Had to share as I find this very upsetting..

[sjminimac]

I also would like to address the mutilation arguement. When I hear of someone being mutilated I think of gore, blood, etc. For the circ there was little if ANY blood, he didn't cry, he was not bothered by it at all. It looks very clean and neat and there was no issues.

But it's still someone slicing into skin with a knife and removing it?

It was done the plastibel method... so no slicing!

What's that then if you don't mind me asking? I should say by the way that i'm against it for me and my boy, i don't know enough about it to comment on a ban which is why i haven't said anything directly about that.

Plastibell is inserted over glans and the foreskin is pulled forward, over the "bell" String is tied in the Plastibell's groove and foreskin is cut off with scissors. Plastibell's handle is snapped off. This completes the procedure. In about 5 days, the remaining foreskin front of string will die, allowing the bell to come off the penis, completing the circumcision.

So there is the cutting of the foreskin, but not mutilation in my eyes.

Edit: Though it is not mutilation in MY eyes I will not claim my opinion is the right one. I respect everyone that says that is is mutilation as that is their opinion on the matter.

thank you for your explanation, and i'm not being flippant i promise, but that just made me feel sick having thought about it i do agree with the ban for anything other than medical reasons.

 

[moomin_troll]

I don't think I have the right to put my son through a painful procedure that will give him absolutely no benefit at any point in his life. I hate it when people say they want him to look like his daddy too, I think that's a bit odd.

i agree.

i have to say aslong as zane has no problems down there i dont wana no anything about what he does with his pinky when hes older so i wouldnt mess with it now lol

my boys will be bought up knowing how to clean it right and also to check themselves for lumps. their dad had cancer the age of 12 so thats something i feel strongly about

 

[pinklightbulb]

I am against circ'ing and would support a ban except for medical reasons. But like a PP said although I feel personally religion should not dictate the removal of a body part, if governments messed with their 'rights' to do it, there would be worse problems to come from that. I do not understand it, and don't want to try as I'm not religious and would find it hard to be objective if I did try to see it from that side, given my stance on circ'ing, but I *personally* don't get it being OK to remove a baby's foreskin because a religion supported it.

 

[bellablue]

I wouldn't do it if i had a son i don't think its right

but i do think it should be the parents right not a law

on the hygiene part of it it does not matter if the guy is cir'd or not if you are a clean guy who washes him self and isn't screwing every girl in town you'll be fine safe sex is key to being clean not taking sexual risk

i couldn't bear thinking my son was being hurt for no reason

but i don't judge those you do it for religous reasons

 

[tiger]

i think its wrong that the government would put a ban to something that is done in religious cases.
im not for or against the subject of circumcision but i am against banning something done for religious practices.
its like the ear piercing argument for girls. if you are against circumcision because you are causing baby pain (pain relief or not), that would mean you are against piercing your daughters/sons ears? because it hurts them. why not wait until they are older and can decide for themselves? its the same thing.
but as for the OPS question. i disagree with the ban

dont jump on me

 

[Breezy]

I wouldn't do it if i had a son i don't think its right

but i do think it should be the parents right not a law

on the hygiene part of it it does not matter if the guy is cir'd or not if you are a clean guy who washes him self and isn't screwing every girl in town you'll be fine safe sex is key to being clean not taking sexual risk

i couldn't bear thinking my son was being hurt for no reason

but i don't judge those you do it for religous reasons

Just asking, and NOT being rude at all so I do apologize if I sound that way, but if you don't judge those doing it for religious reasons do you then judge those that do it but not for religious reasons?

Just curious!!!

 

[Cloberella]

its like the ear piercing argument for girls. if you are against circumcision because you are causing baby pain (pain relief or not), that would mean you are against piercing your daughters/sons ears? because it hurts them. why not wait until they are older and can decide for themselves?

Yep. I am definitely against piercing babies/young children's ears because it's the same principle.

 

[PepsiChic]

this is something i feel VERY strongly about.

circumcisions should be banned world wide. completely disgusting acts of cruelty unnecessarily forced on innocent children.

and its so sickening that the people who think its OK to do this to a boy, are completely against female circumcision. its the thing. its just as painful for both sexes.

there is NO good reason to harm your child. its NOT medically necessary. it has NO real benefits. and any religion that suggests doing such a thing is not a religion that should be follow. religions move forward with time. and those that dont are honestly terrible.

and its so sad that some of the "excues" are things like "his dad is cric'd" so what? who cares, now we as adults know more then they did back then, just like everything else. its not needed so why continue to do it.

ARGH i hate it.

edit: (in response to the post below mine) I dont care if this post seems rude or insulting. its how i feel. im entitled to it. it doesnt mean i HATE anyone here that has chossen to do it. i think some of my closest friends on here have circ'd sons. it does mean i dont agree with what they did at all full stop. but thats not going to change anything. Ims ure theres things i do that people hate and dont agree with too (BLW, FF whatever).

 

[louandivy]

this is something i feel VERY strongly about.

circumcisions should be banned world wide. completely disgusting acts of cruelty unnecessarily forced on innocent children.

and its so sickening that the people who think its OK to do this to a boy, are completely against female circumcision. its the thing. its just as painful for both sexes.

there is NO good reason to harm your child. its NOT medically necessary. it has NO real benefits. and any religion that suggests doing such a thing is not a religion that should be follow. religions move forward with time. and those that dont are honestly terrible.

and its so sad that some of the "excues" are things like "his dad is cric'd" so what? who cares, now we as adults know more then they did back then, just like everything else. its not needed so why continue to do it.

ARGH i hate it.

Wow. This is so unbelievably insulting and rude I don't even know what to say. There are respectful ways to put forward your opinion without saying that entire religion shouldn't be followed just because of one belief, do you realise how many mothers on here you have just called 'disgusting' and 'sickening'?

 

[summer rain]

Not all of my OHs family are religious and quite a few of his cousins/second cousins were not circ'd as babies or children nor were they put under any pressure to do so, however when these boys got to their teens they decided they wanted to be circ'd themselves for their own personal reasons. It was obviously a harder recovery and more embarassing having it done at that age; and they were angry at their mum's decision not to have it done as a baby. The clinic they went to is in the home counties somewhere and they don't even usually have Muslim patients (they really couldn't pronounce the name of OHs relatives); but they said they have an increasing number of British young men and older men who want to be circ'd for whatever reason, and usually not religious reasons either.

 

[Chocciebutton]

At the end of the day whatever religion we may follow, whatever god we may worship.........all the bibles, korans etc all say that we were created by a 'god' in his image...........why would he create us and then expect us to chop a bit off when we are a baby?? if we were created, then surely man would have that bit of skin missing if it wasnt meant to be there!!!!

 

[KittyVentura]

I wonder if it was actually banned if people would go elsewhere to get it done. I think I would.

SO honest question to the ladies who think it should be banned: You don't think jews and muslims have the right to choose if their child is circ'd? It is a religious thing after all?

I'm afraid that no matter how hard I try (and trust me I have tried) I just cannot see things from a religious point of view. Lellow was kind enough to explain the reasons behind circs in her religion to me before and through that understanding I no longer judge those that choose to go down this route. However understanding still doesn't make me think it is ok and I would support a ban if it happened here... because of my own beliefs. I believe that if the foreskin was not required then evolution would have lost it by now... but then of course evolution seems to go against the ideas set in a lot of religions so I can understand why those that follow religions would not see from my point of view.

I will never understand the mindset behind any act done for a god that I do not believe exists... no matter how hard I try. I simply cannot... because I am too strongly athiest.

xx

 

[PepsiChic]

Wow. This is so unbelievably insulting and rude I don't even know what to say. There are respectful ways to put forward your opinion without saying that entire religion shouldn't be followed just because of one belief, do you realise how many mothers on here you have just called 'disgusting' and 'sickening'?

actually i didnt call anyone disgusting or sickening. i called circumcision those things.

and yes its my opinion that a religion that asks you to intentionally cause pain on your child is not a religion that should be follow. ive seen jews penalized for not circumcising their sons. outcasted by their friends and family because they didnt agree with it. what kind of religion bases its followers on such an act?

 

[bathbabe]

I personally am against it. Unless my son/s had to have to done for a medical reason they will be keeping their 'winter coat'.
I dont think it should be banned but controlled, basically if you want it done to your son, you should be given all the info about it including it being unnessesary (sp?) And you should have to prove its part of your religion.
Im against piercing young ears too i think there should be a law and age restriction on that.

Bah, i sound like a right moany old bag

 

[louandivy]

Wow. This is so unbelievably insulting and rude I don't even know what to say. There are respectful ways to put forward your opinion without saying that entire religion shouldn't be followed just because of one belief, do you realise how many mothers on here you have just called 'disgusting' and 'sickening'?

actually i didnt call anyone disgusting or sickening. i called circumcision those things.

and yes its my opinion that a religion that asks you to intentionally cause pain on your child is not a religion that should be follow. ive seen jews penalized for not circumcising their sons. outcasted by their friends and family because they didnt agree with it. what kind of religion bases its followers on such an act?

Well as someone from a Jewish family I can tell you that those rare cases are not representative of an entire religion, although you should have really realised that already.

 

[summer rain]

In Islam although it does say that God created humans in his image the meaning is different because Muslims believe God does not resemble the creation in any way; though there are shared attributes such as hearing, sight, and a face etc it is not the same as our face. We also do not believe God has private parts or has kids etc.

The reason is, circumcision was a covenant with Abraham (in Islam and Judaism), in Islam its part of the fitrah, which is hard to translate but it means the natural inclination of people towards a clean and hygeinic state, it also includes cutting/removing hair, cutting nails regularly, brushing teeth, cleaning out the nose and mouth well etc. You could argue God created us with hair so why ever cut our hair, or God created us with nails so why not let them grow indefinitely like an Indian yogi?

 

[louandivy]

I wonder if it was actually banned if people would go elsewhere to get it done. I think I would.

SO honest question to the ladies who think it should be banned: You don't think jews and muslims have the right to choose if their child is circ'd? It is a religious thing after all?

I'm afraid that no matter how hard I try (and trust me I have tried) I just cannot see things from a religious point of view. Lellow was kind enough to explain the reasons behind circs in her religion to me before and through that understanding I no longer judge those that choose to go down this route. However understanding still doesn't make me think it is ok and I would support a ban if it happened here... because of my own beliefs. I believe that if the foreskin was not required then evolution would have lost it by now... but then of course evolution seems to go against the ideas set in a lot of religions so I can understand why those that follow religions would not see from my point of view.

I will never understand the mindset behind any act done for a god that I do not believe exists... no matter how hard I try. I simply cannot... because I am too strongly athiest.

xx

THIS is how you put forward an opinion with respect.

 

[moomin_troll]

Wow. This is so unbelievably insulting and rude I don't even know what to say. There are respectful ways to put forward your opinion without saying that entire religion shouldn't be followed just because of one belief, do you realise how many mothers on here you have just called 'disgusting' and 'sickening'?

actually i didnt call anyone disgusting or sickening. i called circumcision those things.

and yes its my opinion that a religion that asks you to intentionally cause pain on your child is not a religion that should be follow. ive seen jews penalized for not circumcising their sons. outcasted by their friends and family because they didnt agree with it. what kind of religion bases its followers on such an act?

Well as someone from a Jewish family I can tell you that those rare cases are not representative of an entire religion, although you should have really realised that already.

pepsichic is entitled to her opinion and shes commented on a side of a certain religion that she has witnessed.
u might find her rude but i find u very condisending

 

[xnmd1]

ok. There is NO WAY 80% of men in the U.S are circumsised?! I have never saw a circumcised one in my life

Also not sure how I feel about the AIDs spreading in gay men comment, that seems a bit stereotypical to me... anyone could get HIV.

Anyways, I've not read all the replies but..
What would happen when people needed circumcision for medical purposes?

I can't say this law seems fair. If people didn't do it for religious reasons, then I'd say sure, go ahead. But it seems a bit discriminatory is muslims and jews IMO.

I highly doubt it will pass.

 

[louandivy]

Of course she is entitled to an opinion but she doesn't need to be so rude in expressing it. It is mildly insulting hearing someone say that the religion of most of my family is basically evil. You could say that about ALL religions if you looked into them.