Disco Derail! - TTCAL/PAL Discussion and Support!

[grandbleu]

I'll have to read that when I get home and settled in.

Liz I'll have a read of the article.

I just finished it - it was a bit long but so good and open and honest...wow...I even cried but that's pretty normal for me anyways. A beautiful ending to a hard fertility journey and very well written. Disclaimer: the route they choose is very expensive so obviously not everyone could afford it but it was still a wonderful story (Egg donor and Two surrogates)


PS. I'm now just reading the comments to the article and they are pretty appalling...There are a bunch in support of the couple but wow the judgment of others is pretty astounding in a bad way. Here's a couple to give you an example. I'm going to stop reading them now...they are so insensitive.

"If you can't conceive, you can't conceive. Adopt if you must. Make a positive impact, and leave a legacy in other ways. Quit this nonsense of manufacturing kids like they were cars coming off an assembly line -- with parts from this place and that, and high technology directing the show."

"Perhaps if you can't conceive, that's god's way of saying find another way to expend your maternal/paternal energy. Get a fish, plant a garden, teach a child to read, knit a scarf for a homeless person - the possibilities are endless. But to make this extraordinary investment of time and energy and money to create another person from scratch when ALL the signs say don't? Incredibly narcissistic."

PPS. Reading those comments just made me happier that I am part of this forum where people understand and support where we are coming from. Thank you all for just being there

PPPS. I guess I better get a fish https://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h355/elizao33/blue_groper-2.jpg so I can exude my maternal energy.

 

[Dazed]

Thats just horrible. A person has the right to go about any means necessary to have a child should they chose to! Thats like telling someone with cancer you have to die and to use medical methods to try to beat it is wrong! But thats just my opinion.

 

[heart tree]

Hi girls. Liz, I just started the article and couldn't finish it. I've been weighing heavily in my head the idea of a surrogate these past few days. I'm really not sure I can carry a baby. I know how hard and expensive it can be to adopt. I have great eggs and Tim has great sperm, so we wouldn't need a donor, just a body to carry. It is a hard pill to swallow, but I think I need to start seriously thinking about other alternatives. The article was a little too close to home right now. I'll bookmark it and read it in the next few weeks. Thanks for sharing it though. I'm glad it was featured in the NYT.

I just had a major meltdown with Tim. He asked me how I was feeling and I started crying and telling him that my uterus hurt which wasn't normal. I told him I was now hoping I wasn't pregnant because something feels off. I'm so mad at this condition I have. There is so little known about it that I can't really turn to anyone to get answers. I would like to think the spotting had to do with ovulation, but honestly girls, I think it has to do with this condition and the drugs I've been taking. My estrogen levels trigger the bad tissue in my uterus. That in turn can cause abnormal bleeding and spotting. I really think this is the reason for all of this. If that's true, I fear that there is blood in my uterus which wouldn't be a good environment for a baby. I lost my first baby to a blood clot.

Sorry to get so down about this. I just feel isolated with this condition. I've searched this site for other women with it and have come up with only a few. Out of those few, only one has had a baby. And her pregnancy was very difficult. She's now been told she should consider having another baby immediately as she'll need a hysterectomy soon. And she's younger than me.

I'm done with my rant now. I was just hoping for an exciting tww, not a sad one. Guess not.

Vicky, glad you had a nice day. I love broccoli soup. I love soup in general. Think I'll have some for dinner tonight.

Lucy, you sound like you are in a good place. I hope you walk away from that appointment with great news honey.

Ok, I'm off to start on those cards. The creative process always seems to pull me out of a funk.

 

[Allie84]

Hahaha! Get a fish?!?!?! What an ignorant sod. I'm willing to bet that was a man without children!

Hearty, my first thought was that it was ovulation bleeding and you just had a super powerful ov this time with a strong egg!

Good luck to you, Dazed, and grandbleu in the 2ww!

Lucy, it sounds like a cozy day. Get all the rest you need, I say!

Vicky, it's true about food isn't it? Any way to make it richer, they will! It sounds like a nice day, though.

It is quiet in here. I went and had an hour long massage this morning. Ahh, it was heaven. Then I met Alex at his work for lunch (they have a nice restaurant/canteen thingy). Now I'm about to look into accupuncture...see if my insurance covers it. Hearty, have you had much luck with it shortening your cycles or do you think it's all down to the Femara?

I hope everyone's having a nice Wednesday.

 

[vickyd]

Hearty it must be so fustrating that this condition is so rare that you have such limited information...Is there anyway of talking to your fs about the spotting and if its connected to the condition?

 

[hoping:)]

Hi girls I hope you all had a nice Christmas

I finally got af on Sunday. Christmas morning I took a test and it came up with a very faint line but then I started spotting later that night so I don't know if it was a chemical or an evap. Either way I'm happy to finally start a new cycle. Unlucky for me, my FS' office is closed this whole week so I was unable to get my cd 3 testing I will still be able to do my saline ultrasound next week. Does only the FSH hormone level have to be tested at cd 3? Can they test my thyroid, estrogen, testosterone etc after that?

Good luck tomorrow, Lucy

Megg, did you get a scan date yet? I am very excited to hear about it!

Hearty, I hope the pain you are feeling is just a super o and a nice eggy was released

 

[grandbleu]

Oh sorry Hearty - I didn't want to upset anyone. I don't know about the condition you have but I just am so sorry you have to go through this pain and also the unknown a bit since it seems to be rare. You will be a wonderful mom...I really hope that you can have a baby no matter which way he or she comes to you. I guess that's why I shared the article because babies and love can come in so many different ways.

Allie - Aren't you lucky! Sounds like a great day. When my sister went through her LTTTC journey she went to do acupuncture and went to a naturopath as well and she did get pregnant. She doesn't know if those things had anything to do with it but she said that just doing something proactive to help her through her long journey was helpful emotionally and if it helped physically to conceive then all the better. She now has a beautiful baby daughter. If your insurance covers it then I would go for it.

 

[LucyJ]

Hearty I just want to give you a big squeeze

Allie a massage sounds lovely where are you in your cycle?

Liz I can't believe those comments people have no idea and can be so stupid.

 

[Allie84]

Hearty, we must have posted too near the same time as I just saw your post. I'm so sorry about your meltdown! I hope making the cards helps you feel better. Can you talk to your doctor about the spotting and see what they think? Are you 100% sure it's your condition and not ov or the meds? I mean I'm normally one to say trust intuition but sometimes when we're feeling down in the dumps our intuition can be falsely skewed towards the negative. If you can afford it or have someone who will do it, I'm all for surrogacy. It really isn't imminent for you now, though. You still have other options as you know. I know Sarah Jessica Parker did surrogacy...I don't know if it was medical or just not wanting to be pregnant, though. Anyways, I'm rambling.

Hoping, I think the rest of the tests can be done any day, but FSH would need to be CD2 or 3. What is a saline ultrasound? Is it like an HSG? Sorry about the witch.

Thanks, grandbleu. I like hearing it worked for someone! I don't want to waste money on it, especially if in the end I need to end up trying to Clomid or something, but I figure it's worth a shot! I really think it's my long cycles that have kept me from getting pregnant. I've only ovulated before CD21 once since I've been keeping track.

 

[cazza22]

Oh hearty my love I'm so sorry that I cannot understand more about ur condition Hun it must be so frustrating. On a positive note with this bean the cycle I got caught I had 2 bouts of brown spotting one I'm assuming was OV and the other IB? Fingers crossed it's an extra strong eggy being released xxxx

 

[Allie84]

Hey Lucy,

I'm CD9, in the long wait before ov. I'm not temping yet or taking soy or doing anything this cycle since it's my week off from work for the holidays. I'm trying to take away as much stress as I can! I bet ovulation is still over 2 weeks away for me, anyways.

 

[grandbleu]

Allie - My sister basically said she thinks that the combination naturopath and acupuncture helped prepare her body to its best place to have a baby. Like everything was in perfect harmony...it sounds a bit new agey but I really do like the idea of alternative therapies. I would do it myself but I would have no idea where to start in France plus we are not so good with money at the moment so trying to be frugal.

 

[LucyJ]

Caz how are you feeling? How's little one doing?

 

[heart tree]

That's true Amber and Allie, I didn't consider that I might have had a super strong O. It is in the realm of possibility given the drugs I'm taking. Thanks for giving me that perspective.

Vicky, what they do know about this condition is that it can cause abnormal spotting and bleeding and that it can cause uterine discomfort/pain throughout a woman's cycle. The pain eventually gets so bad that women opt for a hysterectomy as this is the only current treatment for it. I spoke to my FS about this condition already. She has limited knowledge about it. Also, it is one of those conditions that can't be 100% diagnosed until a hysterectomy is done. Based on my MRI and ultrasounds, they've made an educated guess that's what it is. The spotting has stopped for the moment but the cramping has not. It's not horrible cramps, just an all over discomfort in my entire uterus.

Amber, I think you can get all of your other tests done on other days. I think it is only the FSH that has to be done on day 3. Sorry AF took so long. Also sorry you think it might have been a chemical. Let's just make the assumption that it was an evap for peace of mind.

Liz, you didn't upset me hon. I've been upset. I think this article is wonderful and I'm truly happy it was written and published in such a respectable publication. I've been making some decisions lately. If I get pregnant and have another mc, I'm not sure how much more I can take. I think I'll talk to Tim at that point about surrogacy. As much as it would kill me not to carry my own baby like I always dreamed, it would kill me even more not to have a baby with him. I need to wait to see if I'm pregnant obviously. Once I know, then I'll go and read the article. I'm just not completely ready to entertain that prospect yet. Not today anyway.

Allie, I didn't find that acupuncture has helped to shorten my Ov time. I did find it help to regulate my cycles though. It is also just such a relaxing and wonderful thing to do. I highly recommend it.

 

[cazza22]

hey everyone :wave:
back to crappy work 4 me today booooo!! I just wanna hibernate haha lazy cow! I've got a new symptom going on this week I'm ITCHING on my tum and boobs it's the most anoying itch, I'm smothering on the cocoa butter for the stretchies and had my blood pressure checked because I read it can be signs of preaclampsia? My BP is fine though thankfully

Meggles I remember ur older posts about ur urine not processing hcg in big doses, I think the way you've kept piccies of your tests throughout ur hcg shots is a reallh good idea because when they get darker your gonna know ur numbers are above that of ur hcg shots do over 2000/3000 . I did 36 tests so I'm in no place to tell
you to stop testing do whatever keeps you sane baby doll! Xxxx lov ya

Ps yay I'm an avocado lol xxxx

 

[heart tree]

Caz, look at you with your little avocado at 16 weeks! Congrats honey!

Thanks for all the hugs and squeezes girls. Love you all.

 

[cazza22]

Hey luce :wave: I'm coolio gorgeous how's thee n bubba bean?? All good I hope chicky dee xxxx ooohh n yay for 3+ on Digi xxxx

 

[grandbleu]

Cazza - Avocados are my favorite...had one tonight with a bit of salt...yum! Glad your baby is busy growing.

 

[hoping:)]

Allie- the saline ultrasound is where they inject the uterus with a saline solution to check for abnormalities in the uterus. I hope you get the stress free cycle you want! I thought taking a break from temping and using opk's would be less stressful but I found it to be more because I was unsure of when I o'd so I couldn't be sure when af would arrive. This cycle I will temp until O and then sit back and relax

Hearty- I'll take your advice and assume it was an evap

 

[cazza22]

Thanks heartylicious it's mad isn't it, I'm in shock to be here, don't think it's ever gonna sink in keep thinking to myself that I'm imagining this whole thing it's crazy? Then I look down n am like "this may actually happen" I'm doing a good job of staying grounded though I have a good safety guard up! Xxx fx'd this might b the one. Lov u huny I really hope this us an extra strong eggy that is lovely n fertilised as we speak xxxx