do so. But either argument has an element of faith. I choose to put my faith in God as i believe we have a creator so the flip side will never hold for me as being the truth.
Then there is the fact that by drawing close to God i feel his presence and guidance in my life. We all have an inbuilt spiritual need whether we acknowledge it or not.
So yes i believe in God and i dont believe its blind faith at all and this is not even mentioning the bible which for me is further proof as thorough study of it has convinced me it Gods word.
I personally find the Bible to be very interesting from a historical perspective. This book has shaped civilizations, cost many, many people their lives and 2000 years after it was written people still "follow it" despite in my opinion it being full of glaring contradictions. And yes I have actually read the Bible!!
Please detail the scriptures and accounts of these' glaring contradictions' Thanks
I also wonder why people who believe in the whole literal Bible feel that God of the Bible is good and loving... because I find a God that condones murder, rape, baby killing, genocide, incest etc to be the opposite of good and loving.
Again i dont see why you feel the need to repeat this without detailing the accounts as i know the bible very well and this is simply not true. Several posts have reasonably explained incest and there was nothing sinister about it
and the only thing i can think of that u are referring to is God removing the wicked - ending their lives. I touched on this earlier that as our creator he is well within his rights to do so to carry out justice. Removal of the wicked for the benefit of the good. We do the same thing really in our judicial system today, remove criminals from society for the benefit of everyone else.
In fact, God actually acted on behalf of Jacob’s descendants, now numbering into the millions (see EXODUS [The Number Involved in the Exodus]), protecting them during a campaign of genocide by the Egyptian government (Ex 1:15-22) and finally freeing them from harsh slavery to Egypt’s regime.
Another thing i thought of that you might be referring to.... His judgment of the people dwelling in the land of Canaan. One scholar offers this shocking description: “The worship of Baal, Ashtoreth, and other Canaanite gods consisted in the most extravagant orgies; their temples were centers of vice. . Canaanites worshiped, by immoral indulgence, ... and then,
by murdering their first-born children, as a sacrifice to these same gods.” Archaeologists have discovered jars containing the remains of the sacrificed children. Although God noted the error of the Canaanites in Abraham’s day, he showed patience toward them for 400 years, allowing them ample time to change.—Genesis 15:16.
Were the Canaanites aware of the gravity of their error? Well, they possessed the human faculty of conscience, which jurists recognize as a universal basis for morality and justice. (Romans 2:12-15) Despite that, the Canaanites persisted in their detestable child sacrifices and debased sex practices.
Jehovah in his balanced justice determined that the land needed to be cleansed.
This was not genocide. Canaanites, both individuals such as Rahab and whole groups such as the Gibeonites, who voluntarily accepted God’s high moral standards were spared. (Joshua 6:25; 9:3-15) Rahab became a link in the royal genealogy leading to the Messiah, and descendants of the Gibeonites were privileged to minister at Jehovah’s temple.—Joshua 9:27; Ezra 8:20; Matthew 1:1, 5-16.
Consequently, when one seeks the full and clear picture based on fact, it is easier to see God as an admirable and just God, and good way that benefits his faithful followers and by his actions he showed he did not condone their practices such as killing babies and children. The very opposite in fact to how u have presented him.
Rape is never ever condoned by God in the bible, i have no idea where u got this idea from and even the killing of an
unborn child is considered murder and forbidden by God (again as clearly stated in his word)