Immunize or not?

[Jemma_x]

My LO has had all his vaccines on schedule apart from his mmr which we delayed until 18 months. Because he has a weakened immune system he has also had the flu and chicken pox vaccine. For me the benefits far outweigh the risks

 

[RainbowGift]

This topic always gets heated. I have only read a few responses here toward the end, and I see that things are getting a little inflamed...

Hey, this is a very serious issue and anyone who has done real research into the matter should conclude that it is not a cut and dry issue and not an easy decision.

Science is amazing and gives us so much! However, much of science is learned through hindsight. Some vaccines, given out freely and fully endorsed to protect children 20 years ago, would never be given out today... because they learned that there were serious problems with them.

Most people feel secure that the current vaccines have enough research behind them to be safe and that the side effects listed by the research are something they are willing to risk. Others are more skeptical of ingredients and the potential for serious side effects, so they might decline vaccines and give their babies anti-bodies from breast milk for protection (although these women will have to breast feed longer than most) and try to keep their babies away from groups of other babies. Then, there are other women who, after careful consideration, fall somewhere in the middle of these two scenarios. All are smart, informed women. There is no right and wrong here. The right thing to do is what you think will protect your child and add to a healthful life.

Just because you don't understand another woman's thinking, because it is so different from your own.... you should try not to put her down. There are very credible, intelligent points for both sides of this decision. I wish you all healthy babies and long, happy lives with them!

 

[BrandiCanucks]

Not sure if anyone is aware but autism has been proven to also occur in the chromosomes. So by the theory (and yes, it`s only a theory, although it has been proven in a few cases) that vaccines trigger underlying conditions, it IS possible that vaccines "cause"(read: trigger) autism in the sense that the symptoms of the chromosomal abnormality are activated, and those symptoms may very well be autism-like symptoms.

 

[Ozzieshunni]

I would rather a discussion with credible studies that back up their points.

 

[summer rain]

^Great post Rainbow gift; thank you! xx

 

[feeble]

Rainbow Gifts post wins the thread x

 

[summer rain]

Ozzies...I know you are not, and I apologize if my response may come across as rude. It is really NOT intended to be rude AT ALL. I suppose PMS mixed with condemning frustrations regarding this topic has my blood boiling a little. I all too commonly hear people tell non-vaxxers exactly what is stated in the post above and it irks me the wrong way. I hate when people tell me and other parents their children are "faking" or that parents are lying. I can guarantee that these parents who aren't vaccinating because of a reaction would MUCH prefer to not have to deal with the daily battle and would have LOVED to vaccinate and not had a reaction. I do agree though that those who don't vaccinate because of the "what if" or the "I don't want to risk" should do some more research. While my daughter's case is rare, it's exactly that...RARE, meaning unlikely to happen again, even to another child.

I would love nothing more than for her doctors to tell me that her condition was a fluke accident and that my other two children will not be affected if vaccinated, I would love to be told her condition was not triggered by a vaccine, and if it is, we will do only selective, spread apart and no combo vaccines, but until then, my kids are vaccine-free.

I know she had the issue with the MMR obviously, but did she have ANY reaction to her other vaccines?

On page 7 in a picture of a DTap reaction on her arm from September. If we find out what her condition is and can prove it was triggered by vaccines, then DTap would have been the first trigger, the very first vaccine. According to growth charts, at birth, her head was in the 25th percentile (some sites say 12th, either way, she was within normal limits). She had her first vaccine the same week her head circumference slowed its growth. It was the 3rd percentile at two months, and below the first at 5 months old.

My second eldest's head completely stopped growing for months after having the 5-in-1 vaccine (replacement for dtap in UK), when he was born his head was the size of a 3 month old and between birth and 8 weeks his head growth was slightly above average but ground to a halt after having that vaccine, he also stopped gaining weight or growing in length properly; while this was found to be due to allergies and problems absorbing nutrients his problems did start from the very afternoon he had the first dose of that vaccine. Thankfully his head did start growing again when he was just under a year and it is now on the 50th centile. I am so sorry what happened to your little girl xx

 

[MizzDeeDee]

Not sure if anyone is aware but autism has been proven to also occur in the chromosomes. So by the theory (and yes, it`s only a theory, although it has been proven in a few cases) that vaccines trigger underlying conditions, it IS possible that vaccines "cause"(read: trigger) autism in the sense that the symptoms of the chromosomal abnormality are activated, and those symptoms may very well be autism-like symptoms.

I agree. People have to have a predisposition to Autism to get Autism. It is genetic and something triggers it (which would make the onset environmental).

I don't like the word "cause" because I don't feel like the virus made it happen, rather that the body's response to it did. Maybe splitting hairs or semantics... just the way I feel though.

 

[feeble]

whats the difference? the fact is, without that vaccine, perhaps that trigger wouldnt have occured?

wether you say 'trigger' or 'cause' the result is the same.

 

[Natsku]

If a vaccine triggers something then the illness that the vaccine was for would most likely trigger it (if they don't have the vaccine in the first place).

Disclaimer: thats just a guess on my part but its make sense, logically.

 

[BrandiCanucks]

I hate saying vaccines cause anything. That's why I use trigger.

 

[MizzDeeDee]

whats the difference? the fact is, without that vaccine, perhaps that trigger wouldnt have occured?

wether you say 'trigger' or 'cause' the result is the same.

It's just how I feel... and that's being someone that got an autoimmune disease after a major illness.

I think in my situation if it wasn't this illness it probably would have been another one that would have triggered a response.

 

[MizzDeeDee]

I hate saying vaccines cause anything. That's why I use trigger.

Exactly.

 

[MizzDeeDee]

If a vaccine triggers something then the illness that the vaccine was for would most likely trigger it (if they don't have the vaccine in the first place).

Disclaimer: thats just a guess on my part but its make sense, logically.

Absolutely.

 

[feeble]

If a vaccine triggers something then the illness that the vaccine was for would most likely trigger it (if they don't have the vaccine in the first place).

Disclaimer: thats just a guess on my part but its make sense, logically.

its pretty rare to get rubella, mumps and measles ALL at once i would think... probably even impossible so, thats chop logic.

for all we know the disease could prevent there ever being a trigger

either way, personally i have met FAR more children who have suffered vaccine damage than i have children who have suffered from the diseases we are so quick off the mark to vaccinate again.

pros and cons, pros and cons

 

[MrsPOP]

If a vaccine triggers something then the illness that the vaccine was for would most likely trigger it (if they don't have the vaccine in the first place).

Disclaimer: thats just a guess on my part but its make sense, logically.

its pretty rare to get rubella, mumps and measles ALL at once i would think... probably even impossible so, thats chop logic.

for all we know the disease could prevent there ever being a trigger

either way, personally i have met FAR more children who have suffered vaccine damage than i have children who have suffered from the diseases we are so quick off the mark to vaccinate again.

pros and cons, pros and cons

Probably because vaccinations have almost eradicated those illnesses perhaps?

 

[MizzDeeDee]

If a vaccine triggers something then the illness that the vaccine was for would most likely trigger it (if they don't have the vaccine in the first place).

Disclaimer: thats just a guess on my part but its make sense, logically.

its pretty rare to get rubella, mumps and measles ALL at once i would think... probably even impossible so, thats chop logic.

for all we know the disease could prevent there ever being a trigger

either way, personally i have met FAR more children who have suffered vaccine damage than i have children who have suffered from the diseases we are so quick off the mark to vaccinate again.

pros and cons, pros and cons

That's because the other kids are getting vaccinated. Of course you won't meet many that suffer from the diseases. That's the point of a vaccine.


And it's NOT chop logic. ANY of those disease can cause a trigger.. they don't need to be clumped together. I had the norovirus and I started getting sick. One illness. Not three together.

 

[feeble]

so why the rush? if a disease is eradicated, why oh why do we need to vaccinate such tiny, tiny little babies against them?

yes, of course if we lived in a country where these diseases were rife, there would be different pros, but we DONT

 

[BrandiCanucks]

whats the difference? the fact is, without that vaccine, perhaps that trigger wouldnt have occured?

wether you say 'trigger' or 'cause' the result is the same.

Trigger means something has to exist in the first place. Cause means there was nothing there in the first place. In every case that has been proven a child was vaccine injured, an underlying condition has been found, hence why the vaccine was a trigger and not a cause.

 

[Natsku]

Because if we stop vaccinating those diseases will come back.