Had to share as I find this very upsetting..

[minties]

In Islam although it does say that God created humans in his image the meaning is different because Muslims believe God does not resemble the creation in any way; though there are shared attributes such as hearing, sight, and a face etc it is not the same as our face. We also do not believe God has private parts or has kids etc.

The reason is, circumcision was a covenant with Abraham (in Islam and Judaism), in Islam its part of the fitrah, which is hard to translate but it means the natural inclination of people towards a clean and hygeinic state, it also includes cutting/removing hair, cutting nails regularly, brushing teeth, cleaning out the nose and mouth well etc. You could argue God created us with hair so why ever cut our hair, or God created us with nails so why not let them grow indefinitely like an Indian yogi?

Hair and nails grow back, foreskins tend not to. Not saying that nastily, in fact had a giggle imagining men with very long droopy foreskins needing trimming.

 

[Chocciebutton]

You have put the following quote.............

The reason is, circumcision was a covenant with Abraham (in Islam and Judaism), in Islam its part of the fitrah, which is hard to translate but it means the natural inclination of people towards a clean and hygeinic state, it also includes cutting/removing hair, cutting nails regularly, brushing teeth, cleaning out the nose and mouth well etc. You could argue God created us with hair so why ever cut our hair, or God created us with nails so why not let them grow indefinitely like an Indian yogi?[/QUOTE]
...................but the cutting of hair and nails is not a permanent procedure...hair and nails grow and there are no lasting damage........you cannot decide to put the skin back later as it wont regrow.

 

[moomin_troll]

Of course she is entitled to an opinion but she doesn't need to be so rude in expressing it. It is mildly insulting hearing someone say that the religion of most of my family is basically evil. You could say that about ALL religions if you looked into them.

i agree with this myself. i think the idea of religion is fantastic, id love to have so much faith but for me religion in general has been made evil by some of its followers and i hate it when people do things in the name of religion.

but anyway i wont go on about that as it has nothing to do with this thread

 

[peanut56]

I have the same opinion about circumcision as I do about ear piercing - it's not my decision to make. It's also not my place to judge someone for having it done to their child. (Both ear piercing and circumcision).
It's VERY common where I live. If I have a boy, I won't be having it done, and I'll be in the minority for sure...although these days it seems like less people are having it done than in the past.
I don't think I agree with an outright ban though.

 

[Breezy]

ok. There is NO WAY 80% of men in the U.S are circumsised?! I have never saw a circumcised one in my life

Also not sure how I feel about the AIDs spreading in gay men comment, that seems a bit stereotypical to me... anyone could get HIV.

Anyways, I've not read all the replies but..
What would happen when people needed circumcision for medical purposes?

I can't say this law seems fair. If people didn't do it for religious reasons, then I'd say sure, go ahead. But it seems a bit discriminatory is muslims and jews IMO.

I highly doubt it will pass.

70% of the current male population of the US have been circumcised.
Taken from https://www.boystoo.com/history/statistics.htm as of 2000. Didn't look hard enough to find current to date though

 

[aliss]

I'm against circ. but I really don't see how people think that male and female circ. is the same thing. It's absolutely not. Female circ. is far more invasive and crippling in a woman's life.

As for the original topic... I'm against it for my son. But I think a parent has a right to choose. Just as I don't see an issue with a newborn and pierced ears. Call me insensitive, but I honestly don't care. Mine were pierced at 2 weeks and I hardly consider it an act of cruelty by my mother, lol.

 

[aliss]

ok. There is NO WAY 80% of men in the U.S are circumsised?! I have never saw a circumcised one in my life

Also not sure how I feel about the AIDs spreading in gay men comment, that seems a bit stereotypical to me... anyone could get HIV.

Anyways, I've not read all the replies but..
What would happen when people needed circumcision for medical purposes?

I can't say this law seems fair. If people didn't do it for religious reasons, then I'd say sure, go ahead. But it seems a bit discriminatory is muslims and jews IMO.

I highly doubt it will pass.

70% of the current male population of the US have been circumcised.
Taken from https://www.boystoo.com/history/statistics.htm as of 2000. Didn't look hard enough to find current to date though

Yes it's still more popular in the US than here in Canada (I suppose we're a 1/2 & 1/2 mix of UK & US on the topic... like most things. Except beer.)

 

[PepsiChic]

Of course she is entitled to an opinion but she doesn't need to be so rude in expressing it. It is mildly insulting hearing someone say that the religion of most of my family is basically evil. You could say that about ALL religions if you looked into them.

i dont find my post rude...i think its just very honest and forthright. i didnt bullshit around and say "well its only bad when..." i came straight out with exactly how i feel and why i feel that way. its a risky thing to do because people like you will be against what i say. but i laid all my cards on the table and i stand by everything i said.

and you keep saying that i call people this or that and i didnt even use the word "evil" in my posts. do i hate your family? no. do i agree with what they have done? (im assuming they have all had the males circ'd) not at all.

(and do they care what i think or feel about it? no probably not)

 

[Chocciebutton]

minties you thought the same as me! lol

 

[summer rain]

In Islam although it does say that God created humans in his image the meaning is different because Muslims believe God does not resemble the creation in any way; though there are shared attributes such as hearing, sight, and a face etc it is not the same as our face. We also do not believe God has private parts or has kids etc.

The reason is, circumcision was a covenant with Abraham (in Islam and Judaism), in Islam its part of the fitrah, which is hard to translate but it means the natural inclination of people towards a clean and hygeinic state, it also includes cutting/removing hair, cutting nails regularly, brushing teeth, cleaning out the nose and mouth well etc. You could argue God created us with hair so why ever cut our hair, or God created us with nails so why not let them grow indefinitely like an Indian yogi?

Hair and nails grow back, foreskins tend not to. Not saying that nastily, in fact had a giggle imagining men with very long droopy foreskins needing trimming.

You're right on that point, but it is part of the set of things that Muslims do to maintain hygeine (and I believe this is also true in the Jewish religion). Everyone has mentioned men being able to keep that area clean and that is true, but for younger boys it is more difficult and there is research that does suggest many years build up of improper cleaning in that area could contribute to health problems. This is some of the research from the side that says circumcision does have numerous health benefits

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2231533/?tool=pmcentrez

I have also read elsewhere that circumcision makes transmission of HPV considerably more difficult which could in turn help prevent various devestating cancers in women, ok there is a vaccine now against cervical cancer but it only deals with some strains of HPV, not all of them

 

[bellablue]

I wouldn't do it if i had a son i don't think its right

but i do think it should be the parents right not a law

on the hygiene part of it it does not matter if the guy is cir'd or not if you are a clean guy who washes him self and isn't screwing every girl in town you'll be fine safe sex is key to being clean not taking sexual risk

i couldn't bear thinking my son was being hurt for no reason

but i don't judge those you do it for religous reasons

Just asking, and NOT being rude at all so I do apologize if I sound that way, but if you don't judge those doing it for religious reasons do you then judge those that do it but not for religious reasons?

Just curious!!!

Hello- i don't have a son but i wouldn't do it my hubby isnt circ'd and i don't see the reason however i don't think others should do it either for non medical reasons or there religous views but in the end who am i to tell another mother what to do with there sons or the law tell them for that matter here in the US i think its done more for non medical reasons i am not judging you at all im sorry if my comment came across that way

 

[minties]

Laws are there to protect people; the natives Maori of New Zealand practiced canabalism as a part of their cultural beliefs, yet I don't think anyone would be too pleased if they were allowed to these days.

 

[moomin_troll]

Laws are there to protect people; the natives Maori of New Zealand practiced canabalism as a part of their cultural beliefs, yet I don't think anyone would be too pleased if they were allowed to these days.

someone will comment saying u cant compare canabalism to being circed but youve made a very good point.

its the same as arranged marriages, they are apart of a culture but are now under the spot light for being against human rights and might be made illegal too now

 

[Lydiarose]

Just why its sooo obvious when this comes up it ends in debate

Just ends in getting to caught up in the moment and people being keyboard warriors and being rude and nasty to people - when in RL i bet everyone here (or most ) joking! are really nice girls.

I dont agree with circ,never will but no matter what people say if someone believes in it then nothing anyone can say will change that.

I used to be catholic - until i discovered "anti new world order" hahah
and nothing anyone would say would change my mind!

 

[mrs_park]

This thread scares me!

 

[KittyVentura]

I have to add that I'm not surprised that an attempt to ban it is being considered. Ignoring my own feeling on the topic here too.

I hope I can explain this how I intend it without it seeming I'm lumping Circs under the "child abuse category". I'm definitely NOT doing that.

It would seem that laws are continually progressing to give the most vunerable of us more protection. Protection from all kinds of harm. Performing any operation that is not medically required is technically harm. Yes, there are ways of doing it that should minimise pain and there are many deep set and long standing religious reasons for doing it. The parents wishing to have their son circ'd are not doing it TO cause harm or pain or discomfort.

If you detatch all feeling from the subject though, regardless of what side of the fence you sit on. Remove the REASONING for doing is when it is not medically required. Just look down on the act being performed and yes, it is harm.

They heal quickly and soon get over and forget the ordeal but at that moment. The child is being harmed.

I think that this is why they would ban it.

Of course when you add the feeling back into the scenario I assume that the percieved benefits of the operation far outway the "minimal" harm and pain caused. But that's a mental perception of a physical act.

It's just the physical act of circs that is being banned. Not the religion that goes alongside it.

I hope that makes sense and I've not offended anyone. Just still awake pondering this at this hour xx

 

[xnmd1]

ok. There is NO WAY 80% of men in the U.S are circumsised?! I have never saw a circumcised one in my life

Also not sure how I feel about the AIDs spreading in gay men comment, that seems a bit stereotypical to me... anyone could get HIV.

Anyways, I've not read all the replies but..
What would happen when people needed circumcision for medical purposes?

I can't say this law seems fair. If people didn't do it for religious reasons, then I'd say sure, go ahead. But it seems a bit discriminatory is muslims and jews IMO.

I highly doubt it will pass.

70% of the current male population of the US have been circumcised.
Taken from https://www.boystoo.com/history/statistics.htm as of 2000. Didn't look hard enough to find current to date though

Yes it's still more popular in the US than here in Canada (I suppose we're a 1/2 & 1/2 mix of UK & US on the topic... like most things. Except beer.)

I just did a google search. Nova scotia as THE lowest circ rate - 6%. Probably why Ive never saw one!, Alberta, for example, still has a 43% circ rate.

 

[Tink1o5]

I feel like in the USA circ' is done way to much for ridiculous reason such as "it looks prettier"... As far as doing it for religious reasons, If people could still use that to justify circ' then If a ban went through with exception of religion i honestly believe people would "lie" just to circ', saying its for religion if its not.

hopefully that made sense LOL

I personally did not circ' my son, and wont do so if im lucky enough to have more little boys in my life in the future.

 

[moomin_troll]

ok. There is NO WAY 80% of men in the U.S are circumsised?! I have never saw a circumcised one in my life

Also not sure how I feel about the AIDs spreading in gay men comment, that seems a bit stereotypical to me... anyone could get HIV.

Anyways, I've not read all the replies but..
What would happen when people needed circumcision for medical purposes?

I can't say this law seems fair. If people didn't do it for religious reasons, then I'd say sure, go ahead. But it seems a bit discriminatory is muslims and jews IMO.

I highly doubt it will pass.

70% of the current male population of the US have been circumcised.
Taken from https://www.boystoo.com/history/statistics.htm as of 2000. Didn't look hard enough to find current to date though

Yes it's still more popular in the US than here in Canada (I suppose we're a 1/2 & 1/2 mix of UK & US on the topic... like most things. Except beer.)

I just did a google search. Nova scotia as THE lowest circ rate - 6%. Probably why Ive never saw one!, Alberta, for example, still has a 43% circ rate.

ur making it sound like uve seen alot of pinkys hahahha

 

[xnmd1]

ok. There is NO WAY 80% of men in the U.S are circumsised?! I have never saw a circumcised one in my life

Also not sure how I feel about the AIDs spreading in gay men comment, that seems a bit stereotypical to me... anyone could get HIV.

Anyways, I've not read all the replies but..
What would happen when people needed circumcision for medical purposes?

I can't say this law seems fair. If people didn't do it for religious reasons, then I'd say sure, go ahead. But it seems a bit discriminatory is muslims and jews IMO.

I highly doubt it will pass.

70% of the current male population of the US have been circumcised.
Taken from https://www.boystoo.com/history/statistics.htm as of 2000. Didn't look hard enough to find current to date though

Yes it's still more popular in the US than here in Canada (I suppose we're a 1/2 & 1/2 mix of UK & US on the topic... like most things. Except beer.)

I just did a google search. Nova scotia as THE lowest circ rate - 6%. Probably why Ive never saw one!, Alberta, for example, still has a 43% circ rate.

ur making it sound like uve seen alot of pinkys hahahha

not that many! but a few.