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lilmiss - not to mention a comment like that could be really upsetting to someone if they're paranoid about preterm labor!

My most annoying comments thus far have all been about how much more I'm going to love this baby than the baby who I've cared for since birth whom I'm hoping to adopt. Makes me so angry. But my belly is starting to grow a LOT week by week so I'm sure some of those "you're huge" comments are just around the corner. Fortunately, I love my bump, so much more than I thought I would. So I'm not too worried about that. Maybe I should start thinking of witty comebacks now ;)

Wow that is so insensitive!! Can't believe people would actually say that out loud to you :S do you manage to keep your cool when they say that? I think I would explode lol.

My most annoying comments are when I say I'm having a boy and people say 'oh fantastic!! Boys are definitely better than girls!' Or 'oh the bond between a mother and son is like nothing you'll ever have felt before'. Both of which I have had from numerous people (all people with boys). It really angers me because I already have a 3 year old daughter who I love with every bit of my being so the suggestion that I'm going to love this baby any more than I do her or think he's 'better' than her really annoys me. I'll love both of my children exactly the same regardless of their genders so I don't know why people feel the need to make stupid comments like that x
 
lilmiss - not to mention a comment like that could be really upsetting to someone if they're paranoid about preterm labor!

My most annoying comments thus far have all been about how much more I'm going to love this baby than the baby who I've cared for since birth whom I'm hoping to adopt. Makes me so angry. But my belly is starting to grow a LOT week by week so I'm sure some of those "you're huge" comments are just around the corner. Fortunately, I love my bump, so much more than I thought I would. So I'm not too worried about that. Maybe I should start thinking of witty comebacks now ;)

Wow that is so insensitive!! Can't believe people would actually say that out loud to you :S do you manage to keep your cool when they say that? I think I would explode lol.

My most annoying comments are when I say I'm having a boy and people say 'oh fantastic!! Boys are definitely better than girls!' Or 'oh the bond between a mother and son is like nothing you'll ever have felt before'. Both of which I have had from numerous people (all people with boys). It really angers me because I already have a 3 year old daughter who I love with every bit of my being so the suggestion that I'm going to love this baby any more than I do her or think he's 'better' than her really annoys me. I'll love both of my children exactly the same regardless of their genders so I don't know why people feel the need to make stupid comments like that x
 
Yea, it's pretty insensitive and makes me SO sad for the babe we have at home. I never want her to feel like that.

People don't say that EXACTLY - but they do say things along the lines of "well it will be interesting to see how things will be different now that this is YOUR baby", which, to me insinuates that there will be a difference in how I feel (i.e. love). We literally brought this child home from the hospital and have loved and cared for her for her entire life, aside from 4.5 days after she was born when she was admitted. I love this child so much that sometimes it physically hurts. She is my baby. We are her mothers. End of story.

I usually start with that and hope they'll let it go. Surprisingly, most don't and continue to push that the biological connection will cause me to treat this child differently (such as, I won't be able to stand hearing this child cry, after I've mentioned that we do a modified form of CIO with Peanut). At THAT point I point out to them that my wife is not biologically related to either of the children and ask if that means I'll love said child more than she will. That's when they get uncomfortable and usually end the questioning. (hence my comment about Chicago taking a more mature route than I would. ;) )
 
Oh, I definitely wouldn't be mature about that crap... Talk about my bump all you want but don't you dare challenge my love for my child. I don't understand some people at all...
 
Finally have a second to write more than a sentence or two.

I think some people are just insensitive jerks but I'd like to think that many people just don't realize what they are saying or how it could be perceived. Someone asked me the other day if I was getting any closer to finding a name and when I answered no they said "well just don't pick the name Cole, every Cole I have ever met is a complete asshole." ??? I guess I just don't see the need for that, it's a cute name (and even if it wasn't), what if by chance I WAS considering that name? I think people just don't think sometimes.

I actually love when people tell me I'm getting huge. My son was little, although absolutely healthy, and for some reason I'm sensitive about it. It makes me feel bad, like why didn't my body make a bigger baby? Was it IVF? All the ultrasounds? The coffee? Because I worked so much? Didn't sleep enough or eat healthy enough? When people say I'm getting huge it makes me feel like maybe, just maybe, this one will make it to 7lbs. If I don't go early, which I'm petrified about.

Sav- I'm going to play devils advocate and this may not be taken well, because although clearly what people have said is completely insensitive, maybe it wasn't meant exactly how you took it? Love is love, and of coarse you are going to love both of your children the same, but how you will have arrived at that love will be a bit different. I loved how awesome talked about it in your journal. My wife and I love our son exactly the same. It's not that I love him more because I carried him or breastfed him, but when and how we came to love him is different. I'm not going to say that I fell in love with him the second I saw him, because I didn't. At all. But it did happen within a few hours and then there it was, this overwhelming earth shattering love that I had only heard or read about. My wife on the other hand, although smitten with him from the start of coarse, fell in love with our son over the course of many weeks and months as she got to know him, as she cared for him, as they bonded and as her world completely changed because of him needing her. She absolutely has that same earth shattering love for him too, but it happened differently and at a different time for her than it did for me. And that may or may not have to do with the biology of it all because my understanding is that is how many fathers fall in love with their children too. You may or may not feel different when this new baby cries, but it won't be because you love one more than the other. I definitely felt different than my wife did when our son cried, but it wasn't because I loved him more. Fathers too many times feel differently when listening to their babies cry than mothers do, especially if the mom is breastfeeding because that physically releases extra hormones and chemicals in the mothers brain that doesn't happen to the father. I'm not saying a mother who doesn't breastfeed isn't upset when her baby cries, I'm only saying that additional hormones are excreted in the brain of a breastfeeding mother, which is what helps signal the production of milk. A good friend of mine told me that she felt different during sleep training with her first who was formula fed than with her second who was breastfed, but that clearly wasn't because she loved one more than the other, it had everything to do with hormones, not love. And on the opposite end of the spectrum, I have a good friend who hated the baby stage and all crying from her daughters, in particular the second one, before the age of 1 appeared to annoy the shit out of her and aggrevate her to no end. She just couldn't handle it and hated every minute of motherhood until her daughters were toddlers. But despite that, she of coarse loved both of her girls desperately and felt so guilty she didn't like them more until they were older. I know that the way that those comments were made to you most likely implied what you thought it did, but I just wanted to offer another point of view of feeling different things that actually have nothing to do with how much you love someone. Am I digging myself into a hole?? I certainly don't mean to because being a two mom family I will be the first to say that love is love is love is love and one kind of love isn't more meaningful or deeper than another love. Am I making any sense or am I just putting you off more??? And when I talked about breastfeeding, I in no way meant to insinuate anything about love or bonding. My friend who couldn't stand her daughters as babies actually was a die hard breastfeeding mother. For me, its true that my son and I bonded differently because of our breastfeeding relationship, but truth be told, while yes our relationships with our son is very different and biology and breastfeeding absolutely played a role in mine, I would have to say that my wife probably is much closer to him in many ways and hands down his "favorite" these days. I would guess the same thing will happen with this baby too. I would imagine that earth shattering love will hit me before I leave the hospital, while my wife will fall in love with him little by little over the course of a few months as they get to know each other and as she cares for him. Of coarse she will love him from the start just like she did our first son, but that deep parental love for her will come a tad later. In the end, the love is the same, but it will happen at different times for each of us. And that's ok. Did I dig myself into the dog house? I just was trying to offer, an 'it's ok if you do feel different, it doesn't mean the love is different' kind of alternative way of looking at it. You just will have arrived to that love from a different place. ❤️
 
Hey Ging - You know I appreciate your differing perspectives. :)

I totally understand what you're saying, however I still feel it's missing a piece of the puzzle. There is an assumption that hormones AUTOMATICALLY create a nurturing, motherly connection. I think that's a dangerous assumption as there are plenty of biological mothers who struggle to bond with their children, post delivery. I have a friend who has two children, one she bonded instantly, and one it took her almost 9 months to feel that connection. I think it's important to remember that there isn't any one experience that we all will have, and it's, in my opinion, even more important to talk about when our own experience deviates from the "norm".

For example, plenty of women experience a strong bond with their child in utero. I don't. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited to be pregnant and think it's fascinating/cool that I can feel this tiny human growing inside of me, but I don't have this overwhelming "I've loved you since before I met you" feeling that some people do. I'm not sitting in a rocking chair knitting baby booties. I sort of dread the idea of breastfeeding rather than getting excited for this miraculous experience I'm about to have (or whatever). I don't question or doubt people who do experience those things, but it's not me. I tend to move slower.

That said, I do hear what you're saying. Hormones are real and they're in me. From a species standpoint, there are chemicals that will physically require me to connect to this infant in order to ensure that infant's survival. I don't so much mind people bringing that up. And I'm certainly familiar with people accidentally saying offensive things when they don't mean to (I did come out in the late 90s when there were tons of well meaning people who just didn't know how to talk to/about gay people yet. Crazy how quickly times change!). What angers me, is when those same people INSIST that x will be different, even when I try to explain to them that it is not. I understand the process of how/when the bond happens may be different. Yes - while I immediately had a desire to care for Peanut (who doesn't have an instinctual need to care for an infant, after all), I didn't immediately fall in love with her. That took time. I'm not even sure when it happened, honestly, it was like I was slipping down a hill and before I even knew it I was madly in love with this child.. But it definitely took time. Who knows how the bonding process will go with this one. Maybe it'll be instant? Maybe it won't, such as the case for my friend, or my sister, who actually described falling in love with her son in a similar fashion that I just did with Peanut. But what won't change - is how I parent. SJ and I have been parenting for over 2 years now. We've worked through some of the initial bumps in figuring out what style/strategy fits us (as much as one can.. those kids keep on changing!). I am not an attachment parent. I'm not going to become an attachment parent just because this particular child came from my body. I get angry when people try to CONVINCE me that I will, because I'll feel SO differently about this child.

It's the attempt to convince. The apparent desire to "prove me wrong" when I try to explain that I feel confident and comfortable in my parenting role. That's where I feel like they are teetering on a line between discussing biology and a more advanced form of "love".

Does that make sense? I've said before in your journal that I sort of love when we disagree, because you're always so thoughtful in your positions. I just wanted to let you know I took zero offense to your response, just as I would take zero offense if the real life conversations went in a similar fashion. I think this is why I like to point out the notion that SJ is not biologically related to this child either. It gets people to think about the words that they're saying, because words matter.
 
It seems that in general people are pretty insensitive to many things that a pregnant woman goes through.
 
People just love to prove pregnant women wrong. I got it a lot when I mentioned wanting a drug free birth with Teddy. I did end up with an epidural but I'm completely happy with my choice to try unmedicated and I'm trying again with this one. On the other hand, I've stuck pretty closely to a lot of my gentle/attachment parenting ideals that people think are crazy. Sometimes parents are wrong because you can't predict everything, but there's a huge difference between a concerned loved one reminding you that it's ok to reassess and change your path, and a pushy know it all telling you everything you want to do is wrong.
 
Sav- I think at the core we are saying the same thing, just maybe in different ways??? My only point was that you very well may feel differently, but not because you love differently. And I brought up my friend who while she loved breastfeeding, hated having babies and felt annoyed when her babies cried to bring up the opposite end of the spectrum to make the point that feeling different doesn't mean the love is any less or any more. I really do think our argument and position is the same. I know the people who have made those comments to you were most likely coming from a standpoint that your love will be different, which we both know is ridiculous. But I do think it's completely reasonable to think that your feelings may be very different and how you come to love this baby may be very different as well. If my wife were to carry our next child (there isn't going to be a next one, but if there was) I think it would be a very different experience for me. I know I would love that baby with all my heart but I can guarantee it would take some time for me to feel that way. And that's ok. I also think it's reasonable to believe that parenting styles and philosophies aren't etched in stone and that sometimes people make choices for one that they didn't make for another. Again, I don't think that's about biology or love, I think that's just because people evolve, change, feel differently, or sometimes it's because the needs of the child is so different that that's what drives parents to respond or handle something differently. And that can mean a variety of things and go a variety of ways. You know this from reading my journal that I now feel very differently about some things that almost seems counterintuitive coming from a nurse, but information and experiences have now shown me another side of something I never in a million years would have questioned before. So... I guess my only point is never say never. We all are ever growing and changing our stances, positions, and feelings based on experiences, where we are in life, what our needs are, and what works for our families. I totally understand your point in that I would be annoyed too if someone was trying to convince me that X would definitely change how I think, or how I parent, or what my beliefs and philosophies were. But my only point is that we are all always changing and how we feel today may not be how we feel tomorrow. I know, you want to kill me now...I can't help it. :)
 
People just love to prove pregnant women wrong. I got it a lot when I mentioned wanting a drug free birth with Teddy. I did end up with an epidural but I'm completely happy with my choice to try unmedicated and I'm trying again with this one. On the other hand, I've stuck pretty closely to a lot of my gentle/attachment parenting ideals that people think are crazy. Sometimes parents are wrong because you can't predict everything, but there's a huge difference between a concerned loved one reminding you that it's ok to reassess and change your path, and a pushy know it all telling you everything you want to do is wrong.

Maybe it's partly an insecurity thing on our own part? I love what you said about being reminded that it's ok to reassess and change your path, but maybe everyone is worried because, if "you" choose a different path than "my" path must be wrong. In reality - there are so many paths and it's just about finding the one that works for your family.

My sister is a full on attachment parent. I am very much so not. I love that we have different styles! At first, it was a little difficult - I felt judged and, to be honest, I judged her too. But now, we can talk about it like it's nothing. Ex: When selecting a breast pump she went for one that was a bit more expensive than I did. While we were both deliberating (she just had a baby so we've been doing a lot of pre-baby prep together) we talked about how her selection makes sense for her, as she's planning on EBF, but it probably doesn't for me as I'm planning a breast milk/formula hybrid. It was so nice to just acknowledge the difference without it being a battle to convince the other person why they should do x.

Chicago - kind of funny, I'm almost nervous to tell my friends that I'm open to the idea of an epidural. I'm kind of in the same boat as you, I'm planning on seeing how it goes with no interventions, but I'm not against the idea of an epidural, either. I have NO idea which way it'll go.
 
I'm finding the birth parent hormone discussion interesting. I know in our family, the babies are very abstract for DH until they're born. He isn't interested in the kicks beyond knowing the baby is healthy, he isn't too bothered about the ultrasounds or Doppler, but he's very much focused on my well being because I'm a real, concrete thing in his life. It's unusual to me because as the one carrying the baby and living the symptoms, the baby is very very real. I think the flood of emotion almost came as a shock to him when Teddy was born, whereas to me it was just a continuation.

You're so right about that secret judgement. It's easy to read too much into other parents' decisions and how it reflects on you. But even as a parent who's admittedly on a more extreme end of the parenting spectrum, there are very few decisions that I'll actually judge, and they're the ones that I think will actually bring harm to the child. We're all just working in the best interests of our children, and we're all parenting in the real world, not some ideal where everything goes according to plan.

With birth especially, it's so important to educate yourself and be aware of your options and open to change. I really wanted that med free hippie water birth (still do), but in the end I knew if I didn't get some quality sleep I would be at much higher risk of more extreme interventions. It's just such an unknown, you have to do whatever keeps you and the baby safe and sane. So baby moms end up with a lot of emotional trauma when their birth plans go too far off track (and of course some births are actually traumatic on their own), but in the end you just have to have confidence in your decisions. The only person who knows whether pain relief is necessary is the one giving birth.
 
Babybump - Sounds like a horrible experience with the GD test. I'm so sorry to hear it made you sick. I fear that this time because I've had a lot more sickness this pregnancy than in previous pregnancies, and getting sick in front of people is literally one of my worst fears. Really hope I can keep the drink down this time.

Savasanna - I know, right? Preterm labor is always at the back of my mind because of my history of my cervix giving out prematurely (plus I've had two D&Cs in the past) but I always walk around 3-4 cm dilated for a week or two before I actually go into labor and I've never made it to my due date in any of my pregnancies. People can be SO insensitive!

I don't understand why people who are pregnant are automatically set up to take insults from complete strangers. I really don't. I too was judged in my first pregnancy for opting to birth with a midwife rather than a doctor because I wanted a drug free birth. Here, that just isn't the norm, especially in your first pregnancy, and a lot of people told me I was "harming the baby" by not letting a doctor birth me. I'm really thinking about doing a homebirth with this baby because of a terrible experience with a hospital birth during my last pregnancy but I'm not going to tell anyone close to me that because I'd hate to see how many rude comments I'd get then.
 
I have one child before this pregnancy and didn't feel like I bonded with the baby until after he was born and maybe two months old. Pregnancy is a medical condition that I do not enjoy at all. To me it just part of how I became a parent but not the reason I love my child.

People often judge and wait for you to fail in parenting. I tried to go without medication the first delivery and I will not try that again. It will have to be forced upon by a very speedy delivery, otherwise I want the epidural as soon as I am able. That is just me speaking from my own experience.
 
Hey ladies just an update..

I found out my GD results today. So pre sugary drink my result was 4.6 or something, normal. After the drink it was 7.7 - and 7.8 or higher is where they re-test you and possibly put you on medication throughout pregnancy so I've just escaped it however she isn't worried and told me there's no need to make any changes in my diet etc. She said she may decide to re test my blood at a later date but for now she isn't worried. As she said they need to put the line somewhere!

Little lady gave us a huge fright today. I felt next to NO movement all day. However had my 28 w/k midwife appt this afternoon so did point it out to her. She heard HB on her Doppler etc but as she said movement is much more important so she referred me to hospital where I've spent my afternoon/evening! Pretty straight forward they strapped one of those Dopplers to my stomach and monitored her heart for 45 minutes. Every time I felt a movement I had to press a button on this handheld device. After 45 mins the printout of her heart rate came out and the doctor came round to me. He said the pattern of her HR was perfect, and each time I felt her I pressed the button which recorded a mark on the chart and around this time her heart rate rised considerably as normal like it's meant to do. They let me home without worry and I have felt her since although movements feel different so I think she may have moved position.

The worry these little ones cause! :nope:

I have my 4D scan tomorrow, 28 wks exactly. So that'll put my mind at rest for sure :)

I haven't read through the comments but I hope you're all well.
 
Those babies love to scare us! Mine keeps changing positions so I don't feel her as well for a couple days, and it always makes me paranoid. If I couldn't clearly feel that she was kicking in a different spot I'd probably have been calling the midwife too.
 
Glad your in the clear for now babybump, and that your little one is doing fine.

Nothing much to report here. Had my GTT the other week, was told would only hear back from it if something showed up. Not heard anything so guessing all is clear.
I see my midwife again on Thursday (27weeks) so will have more routine bloods done. I've also booked for a 3D/4D scan for Friday.
 
I feel like movement is one area where I'm glad this is my first (only?) pregnancy. Similar to Chicago, I'll have days where I really don't notice movement as much. Maybe it's her position or that I'm distracted that day (probably both?), but it'll be late evening before I realize that I haven't felt her in a while. And of course when you stop to try to pay attention she NEVER moves.. Anyway, I have nothing to compare this to so I just assume that's normal. I'm kind of refusing kick counts for that reason. I'm having an average of 2 appointments per month (soon to be more!) to check in on her and everything has come back normal thus far.. so I just assume all is good and whatever I am (or am not) feeling is normal.

Something cool happened the other day though - my wife and I were laying down watching TV when she mentioned that she wanted to feel the baby. I told her that I hadn't felt her in a little while so she might be sleeping right now. My wife started talking to my belly asking the baby to wake up and BAM! huge kick to her face. It was exciting/sweet. :)

This is all starting to be so real! Third trimester!
 
Aww, how nice of baby to cooperate! Mine have both gone into hiding if anyone wanted to feel ;)

We're getting to a point where keeping track of movement really is important. A specific number of kicks is less important, because they do have quiet days, but it can save your baby's life if you pay attention to what's normal for them and call in if there's reduced movement. It's the first and often only warning sign of a problem in the third trimester - by the time your midwife can't find a heartbeat at a routine appointment it's too late.

I don't mean to be a scary fear-mongerer, but it's one of the only ways we have to really protect and monitor our babies before they arrive. I would take it seriously.
 
That's so sweet sava :)

Yeah i think that's the same with me - I got so use to feeling her kicks right at the front of my stomach and then all of a sudden nothing! The labour ward who checked me over told me they think it's where she's changed position and I just was t feeling her so well if at all.

I had my 4D scan today - she's so perfect
Weighs roughly 2lb 8oz already and has a head of hair the sonographer said.
 

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