Immunize or not?

[feeble]

you'd be surprised how many kids i know who have not been vaccinated at all

it is chop logic, its like saying a schizophrenic may as well have smoked loads of weed because their disease will have just been triggered by something else (despite getting to sometimes well in their 20s/30s before cannabis triggering the reaction)

of course you should avoid triggers if there are other things that point to those triggers causing a dangerous reaction.

 

[Ozzieshunni]

There's no point in responding at all to feeble because she's blocked me

 

[My_First]

And because there are people who either choose not to.., or cannot due to.. therefore it is never completly eradicated, therefore we need vaccinations.

If everyone never travelled, and got vaccinated, then it wouldnt be a problem, however thats not realistic...

 

[My_First]

There's no point in responding at all to feeble because she's blocked me

Thats okay...I could always quote you...

 

[XJessicaX]

And because there are people who either choose not to.., or cannot due to.. therefore it is never completly eradicated, therefore we need vaccinations.

If everyone never travelled, and got vaccinated, then it wouldnt be a problem, however thats not realistic...

Exactly.

 

[feeble]

whats the difference? the fact is, without that vaccine, perhaps that trigger wouldnt have occured?

wether you say 'trigger' or 'cause' the result is the same.

Trigger means something has to exist in the first place. Cause means there was nothing there in the first place. In every case that has been proven a child was vaccine injured, an underlying condition has been found, hence why the vaccine was a trigger and not a cause.

agreed, i was referring to this idea that we should continue vaccinating without looking at the pros and cons because vaccines ONLY trigger diseases NOT cause them, when actually the outcome is the same!

I dont think vaccinations cause things either, but i do think they MAY exacerbate and trigger problems that may never had been triggered if the vaccination had not been given. I also believe that the age we give vaccinations is inappropriate given the level of ACTUAL risk from the diseases we vaccinate against. They are not rife or common in our society so why the rush?

Dont forget i Do and Have vaccinated my children, if i honestly thought vaccinations caused these issues i obviously wouldnt... proceed with caution is my vibe x

 

[Mindy_mini]

so why the rush? if a disease is eradicated, why oh why do we need to vaccinate such tiny, tiny little babies against them?

yes, of course if we lived in a country where these diseases were rife, there would be different pros, but we DONT

Because whilst we may live in a country where it's almost unheard of to contract these illnesses, there's nothing to say it won't be brought into the country by someone from a country where they don't vaccinate and before you know it we have a problem if you don't vaccinate

 

[feeble]

so why the rush? if a disease is eradicated, why oh why do we need to vaccinate such tiny, tiny little babies against them?

yes, of course if we lived in a country where these diseases were rife, there would be different pros, but we DONT

Because whilst we may live in a country where it's almost unheard of to contract these illnesses, there's nothing to say it won't be brought into the country by someone from a country where they don't vaccinate and before you know it we have a problem if you don't vaccinate

agreed, but why so young?

 

[Ozzieshunni]

There's no point in responding at all to feeble because she's blocked me

Thats okay...I could always quote you...

It's ok. I think it's all a bit conspiracy theorist to me. She won't give sources, just wild assumptions and nonsense about herd immunity.

 

[MizzDeeDee]

so why the rush? if a disease is eradicated, why oh why do we need to vaccinate such tiny, tiny little babies against them?

yes, of course if we lived in a country where these diseases were rife, there would be different pros, but we DONT

Because whilst we may live in a country where it's almost unheard of to contract these illnesses, there's nothing to say it won't be brought into the country by someone from a country where they don't vaccinate and before you know it we have a problem if you don't vaccinate

agreed, but why so young?

Because infants, the immune suppressed, and the elderly are more susceptible to disease.

 

[My_First]

so why the rush? if a disease is eradicated, why oh why do we need to vaccinate such tiny, tiny little babies against them?

yes, of course if we lived in a country where these diseases were rife, there would be different pros, but we DONT

Because whilst we may live in a country where it's almost unheard of to contract these illnesses, there's nothing to say it won't be brought into the country by someone from a country where they don't vaccinate and before you know it we have a problem if you don't vaccinate

agreed, but why so young?

Because infants, the immune suppressed, and the elderly are more susceptible to disease.

And also one cannot be certain as to when a baby may pick it up, and who they may come in contact with.

 

[feeble]

so why the rush? if a disease is eradicated, why oh why do we need to vaccinate such tiny, tiny little babies against them?

yes, of course if we lived in a country where these diseases were rife, there would be different pros, but we DONT

Because whilst we may live in a country where it's almost unheard of to contract these illnesses, there's nothing to say it won't be brought into the country by someone from a country where they don't vaccinate and before you know it we have a problem if you don't vaccinate

agreed, but why so young?

Because infants, the immune suppressed, and the elderly are more susceptible to disease.

Not if breastfed... if breastfed the immunity is shared with the mother, so again we see a reason for a personal decision based upon circumstances...

it does not and should not be a one-size-fits-all model. We should all be making decisions for ourselves, based on research and personal circumstances.

 

[Natsku]

Breastfeeding does give some immunity but not to the extent of vaccination and also if the mother hasn't kept up with her boosters she may not even have the immunity.

 

[milf2be]

whats the difference? the fact is, without that vaccine, perhaps that trigger wouldnt have occured?

wether you say 'trigger' or 'cause' the result is the same.

Trigger means something has to exist in the first place. Cause means there was nothing there in the first place. In every case that has been proven a child was vaccine injured, an underlying condition has been found, hence why the vaccine was a trigger and not a cause.

agreed, i was referring to this idea that we should continue vaccinating without looking at the pros and cons because vaccines ONLY trigger diseases NOT cause them, when actually the outcome is the same!

I dont think vaccinations cause things either, but i do think they MAY exacerbate and trigger problems that may never had been triggered if the vaccination had not been given. I also believe that the age we give vaccinations is inappropriate given the level of ACTUAL risk from the diseases we vaccinate against. They are not rife or common in our society so why the rush?

Dont forget i Do and Have vaccinated my children, if i honestly thought vaccinations caused these issues i obviously wouldnt... proceed with caution is my vibe x

they are not common in our society because people have vaccinated against them. if people stop vaccinated their children then the numbers begin to rise again

 

[MizzDeeDee]

so why the rush? if a disease is eradicated, why oh why do we need to vaccinate such tiny, tiny little babies against them?

yes, of course if we lived in a country where these diseases were rife, there would be different pros, but we DONT

Because whilst we may live in a country where it's almost unheard of to contract these illnesses, there's nothing to say it won't be brought into the country by someone from a country where they don't vaccinate and before you know it we have a problem if you don't vaccinate

agreed, but why so young?

Because infants, the immune suppressed, and the elderly are more susceptible to disease.

Not if breastfed... if breastfed the immunity is shared with the mother, so again we see a reason for a personal decision based upon circumstances...

it does not and should not be a one-size-fits-all model. We should all be making decisions for ourselves, based on research and personal circumstances.

I thought that is what we were doing.


And breast milk gives antibodies but that doesn't 100% ensure that they won't get an illness.

https://www.kellymom.com/health/med...www.kellymom.com/health/meds/vaccines-bf.html

 

[feeble]

but i have kept up with my boosters, i think (by now) in this disease filled country full of possible outbreaks of disease that you all think we live in, it would be pretty obvious by now if i hadn't gained immunity. They test you for a number of them when your pregnant for a start.

I just wish people would accept that it is possible to make a decision based upon your family and your child without being 'irresponsible' or whatever. Its really 'not' that cut n dry.

There is a SLIGHT chance that in the few months between birth and me giving my children the vaccinations, they MIGHT come into contact with a disease that i MIGHT not protect them against

there is also a risk that the vaccine will trigger a reaction that will cause brain damage... I believe that risk is slightly less when vaccines are given later... Its not a decision i came to lightly, its about weighing up the pros and cons based upon my circumstances, living situation etc

 

[MrsPOP]

so why the rush? if a disease is eradicated, why oh why do we need to vaccinate such tiny, tiny little babies against them?

yes, of course if we lived in a country where these diseases were rife, there would be different pros, but we DONT

Because whilst we may live in a country where it's almost unheard of to contract these illnesses, there's nothing to say it won't be brought into the country by someone from a country where they don't vaccinate and before you know it we have a problem if you don't vaccinate

agreed, but why so young?

Because infants, the immune suppressed, and the elderly are more susceptible to disease.

^^^ This.
Feeble you said you've seen loads of unvaccinated kids.

I have too...in the children's hospital I used to work in, seriously ill from illness that could have been prevented (and these kids had no contraindications to vaccination).

Like Ozzie, my LO has a heart condition, so getting her vaccinated is essential.

 

[Ozzieshunni]

 

[BrandiCanucks]

Can I join you?

 

[feeble]

you cannot expect people to base their thoughts about their childrens well being, with YOUR personal experience and thoughts.

It is a choice we (as parents) make for ourselves and thats how it should be.

The difference is, people who vaccinate tend to label none vaxers as 'irresponsible' whereas you see very little of that the other way.

my experience has taught me to proceed with caution, and i have. If yours have taught you different then thats YOUR choice to make based on your circumstances and your child.

Your right to vaccinate is not something i appose, its the idea that others are irresponsible for not vaccinating, this is ignorant of the risks involved i believe. There are reasons both ways...