Illegal drugs - worse than legal ones?

[Dopeyjopey]

I was going to mention Frank before, much better than the '80s just say no. Our Labour government did many things well!

Dunno about free heroin. Who would pay for it? Get it on the nhs? But that's essentially what the methadone project does isn't it? I'm sure there's an argument that associated crime would plummet but it would be at the expense of the users which would be unconscionable for me.

I'm being idealistic again and thinking if we could all gain the knowledge to make it ourselves - i definitely don't think the taxpayers should foot the bill!

I hate methadone. It's more dangerous and addictive than heroin but it is given because The Man has control. One of my friends beat heroin cold turkey - he had to fight with his doctor about not wanting methadone!

 

[redpoppy]

If there really were proven and recognised health benefits, healing benefits etc .. drugs, would not be illegal.

This is why there is debate. Cannabis has MANY MANY health benefits for MS sufferers as well as people with cancer and everyday pain relief and to ease PMT and arthritis.

There have been studies done which confirm this.

And yet people and the government are so slow in introducing it as a legal regulated drug in the health care system.

It will happen though. Its already happening all over the western hemisphere. I mean unless proof and reason lose out and the inevitable potency rise due to growing the stuff unnaturally continues to rise.

 

[xbabybumpx]

if you ladies think there is nothing wrong with smoking weed,does your hv know you do it? if not you must know its bad. im not saying you are bad parents im just intrigued

FUnny but true: A friends Husband told their HV they occasionaly smooke the odd joint and the HV replied (which I find HILARIOUS) "at least you're honest about it" As thought what really "grinds her gears" is people not admitting it. HAHA!

You'd be surprised how many nurses, doctors and health care proffesionals partake in the stuff. Do you think HVs all don't smoke pot?

Stop bringing Hvs into it xbabybumpx makes you sound like a teachers pet

i only mentioned it once what the hell is your problem??

 

[PeanutBean]

I don't really know anything about methadone, my drugs knowledge definitely stops shy of heroin! But in the case of heroin there is the whole supply chain to consider. I don't think it would generally be approved for the government to be supporting the poppy lords in Afghanistan or wherever in order to supply a regulated heroin.

 

[redpoppy]

if cannibis isint addictive then why do people smoke it? you say people drink caffieine because ther are addicted,people smoke cigs because they are addicted etc you get my point

No, that's like saying "if 7up isn't addictive why do people drink it?" You can't say: well tea and caffeine are addictive so why are people drinking peppermint tea? reason: it must be addictive. It makes no sense.

 

[aob1013]

If there really were proven and recognised health benefits, healing benefits etc .. drugs, would not be illegal.

This is why there is debate. Cannabis has MANY MANY health benefits for MS sufferers as well as people with cancer and everyday pain relief and to ease PMT and arthritis.

There have been studies done which confirm this.

And yet people and the government are so slow in introducing it as a legal regulated drug in the health care system.

It will happen though. Its already happening all over the western hemisphere. I mean unless proof and reason lose out and the inevitable potency rise due to growing the stuff unnaturally continues to rise.

Until then, it's still illegal and i think people should abide by the law.

 

[Dopeyjopey]

No, heroin is definitely one of the drugs that is rightly illegal for social reasons. Same with crystal meth.

 

[redpoppy]

If there really were proven and recognised health benefits, healing benefits etc .. drugs, would not be illegal.

This is why there is debate. Cannabis has MANY MANY health benefits for MS sufferers as well as people with cancer and everyday pain relief and to ease PMT and arthritis.

There have been studies done which confirm this.

And yet people and the government are so slow in introducing it as a legal regulated drug in the health care system.

It will happen though. Its already happening all over the western hemisphere. I mean unless proof and reason lose out and the inevitable potency rise due to growing the stuff unnaturally continues to rise.

Until then, it's still illegal and i think people should abide by the law.

but that doesn't mean we can't try and change public opinion by stating the facts and appealing to people's sense of reason?

A drug should be against the law if it's consumption and production are harmful in their nature (not due to criminalisation) to society.

Not because it's against the law because that's the law and therefore we must accept it no?

 

[aob1013]

I don't believe any drug currently illegal should be made legal, and i don't think we should encourage people to take drugs. We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[PeanutBean]

What was the outcome of the clinical trial using the spray that contains the active ingredient of cannabis whose initials escape me? I'm sure that eventually it'll be licensed as a medicinal extract.

 

[Dopeyjopey]

If there really were proven and recognised health benefits, healing benefits etc .. drugs, would not be illegal.

This is why there is debate. Cannabis has MANY MANY health benefits for MS sufferers as well as people with cancer and everyday pain relief and to ease PMT and arthritis.

There have been studies done which confirm this.

And yet people and the government are so slow in introducing it as a legal regulated drug in the health care system.

It will happen though. Its already happening all over the western hemisphere. I mean unless proof and reason lose out and the inevitable potency rise due to growing the stuff unnaturally continues to rise.

Until then, it's still illegal and i think people should abide by the law.

But people need to argue the law for it to be changed

Do you believe every law should be blindly followed no matter what the circumstances?

 

[PeanutBean]

I suppose the middle ground is to respect the law until it's changed but campaign for change until it is. Iykwim. Though a few of us on here don't believe tree drugs should be legalised anyway.

 

[Dopeyjopey]

What was the outcome of the clinical trial using the spray that contains the active ingredient of cannabis whose initials escape me? I'm sure that eventually it'll be licensed as a medicinal extract.

It's THC i always get confused because my phone is htc haha HTC has amazing pain relieving qualities. In fact, i had renal colic due to a kidney infection and the only thing available to me that helped with the pain was weed.

 

[redpoppy]

does it not worry you,that because of your views on drugs,it will increase the chance of your kids taking drugs? it's just because most parents bring their kids up to see that drugs are wrong and bad no matter what,but you's dont seem to have that veiw on drugs. not having ago,just asking

My best friend (the same one I mentioned dying in an accident earlier, totally non drug related) had hippy parents who smoked pot, lived in a communal set up and took mushrooms picked from the local woods every autumn.

She got 4 A's at a level and was doing a PhD in natural remedies for Cancer at cambridge (where she did her degree) when she died.

She wasn't a drug fiend and she was actually FAR more sensible about drugs than the rest of us since her parents were honest with her and didn't lie about things.

If you raise your children saying "oh if you smoke pot you'll go mad and you'll fail and you'll be dead" and they see their peers doing it and not going mad or failing and being quite successful and fun then they're far more likely to be confused and they may try it.

If you tell your kids, pot CAN have consequences, it CAN trigger underlying mental health problems, but most of the time people smoke it because it's light fun, helps people relax and enjoy music and life and socialise without violence BUT if you do it too much and make it habitual or if you do it when you're too young or you stop being sensible about the frequency of it then your life will literally go to pot and you may lose out on the enjoyment of life that you get from relationships and other things, then I think they're much more likely to be sensible about it.

 

[Dopeyjopey]

Ooops. I proved my confusion there. My phone did not cure my pain.

 

[polo_princess]

Does anyone remember the scandal in Jamaica a couple of months back about "Mr Coke"?

Such a high profile druglord that he even had pretty much the entire population of JA under his spell, most unknowingly. Even the Goverment couldnt stop him.

 

[xbabybumpx]

my nana has arthritis,osteoprosis,you name it. she is in agony everyday but not once has she been offered cannabis for pain relief. even if cannibis was ever made legal i would not change my veiw on it

 

[xbabybumpx]

Does anyone remember the scandal in Jamaica a couple of months back about "Mr Coke"?

Such a high profile druglord that he even had pretty much the entire population of JA under his spell, most unknowingly. Even the Goverment couldnt stop him.

no?? lol

 

[PeanutBean]

my nana has arthritis,osteoprosis,you name it. she is in agony everyday but not once has she been offered cannabis for pain relief. even if cannibis was ever made legal i would not change my veiw on it

But lots of medication is an extract from something potentially more dangerous. If an extract worked well as pain relief with little risk of side effects and was available through the NHS what would be wrong with that?

 

[redpoppy]

I must be one hell of a bad mother because not only do i smoke and drink, i leave Brooke at home with OH so i can go out clubbing and partying to do it

Nevermind the fact that i work my backside off 3 days a week and play mum 24/7 ... i dont think "me" time, in whatever way you choose is wrong and makes you a bad person!!

but you dont take drugs though do you? thats what the debate is about,its not about wether you go out and have a drink or not

Please answer this simple question: DO you think alcohol is a drug.

Because the FACT is it is.

It's not a matter of opinion. It's a fact. it is a drug. And a strong one, and addictive one, one that ruins lives and makes people act in ways which leads to violence on the streets almost every weekend.

SO you can say you don't consider it a drug but it is. Something being legal doesn't stop it being a drug.