Illegal drugs - worse than legal ones?

[redpoppy]

That was my point - im not gonna sit and say but smoking does this and caffiene does that i will accept alcohol carries risks. I have had one glass of wine in nearly two years and that was for my brothers birthday about a week ago. I neither need alcohol nor particularly like it. may make me a prude but i dont mind. I used to enjoy a drink socially but am more mature now and to be honest im just not interested, the hangover totally outweighs any positives to drinking the alcohol and ive found I enjoy myself more without it.

I think I'd like to hang out with you BB as I'm ALWAYS (pretty much) the only sober person in the room. and always the most enthusiastic dancer and chatter most of the time too.

I think not being able to enjoy yourself without a drink or a smoke means you have small or big issues which need addressing.

BUT in terms of your enjoyment of alcohol and the hangover: imagine if alcohol DIDN'T give you a hang over EVER and you woke up in the morning feeling great and refreshed after a good nights sleep? Imagine on top of that that there was very little to any damage done to your body, that you were not inclined to drink very often at all but than when you DID drink that you felt relaxed, reflective, thoughtful and content. That your sensory awareness increased and changed to help you enjoy art, music, film, comedy, food, sex, massage, conversations, computer games, walks in nature, well actually almost everything your five sense can experience, more. That although some of your reaction may be slow because your mind was wandering off somewhere that your motor skills for the most part were left so much in tact that MOST times MOST people would have no clue that you were even remotely under the influence of any drug.

That's how it is for MANY MANY MANY pot takers.

Many of my friends don't take pot and haven't known many times when I have taken it before meeting them. I see no need to tell them. But if i'm going to meet a bunch of them for an expensive slap up meal I may consider "hmmmm, spending all that money on a meal!?!?! How much BETTER would my enjoyment and awareness of it be if I had a little bit of cannabis before I joined them?"

 

[aob1013]

AOB - i think you have missed my point entirely. You said yourself you think alcohol and tobacco should be illegal (which, for the last time, are drugs!!!) but then say the law doesn't need to be changed? The whole issue i have is that the gov seem to be pretending to look after us by making certain drugs illegal, whilst letting us pump our bodies full of toxins from other, legal - but still very much harmful - drugs. Personally I would just quite like the hypocricy to end and for them to pick one side of the fence instead of sitting on it.

It is saddening to see that those people who campaigned to get laws changed are not respected at all by some people. I believe we should all be extremely thankful for what happened in the past, 2010 wouldn't be the same without it.

I dont really get that either. alcohol and tobacco are drugs thats fact. people cant choose to 'believe' something is not a drug. they are by definition, substances that affect the functioning of the mind and body, hence are drugs.

it is extremely sad though that for the sake of the money it brings in tht alcohol and tobacco remain legal - i mean what other reason could there be for not making them illegal? its madness!

I do think alcohol and cigs are drugs ............. because they are. But, i don't believe they are as dangerous as drugs. I do think cigs should be illegal, definately. Alcohol, i'm not too sure as i hardly drink so don't really have an opinion on it.

Again, i don't think the law should be changed in relation to the drugs that are illegal now. I would like to see cigs made illegal though.

Dopeyjopey, i agree with you that they need to make their minds up. The reason why cigs aren't illegal is because they make so much money out of them!

your language seems to suggest that you don't think they are drugs as you said "I don't believe they're as dangerous as drugs" But they are drugs. SO um...

As for not having an opinion on alcohol as you hardly drink it... you seem to have an opinion on cannabis and you don't seem to take that either.

I would suggest you're softer on alcohol because you do occasionally partake in it and therefore don't consider it as harmful although it is for many other people.

Being pedantic yes alcohol and cigarettes are 'drugs' but to me real drugs are the illegal ones, cannibis, coke, heroin etc, which is why they are illegal. At the end of the day, they are ALL drugs but my personal belief is that cigarettes and alcohol are the lesser evil. My opinion is not wrong, it's just what i think.

Yes i have an opinion on cannibis and it's because i personally believe drugs (the illegal ones's to makes that clear yet again) should be avoided, and so do the government and health professionals.

I have smoked weed many times, i went through a bad patch after being raped and it did me no good. I didn't react very well to weed. I just don't believe people should cosume drugs. And i would have said that before i had taken weed myself. The current drugs that are illegal should stay illegal, alcohol and cigarettes are the lesser evil in my opinion.

What I don't understand is how you think cigarettes and alcohol are of the "lesser evil" yet they kill so many people every year. Marijuana hasn't caused any deaths. If the health professionals think pot should be avoided then they wouldn't be prescribing them.

I feel you are dancing around in a circle. You have no new points to make about this except..."I think its bad" and "My government says No No" this IMO is very naive.

I'm sorry to hear about that rough patch in your life.

I have smoked pot for 4 years, and not once have I become irate and uncontrollable. (Minus the uncontrollable laughter or munchies!) I can tell you all the benefits and research until I'm blue in the face, but your gonna have your own opinion and make your own decisions about mary jane. I think you just need to learn to accept some people are different and we can't all be as perfect as you.

I'll ignore your last sarcastic sentence, as it kinda puts a dampner on the point you are trying to make .. it looks like you have lost your rag you when you need to insult

I'm not perfect, neither are you, and i DO accept other people are different .. i just disagree with them. Still accept people are different as that's life, doesn't mean i cant disagree with them whilst trying to respect them. I accept you do drugs, as that's your affair i just disagree with it and don't think we should do them.

I don't have new points to make at all, i have said the same things all the way through and i don't have anything to add.

If the gov/health professionals also thought they aren't that harmful they would be legal and accessible to everyone, not just prescribed behind closed doors.

I have not been brought up around drugs, my family are strict on drug use and believe drugs are not good for people. I agree with them. That's my opinion, doesn't make me more 'perfect' than anyone. An opinion cannot be wrong.

First of all you didn't ignore my last sentence because you commented on it...

Second..I didn't "lose my rag" you have pissed me off and not just in this thread.

And third...they are not being prescribed behind closed doors there are marijuana dispensaries (sp?) in California. In Amsterdam you can go cafe and smoke it. AGAIN, it is not legal because it can't be taxed!!! You even said that yourself in a previous posts. Not because its bad...there are substances far more harmful then pot that are legal. You don't seem to understand this.

Maybe opinions can't be wrong, but they sure can be uneducated.

Yeah, i thought i wouldn't go into too much detail into it, as you had lost your rag and didn't want to make it worse .. ahh i am sorry about pissing you off in other threads, it probably wasn't my intention.

You have noooo idea how uneducated/educated i am on the subject, and can't really determine which one i am over the internet. I could say your's are pretty uneducated as you think illegal drugs are acceptable ... but i have no idea what you really know about it .. Maybe my opinions may be uneducated to you .. but that's your opinion

 

[redpoppy]

AOB:

Just wondered if you had time to reply to my questions about professional opinions and where you get your information from or what it is based upon?

 

[Janidog]

I can't stand illegal drugs and I can't stand the smell of weed. When my hubby and i are out for a walk and we walk past someone who has clearly been smoking it, we just turn our noses up at them, which means i look down at them.

I will not socialise with them at all

 

[redpoppy]

I can't stand illegal drugs and I can't stand the smell of weed. When my hubby and i are out for a walk and we walk past someone who has clearly been smoking it, we just turn our noses up at them, which means i look down at them.

I will not socialise with them at all

Thanks for your input and your opinion and please don't take this the wrong way.

I get the feeling you might want to read the last 50 or so pages to be up to speed on the debate. Not to say your input isn't welcome as it VERY much is. And your opinion is noted But we've had this type of comment and the reactions to it quite a few pages back. It's just that after stating your position you can then move on to discussing points of view and explaining your position and then defending your position whilst questioning opposing views and then really get into the debate.

I suppose stating your opinion is fine but in a debate generally you're asked to explain it too. Why can you not stand illegal drugs? What are your opinions on legal ones? Why do you consider people who smoke weed immoral? Why will you not socialise with them? Why do you "look down at them"? Do you approve or disapprove legal drugs such as alcohol?

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

I think its a bit harsh to say you wont socialise with them. As long as they dont do it around you is all that matters. I bet loads of people do it and others would never guess x

 

[JASMAK]

Keyword CAN.


You CAN walk outside and have a statue drop on your head and kill you.
You CAN cross the road and get bite by a snack and die.
You CAN get sick and die of cancer.

If you look at it, everything could kill you. Using hairspray CAN defeat the ozone lyer and cause global warming, people will never change.

Again the side effects are getting downplayed Or well it appears that way.

Why? Can't people just accept that its damaging to their health?

And why dont people want to avoid something that 'can' cause or do all those things listed?

because then they are wrong, and i guess it's easier for some to keep their head in the sand....and if they are addicted as i believe many so-called 'recreational users' are, then the first sign of addiction is denial. personally, i don't care...they can ruin their own life, but if i smell it or see it, i will phone the police. i don't want it near me.

 

[aob1013]

AOB:

Just wondered if you had time to reply to my questions about professional opinions and where you get your information from or what it is based upon?

Sorry hun, i am terrible for just glancing through posts and forgetting stuff.

What were your questions?

My information or opinion is formed on my personal experiences with drugs and with other people that do them. A friend of ours was addicted to all sorts and last year committed suicide. At school we had a drugs course, must have been about 5 years ago now though were we had a police officer come in and explain drugs to us. And of course my upbringing where i have been taught and shown that drugs were not acceptable for me to take which i agree with x

 

[Dopeyjopey]

Keyword CAN.


You CAN walk outside and have a statue drop on your head and kill you.
You CAN cross the road and get bite by a snack and die.
You CAN get sick and die of cancer.

If you look at it, everything could kill you. Using hairspray CAN defeat the ozone lyer and cause global warming, people will never change.

Again the side effects are getting downplayed Or well it appears that way.

Why? Can't people just accept that its damaging to their health?

And why dont people want to avoid something that 'can' cause or do all those things listed?

because then they are wrong, and i guess it's easier for some to keep their head in the sand....and if they are addicted as i believe many so-called 'recreational users' are, then the first sign of addiction is denial. personally, i don't care...they can ruin their own life, but if i smell it or see it, i will phone the police. i don't want it near me.

I was a recreational user. I now only have caffeine and nicotine. I no longer take anything, i gave up easily, i don't crave any of it and am living a perfectly 'normal' life.

But I guess I must be addicted and am in denial because i question what i consider to be scaremongering and propaganda.

 

[Dopeyjopey]

AOB:

Just wondered if you had time to reply to my questions about professional opinions and where you get your information from or what it is based upon?

Sorry hun, i am terrible for just glancing through posts and forgetting stuff.

What were your questions?

My information or opinion is formed on my personal experiences with drugs and with other people that do them. A friend of ours was addicted to all sorts and last year committed suicide. At school we had a drugs course, must have been about 5 years ago now though were we had a police officer come in and explain drugs to us. And of course my upbringing where i have been taught and shown that drugs were not acceptable for me to take which i agree with x

I wouldn't take anything the police have to say about illegal drugs seriously. They will obviously just be quoting the law and, especially to school age people, probably making them sound a lot worse than they are in reality.

Sorry to hear about your friend x

 

[redpoppy]

because then they are wrong, and i guess it's easier for some to keep their head in the sand....and if they are addicted as i believe many so-called 'recreational users' are, then the first sign of addiction is denial. personally, i don't care...they can ruin their own life, but if i smell it or see it, i will phone the police. i don't want it near me.

Can you respond to my post please that responds to your claims about why cannabis is bad please!

As for this post:

"because they are wrong"? Wrong about what?

The first sign of addiction is denial? And where did you get this little pearl of wisdom? Maybe you're addicted? If you deny it, it must be true!

Could you please define what you would consider an an addiction? If someone smokes cannabis every day you might be inclined to say they're addicted. What about a few times a week? Is someone drinking a few times a week addicted? What about once a week? Maybe every fortnight? How about once a month?

To say that you think there are no recreational users who are not addicted is in my opinion a very VERY head in the sand view. Plus the way you're expressed yourself in the last bit of your post make you come across as a little hysterical and very irrational about the whole issue. Are you open to read documents and hear arguments which may differ from your own? Or is anyone who defends recreational use an addict too? What about scientists who come up with pro cannabis proof? And doctors who want to see its medical use legalised? Are they all addicts?

 

[JASMAK]

redpoppy, you twist everything around so much, that I am not going to indulge you by replying. You read what you want to read.

 

[redpoppy]

redpoppy, you twist everything around so much, that I am not going to indulge you by replying. You read what you want to read.

I haven't twisted anything and I don't have any intention to twist anything! I want to get at the truth and at people's real motivations. I know we are brainwashed in this country to not question many things and thos things change with time.

I'm not a bad person at all. I believe in being good to others and to try and be kinder than our society and selves dictate as often as possible. But I also believe we should address injustices. Be it forced marriages, pedophile priests or responsible recreational users being put away behind bars for something which is honestly no one else's business. ESPECIALLY when the government downgraded it, then had an advisory committee look at it,k and when they suggested perhaps downgrading it further they thought they'd not only upgrade it again but sack those that spoke against their move.

But you have made quite a few sweeping and controversial statements and when anyone says a controversial or sweeping statement surely it's fair to ask them to explain what they mean and in what regard!?

Calling all recreational users addicts is in my view despicable and extreme. That doesn't mean you are but if you say such things surely I'm allowed to question it. It would be like me saying anyone who ever enjoyed a drink was an alcoholic. You're saying exactly the same equivalent but about a different drug. It's nonsense. Anyone who has ever appreciated a painkiller is addicted. Anyone who has ever enjoyed the wake up call of a cup of tea or coffee: addicted. It's not a fair thing to say and it certainly isn't true!

 

[redpoppy]

Sorry hun, i am terrible for just glancing through posts and forgetting stuff.

What were your questions?

My information or opinion is formed on my personal experiences with drugs and with other people that do them. A friend of ours was addicted to all sorts and last year committed suicide. At school we had a drugs course, must have been about 5 years ago now though were we had a police officer come in and explain drugs to us. And of course my upbringing where i have been taught and shown that drugs were not acceptable for me to take which i agree with x

No worries! Thanks for responding! The original post is here

But my viewpoint is such: I get BBs view that ALL drugs that are harmful should be banned including alcohol. I don't agree but I think its a valid and consistent argument.

But the view that alcohol should remain legal and cannabis illegal is what I don't get.

And that's your view. So do you accept that you're view is not consistent ideologically and hence there is a certain level of head in the sand about that standpoint? Because alcohol is more damaging than cannabis. I think most policemen, doctors and scientists who are informed on the subject will tell you that. You seem like you don't want to accept that because, well it seems simply because you haven't been brought up to believe it and dont' want to look into the research and facts which state otherwise.

 

[JASMAK]

redpoppy, you twist everything around so much, that I am not going to indulge you by replying. You read what you want to read.

I haven't twisted anything and I don't have any intention to twist anything! I want to get at the truth and at people's real motivations. I know we are brainwashed in this country to not question many things and thos things change with time.

I'm not a bad person at all. I believe in being good to others and to try and be kinder than our society and selves dictate as often as possible. But I also believe we should address injustices. Be it forced marriages, pedophile priests or responsible recreational users being put away behind bars for something which is honestly no one else's business. ESPECIALLY when the government downgraded it, then had an advisory committee look at it,k and when they suggested perhaps downgrading it further they thought they'd not only upgrade it again but sack those that spoke against their move.

But you have made quite a few sweeping and controversial statements and when anyone says a controversial or sweeping statement surely it's fair to ask them to explain what they mean and in what regard!?

Calling all recreational users addicts is in my view despicable and extreme. That doesn't mean you are but if you say such things surely I'm allowed to question it. It would be like me saying anyone who ever enjoyed a drink was an alcoholic. You're saying exactly the same equivalent but about a different drug. It's nonsense. Anyone who has ever appreciated a painkiller is addicted. Anyone who has ever enjoyed the wake up call of a cup of tea or coffee: addicted. It's not a fair thing to say and it certainly isn't true!

But that's the thing...I have said why I believe what I believe. I have posted links. I am not sure why you continue to ask. I find your comments to be attacking and twisting, not just to me, but others. If someone doesn't agree with your opinion, you twist their words, want proof of feelings...how can we prove feelings? I think you are taking this debate too personally. If I say I think "many" recreational users are addicted, you take this as a personal threat and reference to you. It makes trying to have a conversation with you very frustrating and annoying. I want to speak on this debate, but I find you don't debate fair. I am going to block you. I don't think we have much in common, and I don't care to hear any more posts from you.

 

[Janidog]

I can't stand illegal drugs and I can't stand the smell of weed. When my hubby and i are out for a walk and we walk past someone who has clearly been smoking it, we just turn our noses up at them, which means i look down at them.

I will not socialise with them at all

Thanks for your input and your opinion and please don't take this the wrong way.

I get the feeling you might want to read the last 50 or so pages to be up to speed on the debate. Not to say your input isn't welcome as it VERY much is. And your opinion is noted But we've had this type of comment and the reactions to it quite a few pages back. It's just that after stating your position you can then move on to discussing points of view and explaining your position and then defending your position whilst questioning opposing views and then really get into the debate.

I suppose stating your opinion is fine but in a debate generally you're asked to explain it too. Why can you not stand illegal drugs? What are your opinions on legal ones? Why do you consider people who smoke weed immoral? Why will you not socialise with them? Why do you "look down at them"? Do you approve or disapprove legal drugs such as alcohol?

Due to having a very young baby and running my own company, i dont have the time to trawl through 50+ pages just to voice my opinion.

People that generally smoke weed are more likely to waste their life sponging off society as they cant be bothered to get a job and take responsibility for their lives because they are too stoned. The people I socialise with are mainly athletes, triathletes, cyclists, runners etc. People who look after their bodies and train hard to make them better, not take illegal substances which fund major criminal organisations.
Alcohol? It is legal, i wouldnt socialise with someone who abused alcohol either. My ex was an alcoholic and I left him because of it.

 

[Blue_bumpkin]

I can't stand illegal drugs and I can't stand the smell of weed. When my hubby and i are out for a walk and we walk past someone who has clearly been smoking it, we just turn our noses up at them, which means i look down at them.

I will not socialise with them at all

Thanks for your input and your opinion and please don't take this the wrong way.

I get the feeling you might want to read the last 50 or so pages to be up to speed on the debate. Not to say your input isn't welcome as it VERY much is. And your opinion is noted But we've had this type of comment and the reactions to it quite a few pages back. It's just that after stating your position you can then move on to discussing points of view and explaining your position and then defending your position whilst questioning opposing views and then really get into the debate.

I suppose stating your opinion is fine but in a debate generally you're asked to explain it too. Why can you not stand illegal drugs? What are your opinions on legal ones? Why do you consider people who smoke weed immoral? Why will you not socialise with them? Why do you "look down at them"? Do you approve or disapprove legal drugs such as alcohol?

Due to having a very young baby and running my own company, i dont have the time to trawl through 50+ pages just to voice my opinion.

People that generally smoke weed are more likely to waste their life sponging off society as they cant be bothered to get a job and take responsibility for their lives because they are too stoned. The people I socialise with are mainly athletes, triathletes, cyclists, runners etc. People who look after their bodies and train hard to make them better, not take illegal substances which fund major criminal organisations.
Alcohol? It is legal, i wouldnt socialise with someone who abused alcohol either. My ex was an alcoholic and I left him because of it.

That is another thing I hate about breaking the law with regards to drugs. Where the money goes to...

 

[Dopeyjopey]

That's another problem that would change with legalisation. People could freely grow their own, stopping money going toward organised crime. I knew exactly where my money went and it definitely wasn't funding terrorism, people trafficking or anything like that. It funded a few nice holidays though!

 

[Blue_bumpkin]

That's another problem that would change with legalisation. People could freely grow their own, stopping money going toward organised crime. I knew exactly where my money went and it definitely wasn't funding terrorism, people trafficking or anything like that. It funded a few nice holidays though!

I wouldnt be comfortable with people being able to grow their own, specially with it being addictive. Wouldnt tht be very risky?

 

[aob1013]

AOB:

Just wondered if you had time to reply to my questions about professional opinions and where you get your information from or what it is based upon?

Sorry hun, i am terrible for just glancing through posts and forgetting stuff.

What were your questions?

My information or opinion is formed on my personal experiences with drugs and with other people that do them. A friend of ours was addicted to all sorts and last year committed suicide. At school we had a drugs course, must have been about 5 years ago now though were we had a police officer come in and explain drugs to us. And of course my upbringing where i have been taught and shown that drugs were not acceptable for me to take which i agree with x

I wouldn't take anything the police have to say about illegal drugs seriously. They will obviously just be quoting the law and, especially to school age people, probably making them sound a lot worse than they are in reality.

Sorry to hear about your friend x

We were 15 at the time so it wasn't like we were little kiddies. What's wrong with quoting the law? The law is there to be abided by and not many people are away of what classes certain drugs are these days. I hope the police come into school and give Leni the same message, i would be devastated if Leni touched drugs as would his Dad. Hopefully we will be able to talk to him and educate him on the matter in years to come.

To me drugs are a no go area for me and in reality to me they are bad .. what happened to our friend kinda proved it to us x