Epidural- why are people so against it?

I am going for a natural birth as my hospital doesn't have epi's, all the specialist stuff is moved to another hospital about 15 mins away.

Prefer to have my baby born at my chosen hospital, although I would probably have every drug underneath the sun otherwise!

Same with me for my first, I had him at Huddersfield which is a natural birthing centre. I'm going to Calderdale this time round but still the birth centre so no epidurals there either.

I don't want one, it's a control thing. I want to feel it, I don't want to not be in control, I don't want a needle, I don't want my baby to have drugs in his system. But that's just me.
 
But this is exactly my point, it hurts because we believe it will hurt, because everyone tells us it will hurt, because all the TV shows, show us it hurts, and then they tell us drugs are the answer....

No one (unless you go looking) will tell you that its actually one of the most amazing feelings on earth knowing you are feeling every bit of delivering your baby. No one tells you, that it will never be more then your body can handle, becaues its your body thats doing it, your body will NEVER put itself through more then it can handle. Yes, it hurts, but so does running a marathon, you're pushing your body to its limits, and I can't think of a better medal then a baby at the end of that thats not affected by the side effects of drugs in its system as it takes its first breath.

From all that I've read an epidural doesn't mean the baby will be born with drugs in it's system, infact, I plan to avoid any drugs and go straight to the epidural, as it will numb by pain but have no effect on baby? Am I wrong?

The Epidural does contain drugs how on earth do you think it works? It contains pain killing drugs, opoid drugs similar to pethidine, and blood pressure lowering drugs as the nature of the beast is that it can dramatically raise your blood pressure otherwise. The problem is in some cases women react badly to any one of the drugs in the cocktail and yes this can affect them and affect the baby. This information should all be in the consent form when you sign for the epidural but often at that stage women are not in the right frame of mind to read it calmly and clearly.

Thankfully in my old area a consent form for an epidural was in the maternity notes and it put me off for life. The potential risks just didnt seem worth it at all. Labour pain affects everyone in different ways and for me it wasn't so much the pain but the incredible feeling of pressure which wasn't nice but it could easily be handled with gas and air. I did have one of mine without gas and air and it was what is known as a precipitous labour, 1 hour 45 mins from start to finish. It was manageable but not an experience I would choose to repeat. My youngest I had with just gas and air again and it wasn't unpleasant at all. When I was pushing him out I was daydreaming I was trying to score a basketball into a slightly too small hoop, and after he came out I wasn't in any pain at all I just felt normal xx

'How in earth' do I think it works? Of course it contains drugs, However from what I have read, these are delivered straight to the epidural space and it is not proven to enter the bloodstream of the baby or have any affect on them. Everything I've read states there is no evidence to suggest this, unlike when diamorhphine/pethidine is administered. It is statistically the most common form of pain relief used in childbirth, so I'll take from that that it is, in the vast majority of cases, very safe.
I'm very glad your labour was easily handled and not unpleasant at all, you're extremely lucky.

If it lowers the blood pressure of the mother too much this can have the knock on effect of causing distress in the baby, perhaps by affecting blood flow to the baby via the placenta. Also an epidural can unnaturally prolong labour quite significantly and this can also cause the baby to become tired and distressed, particularly if the mother has been induced and as such has bedn experiencing abnormally strong contractions for a prolonged period of time.

No I wasn't 'extremely lucky' at all, far from it, many many women have good experiences in labour, no it isn't completely pain free but doesn't mean it isn't manageable. Everyone I know who has had an epidural barring one lady who was extremely lucky has ended up needing either forceps/ventouse or an emergency c-section due to complications, or temporary paralysis (though there is a very slight risk of this being permanent) or unpleasant headaches which again are usually temporary but can continue life long in rare cases.

Just because the epidural is commonly used doesn't mean it is without risk or completely safe, up until the 70s in some areas of the US they used a method of pain relief called twilight sleep which involved morphine and another drug that acted as an amnesiac. This was very widely used and some women swore by it, but it resulted in a lot of stillbirths and women being horrendously traumatised by flashbacks. It was known for a while it could be potentially dangerous by some experts but this was swept under the carpet by doctors and others as it was a way of keeping women quiet and under control during labour and giving birth. Unfortunately in some regards the epidural is viewed the same as twilight sleep once was, women who have had an epidural are perceived as needing less one to one care although in the long run they may well need more interventions and the costs incurred may be greater xx
 
^^Nice response

I tried to look up whether epidural drugs conclusively enter into the mother's bloodstream, and while I can't find anything conclusive, they do enter the mother's bloodstream. Anything that enters the mother's bloodstream enters into the baby's bloodstream, so it certainly makes sense that these drugs affect the baby, even if people don't know exactly to what extent.

What I did find was that epidural use negatively affects breastfeeding success and that mothers who had an epidural were significantly more likely to supplement with bottles while still in the hospital. (https://www.jabfm.org/content/16/1/7.short)

I also found that epidurals are associated with slowly progressing labours, increased use of instruments to assist in delivery, and adverse neonatal outcome. (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00540-012-1480-9)

Epidurals have real risks, and they generally lead to a whole host of unpleasant interventions. It's just good to be aware of these risks, because a lot of women think they'll just get numbed up and have a pleasant time without any side effects.
 
My reasons for wanting to try delivery without one is that I'm scared.

I don't like the idea of my spine being messed with.

I know how I react to pain killers and they wear off very slow and make me sick.

I don't want to raise chances of tearing, c-section, slowing labor.

None of it is because I want to prove anything or that I think an epi is bad for baby because I honestly don't think it does. I am just more afraid of an epi than I am of pain of childbirth.

Maybe at the time I'll change my mind and I'm totally open to that. :)

Edit: forgot to add that I am extremely headache-prone and I can't just take a pill and make it go away. A friend of mine had the spinal headaches and couldn't even tend to her baby because the pain was debilitating. Since my headaches can be debilitating already I'm terrified to risk it!
 
Slowering labours...not too sure about this one...I had to be induced because my water broke but had no contraction even 12 hours later. It took 8 hours to get from 1cm to 4 cm, and when I got the epidural, I went from 4 to 10 cm in 2 hours!! I could move, stand up, sleep (yes, I was tired), and I only pushed for 30 minutes. No side-effects for me:thumbup: I tried to stay natural as long as I could, but between the oxytocin I was given at high doses and my 100% back labor, the pain was just too much, and it wasn't getting us anywhere.
 
I won't have one because it decreases chances of breastfeeding success.


I haven't read all 11 pages of this thread yet so I'm sorry if any of this has previously been posted, but this is not true.

Breastfeeding success depends entirely on the will of the mother to persevere despite any difficulties, and a little bit of luck as well. It doesn't always work, but an epidural is irrelevant to success.

Having an epidural makes absolutely no difference to your milk coming in, to being able to have skin to skin contact with your baby, to your baby wanting to suckle, to anything that has anything to do with breastfeeding.

Also, an epidural does not pass through the placenta to the baby, making it a better choice than drugs like pethidine that can and do pass through, potentially slowing the baby's heartrate down and causing distress if given too close to second stage.

An epidural does not always guarantee pain free - if given too close to the birth it will have absolutely no effect whatsoever. You can also choose to have a patient controlled epidural. Where they give you the drug, but start off quite a low dose, and you have control of upping the dose when you feel you can't cope. There are also walking epidurals available, that allow you to still be partly mobile and to feel the baby descending the birth canal.

Yes, having an epidural can increase the risk of other intervention slightly, and as with ANY drug, there is risk involved. But that risk must be objectively weighed up against the benefits for each person. And the risks should be factual rather than heresay from one person to another.

It can lower your blood pressure and it can increase intervention in some cases. It can cause shivers and vomiting and it can fail to work. But it has no impact on breastfeeding success whatsoever.

As for it slowing labour down, it can if given too early. If given once you are over 5cm, it is highly unlikely to slow down your labour. There is also every chance that at 5cm dilated, regardless of how long it has taken to get to that 5cm (3cm is when active labour begins), you may well dilate so quickly to 10cm that you feel the need to push within minutes, or at least a much much shorter time than it took you to get to 5cm.

So you may have an epidural at 5cm and within an hour you are at 10cm. There is no way of knowing this in advance, even for women like myself who have had multiple births.

Every labour is different and every woman is different. Yes, women have been doing this for thousands of years, but in our current society, women have not been doing pregnancy, labour and motherhood in the same way as our forebears. Therefore, expecting your labour to be like someone who lived 1000years ago is slightly unrealistic. There are many many people who manage a totally drug free birth and good on them for doing so. But there are many many women who don't for whatever reason and that doesn't take away from the euphoria of birth.

You will still feel the 'i did it!" moment. You DID do it, after all. You will still bond with your baby and no type of birth should be able to take that away from you.

My belief is that every labour is different - you need to go in with an open mind and understand that things may happen that are out of your control, you might be begging for pain relief, or you might cruise through easily and wonder what all the fuss is about. But labour DOES hurt. Yes, it's pain with a purpose but for first time mums especially, that severity of pain can come as a shock and fear can impede things. So my advice to all those first time Mums with such definite ideas on how they want their labours to go, is to understand that is hurts like nothing you have ever experienced before. It IS pain with a purpose and if you can remember that, you'll be ok. But no one gets a medal for courage if they refuse drugs, and if you need them it's absolutely perfectly acceptable and ok to ask for them. Your labour will be YOUR labour. No one elses. Other people's experiences can cloud your judgement - go into it expecting the best, but be prepared for unexpected turns. Don't beat yourself up over how you end up giving birth. WHat matters is that baby, not how he or she made their way out of your body.
 
Firstly it's quite normal for labour to progress in such a way that the latent stage is fairly long and once you get into established labour it is comparatively very quick. I don't think the epidural speeds things up in such cases if anything there is no way of knowing that the duration of established labour may have been even shorter without it. The other thing is walking/mobile/user controlled epidurals are not available everywhere. I know in some UK hospitals mobile epidurals are available but I don't know anyone personally who has had one or been to a hospital where they are on offer. From my understanding the majority of epidurals administered in the US and UK are the old fashioned, paralysed from the waist down type xx
 
WHat matters is that baby, not how he or she made their way out of your body.

I must be in the minority here, but i do believe the journey to becoming a mother is a life altering, ground breaking experience. Im not saying ppl should feel bad if they have an epi or a csection or anything like that, i think everyone copes differently and if thats what gets a mom through theres no shame in that! All women are super heros IMO, epi or not. But i still think the journey does matter. (epi or no epi, thats not my point here) Yes the ulimate goal is a healthy baby and mom, but i get tired of hearing that it doesn't matter how a baby comes into this world. The fact of the matter is, for the vast majority of women its either a truly empowering thing that completely changes their perspective and reverence for life and helps them tap into the start of their primal mothering skills OR it leads them feeling like a failure, insecure for not doing it a certain way, or just downright upset and terrified about the entire thing. So birth itself does matter. It doesn't mean you shouldnt have an epi if you want one. If you want it go for it doesn't make you less. it doesn't mean your birth cant be empowering. It doesn't mean it cant be a fabulous journey, it certainly can be! im not really talking about epi or no epi here, im just saying the journey is important and IMO just as important as a healthy baby. Now if it came down to picking a particular birth or picking a healthy baby/mother, anyone will choose the latter for obvious reasons, no doubt i would! but im just saying the experience does matter too. Its not any less of a matter than a healthy baby, is what im trying to say. Birth really does transform women into mothers. (again my point doesn't have to do with epis. You can have an awesome experience with an epi, a narcotics, a csection, etc.) Im just pointing out that the fact is that the experience will change the way a mother sees things, herself, he confidence, her insecurities, her child, her view on the world, etc. That birthing experience will either be the best thing that happened to her or the worst thing and you can bet your bottom she will be impacted by her birthing experience for the rest of her life). So it does matter (I stress, im not speaking in terms of epi or no epi, just that the experience is important too)
 
Just because the epidural is commonly used doesn't mean it is without risk or completely safe, up until the 70s in some areas of the US they used a method of pain relief called twilight sleep which involved morphine and another drug that acted as an amnesiac. This was very widely used and some women swore by it, but it resulted in a lot of stillbirths and women being horrendously traumatised by flashbacks. It was known for a while it could be potentially dangerous by some experts but this was swept under the carpet by doctors and others as it was a way of keeping women quiet and under control during labour and giving birth. Unfortunately in some regards the epidural is viewed the same as twilight sleep once was, women who have had an epidural are perceived as needing less one to one care although in the long run they may well need more interventions and the costs incurred may be greater xx

Imagine what this thread would be like if twilight sleep was still an option!
 
Firstly it's quite normal for labour to progress in such a way that the latent stage is fairly long and once you get into established labour it is comparatively very quick. I don't think the epidural speeds things up in such cases if anything there is no way of knowing that the duration of established labour may have been even shorter without it. The other thing is walking/mobile/user controlled epidurals are not available everywhere. I know in some UK hospitals mobile epidurals are available but I don't know anyone personally who has had one or been to a hospital where they are on offer. From my understanding the majority of epidurals administered in the US and UK are the old fashioned, paralysed from the waist down type xx

I don't know if getting the epidural sped up the labour, but it didn't slow it down. I just had to be careful when I got up because my legs were not as strong. But I could sit without any issues. I played cards with my husband...and he didn't even let me win:haha:

And I totally had ''I did it!!!!" moment :) And breastfed just fine:thumbup:
 
Guppy, the experience IS important, but it's a bit of a generalization to say that birth is what transforms women into mothers, isn't it? I persevered through LTTTC because at this point, my HUSBAND is not comfortable or ready for the idea of adoption, but my main goal has always been motherhood, not the pregnancy, birth, or how I got there. Would I be less of a mother if I was waiting on paperwork to go through for an adoption, rather than waiting on my water to break?

Yes, I definitely want as natural of a birth as possible. But I do think it's important that we don't all set ourselves up in such a way that if the birth doesn't go according to our original plan, that we'll feel devastated and be unable to move on from that point. My primary goal is to come out of the hospital with a healthy mommy, and a healthy baby. I'm hopeful that my preparation, research, and DH's support for a natural birth will all help me achieve that goal, but I know how I am. If I place utmost importance on going all natural, and then something changes that (whether I break down & get an epidural, or there is a complication and I need an emergency c-section, etc.) I would feel like such a complete failure. No new mother needs those kinds of emotions on top of all the physical, emotional, and hormonal changes that come with having a baby. I refuse to set myself up for that, no matter how much I desire a natural birth.

A previous poster mentioned that they just want people to go into it all INFORMED. This particular generation of mothers is really the first to have easy access to a ton of information and have the ability to inform ourselves. But even if it's easy to access that information, it's not always easy to weed through conflicting point of views. Also, what did most of our mothers do? If they gave birth through an OB in a hospital, they likely just did what was advised, because they didn't have the resources we do to inform ourselves. For a lot of women today, that approach is still what is comfortable to them. Do what they are advised to do. It may not be what I am doing, or what you are choosing to do, but I can't say that we can fault them for that considering how overwhelming the research can be. It's not going to change in an instant.
 
Guppy, the experience IS important, but it's a bit of a generalization to say that birth is what transforms women into mothers, isn't it? I persevered through LTTTC because at this point, my HUSBAND is not comfortable or ready for the idea of adoption, but my main goal has always been motherhood, not the pregnancy, birth, or how I got there. Would I be less of a mother if I was waiting on paperwork to go through for an adoption, rather than waiting on my water to break?

Yes, it was a generalization, as in a generalization when a mother physically gives birth. I wasn't trying to make a mother that adopts sound like less of a mother hon :hugs: It's just in the contex of this thread we were specifically referring to labor. ...my mom adopted and getting through that journey, i would still call that a labor of love! May not have been physical (err, well actually it was pretty stressful at times, so i take that wording back), but adoptions help create moms too. Sorry to offend, i was thinking in the context of birth since that is the current disscussion. I see your point, and no i dont think adopting makes you less of a mom. In fact experiercing adoption im sure would help create mommyhood in a parrell way to physically giving birth, but just in a different way. Wasn't meant to offend. Just contributing to the context of the dialog. But i dont want my point to be missed. My point was that when a women goes through labor, that experience will change her view entirely, whether that be negativly or positivly, it will certainly change perspectives, or reinforce current/past views. All too often the birth experience gets downplayed. As if giving birth means nothing and the only thing that matter is a healthy baby (healthy babies DO matter, but so does the experience a woman is put through). Im sure adoption accomplishes the same, just in a different way. But my point was that we shouldn't downplay the birth experience as it has lasting effects. My comment wasnt to insinuate that if you dont physically give birth you arn't a mother, it was just to reinforce that WHEN a woman gives birth it does change things. Of all of the ladies i know that have given birth, they either leave that experience feeling empowered (no matter which route they took) or they leave it feeling like a failure or traumatized for life. That is what i meant about creating mothers through birth bc it does set the stepping stones of their motherhood. That really does change their perspective. But i was only specifically referring to labor. I wasn't trying to say you arn't a mom if you dont experience that. But i was trying to reiterate the importance of giving birth WHEN you are faced with having to give birth. Society acts like the labor experience doesn't matter, but it's simply not true. That does not mean you are only a mother through labor. Mothers are created in various ways, It simply means that when you have to give birth, the experience has life altering effects and those effects set building blocks in motherhood. Giving birth does create mothers, but it's not the ONLY way to create mothers. But when it is the way a mother becomes a mother, it certainly does create that. I hope im clearing things up with my explaination? Adoptve mommies are excelletn moms too! Im sincerely sorry my comment was misconstrued. <3
 
Slowering labours...not too sure about this one...I had to be induced because my water broke but had no contraction even 12 hours later. It took 8 hours to get from 1cm to 4 cm, and when I got the epidural, I went from 4 to 10 cm in 2 hours!! I could move, stand up, sleep (yes, I was tired), and I only pushed for 30 minutes. No side-effects for me:thumbup: I tried to stay natural as long as I could, but between the oxytocin I was given at high doses and my 100% back labor, the pain was just too much, and it wasn't getting us anywhere.

I had the same experience! Went from a painfully slow progressing labor to a much faster progression once I got my epi. The nurse told me it can be shown to slow labor if you get it too early, but past 4-5 cm it actually helps. For me it allowed me to finally relax and let my body do its job.

-side note: I did have HORRENDOUS back labor, and don't feel like I missed out whatsoever on the 'pain of childbirth'. My DD was born with cuts on the back of her head because she was pressing so hard against my tail bone.
 
WHat matters is that baby, not how he or she made their way out of your body.

I must be in the minority here, but i do believe the journey to becoming a mother is a life altering, ground breaking experience. Im not saying ppl should feel bad if they have an epi or a csection or anything like that, i think everyone copes differently and if thats what gets a mom through theres no shame in that! All women are super heros IMO, epi or not. But i still think the journey does matter. (epi or no epi, thats not my point here) Yes the ulimate goal is a healthy baby and mom, but i get tired of hearing that it doesn't matter how a baby comes into this world. The fact of the matter is, for the vast majority of women its either a truly empowering thing that completely changes their perspective and reverence for life and helps them tap into the start of their primal mothering skills OR it leads them feeling like a failure, insecure for not doing it a certain way, or just downright upset and terrified about the entire thing. So birth itself does matter. It doesn't mean you shouldnt have an epi if you want one. If you want it go for it doesn't make you less. it doesn't mean your birth cant be empowering. It doesn't mean it cant be a fabulous journey, it certainly can be! im not really talking about epi or no epi here, im just saying the journey is important and IMO just as important as a healthy baby. Now if it came down to picking a particular birth or picking a healthy baby/mother, anyone will choose the latter for obvious reasons, no doubt i would! but im just saying the experience does matter too. Its not any less of a matter than a healthy baby, is what im trying to say. Birth really does transform women into mothers. (again my point doesn't have to do with epis. You can have an awesome experience with an epi, a narcotics, a csection, etc.) Im just pointing out that the fact is that the experience will change the way a mother sees things, herself, he confidence, her insecurities, her child, her view on the world, etc. That birthing experience will either be the best thing that happened to her or the worst thing and you can bet your bottom she will be impacted by her birthing experience for the rest of her life). So it does matter (I stress, im not speaking in terms of epi or no epi, just that the experience is important too)

In the big picture, if your view of motherhood and the way you see yourself as a mother is influenced THAT heavily by the birth experience, then you should take a good look around and thank your lucky stars for such a wonderful life. Motherhood IS a journey from the very start, but birth does NOT transform women into mothers. The process of pregnancy and childbirth can be wonderful just as it can be horrendous.

A women should never ever judge her self worth or mothering abilities on how she gave birth, or if she gave birth at all. A womens' ability to be a mother and how well she does it, should be judged solely on the children she raises. Trust me on this, when you have a teenager (or more than one) the process of how they came into this world is irrelevant to how you should see yourself as a mother. Your children are what make you a mother, not the pregnancy and birth.

I think that society having the view that labour should be a certain way
contributes greatly to women feeling like failures after a not so glowing birth experience. And more often than not, the reason for that not so glowing experience is medical, not because they did or didn't have drugs.

I have had 4 vastly different labour experiences and I felt like I achieved something after every single one of them. Because I did. I gave birth to a child. But that affirmation of motherhood pales in comparison to how I feel when I look at my teenage daughter after she has said something so grown up and wise that it fills my entire BODY with joy and pride. It pales to how it feels when your 5 year old son wraps his arms around you sobbing desperately after yet another doctor tries to give him an injection or keep an oxygen mask on his face. Those are the kind of experiences that make you a mother, not how the child came into this world.

Like I said at the start of this post - if the birth experience is what you base your 'mothering-ness' on, then you should be eternally grateful that your life is so perfect that this one moment can eclipse everything. Birth is an experience, and I will never say it's not. But birth is not what makes a mother, and no person should ever be made to think that the pregnancy and birth journey are equal to how you parent. They are different experiences and ones I am eternally grateful to have the chance to participate in, but my experience of being a parent far eclipses my experience of pregnancy and labour.

So we'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree on that one.
 
I don't think telling someone that their idea of motherhood is wrong and that they must lead a perfect life in order to hold their beliefs is respectfully disagreeing. It comes off as being quite patronizing, actually. Who are you to say what does and what does not make someone feel like a mother?
 
I don't think telling someone that their idea of motherhood is wrong and that they must lead a perfect life in order to hold their beliefs is respectfully disagreeing. It comes off as being quite patronizing, actually. Who are you to say what does and what does not make someone feel like a mother?

I didn't say her idea of motherhood was wrong - I said that I didn't believe that women should be told that the experience of birth influences the way they perceive themselves as a mother. I certainly didn't mean to sound patronising so I am sorry if you think it was. It is just my opinion. My opinion is that women should not have to consider their birth experience as just as important as the entire journey of motherhood - yes birth is an experience that can be wonderful or crappy, but it isn't something that should define how you see yourself as a mother. And in the grand scheme of life how you give birth becomes fairly irrelevant in the face of the many many parenting challenges you will face.
 
I'll be totally honest - I don't want to have an epidural because I will feel like I 'copped out' and couldn't handle it.

I know that's a bad reason, and I would never say that to anyone in 'real life', but that's the truth. In my research, a natural birth does seem better for baby but that's just a convenient excuse for me to say that's why I chose it - in truth it's totally my pride.

I want to do my best to get through it myself so I can be proud of what I've done. I have friends who have done it naturally and I would be embarrassed to tell them that I couldn't do what they did.

There, I said it :blush:
 
Haven't read the entire thread yet.

I had an epidural. I originally wanted to have a water birth in a birthing centre but I ended up being induced so it wasn't an option. I went in with the mentality that I would try and do it without an epidural, that it would be a last resort. I had been contracting for three days previously and had had hardly any sleep. Well I got to 5cm dilated, the mw had upped my induction meds (forgotten which one it was now) a little to much to the point where I could. Not. Cope. In fact when the next mw came on shift she actually lowered my dose. I was screaming the loudest I had ever screamed, eyes bulging, gas and air was just making me feel sick at this point. Oh had never seen me like that and i wouldn't let my mum in the room as I didn't want her to see me in such a state. I was bed bound due to having numerous iv's and having a monitor strapped to my belly. It was awful, I probably would have coped better if they let me move around.

So yes I got the epidural and you know what? It was the best thing I could have done. I had completely lost control and there was no reasoning with me. Once that epi had kicked in I was a completely different person, I had a button I could press every 15mins to give me another dose but I didn't have to so I was in control. I could still feel contractions but the pain wasn't there, it was great. In the end I am super glad I had it because LO's head got wedged half in, half out of my cervix so the dr had to literally stick his hand/arm up there and dislodge it, I would not have liked to have felt that. I can only imagine the pain would have been excruciating. I also had an episiotomy and ventouse delivery, but so did my auntie who had a natural birth with no pain meds so for all I know my labour would have turned out that way anyway.

I had the epidural at around midday, gave birth at 11:17 pm. She was sleepy for the first few days, and got ever so slightly jaundiced, but having the epidural didn't affect our breastfeeding relationship, my milk came in by day 2 and nearly 6 months later my LO is still ebf and thriving.

I don't see the harm in having an epidural if you've done the research and are aware of the risks. Yes we've been giving birth for millions of years, but this is the modern age where we are lucky enough to have these things available if we want them and not everyone can deal with the pain, I thought I would be able to. I'm sure I would have if it wasn't available but it was so I took it. Doesn't make me any less of a mother for doing what I needed to do at the time. Next time I will try again to do it without the epidural (hopefully I won't have to be induced either) but I'm not going to feel bad if It turns out I do decide to have it again.
 
Epidural can slow labour - it can also speed it up, depending on the factors of course (some women who are burnt out can sleep and re-charge). Me, personally, it slowed everything down. A "break" is what can help speed labour up, for me that was an ambulance ride after being transferred for "prolonged labour" at home (12+ hours in full-blown labours).

Being naked spread eagle in front of two handsome 25 year old male paramedics is a damn good way to harden the f*ck up and push that thing out so you can cover yourself again!!!! (Joking....... not really, I hope they don't remember my face, this is a small town!).

To each their own, my non-epidural birth was far easier to recover from, easy answer for me.
 
This is my first baby, so will be my first labour. I dont have a birthing plan because I know enough to know that sometimes things dont go to plan!

I this case i feel im not qualified to say wither I will have an epi or not, because I dont know. I will see how it goes when im in the moment. I would rather not to be honest, because the big needle scares me, but then so does the thought of the pain of pushing a little body out of me!
 

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