Jehovah's Witnesses

[ShanandBoc]

Isaiah 65:21,25 - descibes what our relationship with animals will be in paradise, that we wont cause harm to them nor them to us, that everyone will grow and eat their own food, we will all have housing, and satisfactory work which would be looking after our families, the animals and the earth.

Isaiah 35: 4-7 - speaks of deaf ones being able to hear, the lame one will climb up as a stag ( no more pain, sickness and disability. That there will be plenty of fresh water, that will burst out in the dessert plains

They are really beautiful scriptures.

Alot of people would be familiar with Revelation 21 :3,4 - "and God will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning, nor outcry, nor pain be anymore, the former things have passed away"

Psalms chapter 37 has several scriptures about the righteouss residing forever on the earth.

Psamls 37: 9 - "Evildoers themselves will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will be saved"

Psalms37:11 - "The meek ones will possess the earth, and find the exquisite delight in the abundance of peace"

Psalms 37: 29 - " The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it"

God plans to more than make up for any suffering we endure now, he sent his son to die on our behlaf so we all have this opportunity, since is why Jesus died for us and what he spoke to others about while he was on earth (Gods coming kingdom)

 

[ShanandBoc]

Some people seem to be giving ShanandBoc a bit of a hard time; She has been asked dozens of questions, all of which she has answered fully, and politely. I for one am finding it very interesting, despite not being religious.

Can I ask, regarding Adam and Eve; does their existance mean that JW's dont believe we evolved from ape's, but only Adam and Eve? And if so, was there a world before humans were around? Dinosoars etc? Why was there such a long time before humans were on the planet?

Sorry if Im being stupid

Since Christian and JW's believe the same about creation I believe I can answer is, but I apologize if it's not right with JW's teachings. Man was created in God's image, we were never Apes and JW's do not believe in the theory of evolution, in fact by the end of Darwin's life he renounced the theory as well
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created him."
There was a world before humans were created:
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty..."
Humans were created on the last day so there was a 7 day gap between the creation of the earth and all of it's entirety and when humans were created.

Thanks for that. So what about dinosoars/cavemen, things like that. Is it believed that they existed? I have a feeling I am being stupid lol

Oh you are not being stupid at all!!! I'm very inquisitive so I'm always wanting to know the why's and how's of everything

There is scientific proof that dinosaurs existed and I don't know any Christian who would dispute the fact that they were once here, but as with many animals they feel extinct at some point in time for an unknown reason.
For the cavemen, man started somewhere. When God created man they were at a primal state. As to them being as they pictured in movies, books etc. as long haired, un shaven men running around in animal skins beating their chests and banging on rocks etc. I'm not so sure lol

Thankyou Its all very confusing. I wonder if the "first" humans (cavemen) believed in any God. I know it would not have been to the depths that people believe now, but I would guess that they worshipped something.

I was always taught that the story of Adam and Eve was a parable and not meant to be taken literally?

Scientits have agreed that the creation account in Genesis, if that was how the earth as we know it came to be, is scientifically accurate in how it explains the order in which God made it fit for human habitat.

And interestingly, it says that God made Adam from the dust....Check out this link and look at what our bodies are actually made up of

The 59 elements found in the human body are all found on the earths crust. This is amazing because what the Bible says perfectly match the scientific composition of a human body.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/430672/From-Dust-to-Man-A-Scientific-Proof

So this is also scientifically accurate.

 

[madasa]

Wow! Loving the links you keep posting!

You do realise I'm not getting ANY housework done, right? I'm going to have to dust off the "growth spurt" excuse methinks....!!

 

[ShanandBoc]

Lol sorry xo

 

[Blue_bumpkin]

Some people seem to be giving ShanandBoc a bit of a hard time; She has been asked dozens of questions, all of which she has answered fully, and politely. I for one am finding it very interesting, despite not being religious.

Can I ask, regarding Adam and Eve; does their existance mean that JW's dont believe we evolved from ape's, but only Adam and Eve? And if so, was there a world before humans were around? Dinosoars etc? Why was there such a long time before humans were on the planet?

Sorry if Im being stupid

Since Christian and JW's believe the same about creation I believe I can answer is, but I apologize if it's not right with JW's teachings. Man was created in God's image, we were never Apes and JW's do not believe in the theory of evolution, in fact by the end of Darwin's life he renounced the theory as well
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created him."
There was a world before humans were created:
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty..."
Humans were created on the last day so there was a 7 day gap between the creation of the earth and all of it's entirety and when humans were created.

Thanks for that. So what about dinosoars/cavemen, things like that. Is it believed that they existed? I have a feeling I am being stupid lol

Oh you are not being stupid at all!!! I'm very inquisitive so I'm always wanting to know the why's and how's of everything

There is scientific proof that dinosaurs existed and I don't know any Christian who would dispute the fact that they were once here, but as with many animals they feel extinct at some point in time for an unknown reason.
For the cavemen, man started somewhere. When God created man they were at a primal state. As to them being as they pictured in movies, books etc. as long haired, un shaven men running around in animal skins beating their chests and banging on rocks etc. I'm not so sure lol

Thankyou Its all very confusing. I wonder if the "first" humans (cavemen) believed in any God. I know it would not have been to the depths that people believe now, but I would guess that they worshipped something.

I was always taught that the story of Adam and Eve was a parable and not meant to be taken literally?

Scientits have agreed that the creation account in Genesis, if that was how the earth as we know it came to be, is scientifically accurate in how it explains the order in which God made it fit for human habitat.

And interestingly, it says that God made Adam from the dust....Check out this link and look at what our bodies are actually made up of

The 59 elements found in the human body are all found on the earths crust. This is amazing because what the Bible says perfectly match the scientific composition of a human body.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/430672/From-Dust-to-Man-A-Scientific-Proof

So this is also scientifically accurate.

I dont think scientists as a collective agree, nor do I think that breathing into someones nostrils can make them a living soul - i just don't believe that that was intended to be taken literally. I was always taught that it was a parable and I understand it that way. It makes more sense. Evolution is far to plausible to me. I cannot grasp the idea of us all coming from Adam and Eve.

But you have your beliefs and I have mine x

 

[ShanandBoc]

What our bodies are made up of is scientific fact tho, you cant deny it.

God creating life and breathing into Adam his first breath, seems much more plausable to me than us evolving from an animal, whose make up is quite different to ours, and in turn that animal and all other living things, the complexity of nature, the way the sun and our planet and the universe works, all coming from nothing, an explosion that by pure coincidence set things in perfect syncronisation or an organisim that somehow turned itself into all the wonderful variety of creatures we see today. Each with their own instincts and characteristics.

Im not sure of exact numbers but did you know that if the sun was just 2% closer to earth, it would be uninhabitable for all life? as water would dry up and it would be too hot.

If it were 2% further away, it would ice over, again being pretty much inhabitable.

There is way too much evidence suggesting a intelligent being designed things so perfectly for it all to have come together as it has by chance, even our own bodies and the way we are made. Intelligent design.

And true we have differing beliefs and its nice to debate them in such a polite fashion x

And below is from an earlier post i made....

Even consider such human organs as the brain, ear and the eye... A problem for evolutionists has been the fact that such organs have to work together for sight, hearing and thinking to take place. Could the undirected element of chance which is the driving force of evolution have brought all these parts together, completed at the right time to produce such amazing mechanisims?

Darwin acknowledged this, he wrote " To suppose that the eye, could have formed by evolution seems i freely confess, absurd in the highest degree"

Think with all our technology even the best cameras are no match for the human eye, just as computers are no match for the human brain

Science writer Morgan Hunt wrote" our active memories hold several billion times more information than any computer"

Our brains also have the capability of learning endlessly, forever.

Why would they have been designed to take in information forever if we were not designed to live forever?

Neurosurgeon Dr Robert J White stated" to say that the human brain evolved from that of any animal, defies reason and the facts. Far more logical is this conclusion,: i am left with no other choice but to acknowledge the existence of a superior intellect, responsible for the design and development of the incredible brain - The mind / brain relationship Its something far beyond mans capacity to understand.
I have to believe that all this had an intelliegent beginning, that someone made it happen"

 

[flubdub]

Amazing stuff!!

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

Mind blowing stuff
xx

 

[Blue_bumpkin]

But then if god created all that then someone had to have created him and thats even more mind blowing! If you are going to say that it happening as a result of the big bang is too far fetched then you have to apply the same logic to God then and who/what created him iykwim. Who gave him all his wisdom and knowledge to create everything? Too mind blowing for me I am a scientific person, I like science and Im good at science. I have studied parts of evolution and I believe we evolved.

Like I have said before, some parts of religion are open to interpretation imo. Some things cannot be explained. But I suppose thats why it is called having faith and religion and not just called fact

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

I have thought about this all night and I am still in favour of science in the form of evolution and the way we live. I think mother nature is the most powerful force out there.

 

[Cariad_bach]

But then if god created all that then someone had to have created him and thats even more mind blowing! If you are going to say that it happening as a result of the big bang is too far fetched then you have to apply the same logic to God then and who/what created him iykwim.

But that's thinking of God as a 'him' .... a 'something' .. to me God just 'is'

Does that make sense

I cant think of another way to put it, God's the power thats always been

 

[ShanandBoc]

But then if god created all that then someone had to have created him and thats even more mind blowing! If you are going to say that it happening as a result of the big bang is too far fetched then you have to apply the same logic to God then and who/what created him iykwim. Who gave him all his wisdom and knowledge to create everything? Too mind blowing for me I am a scientific person, I like science and Im good at science. I have studied parts of evolution and I believe we evolved.

Like I have said before, some parts of religion are open to interpretation imo. Some things cannot be explained. But I suppose thats why it is called having faith and religion and not just called fact

Its a good point but God just is, has always existed. Hard to comprehend i know, But your saying that if God exists, that he had to have been created, yet you believe Everything else has come to be out of nowhere?

Science can only tell us so much, some of it may be wrong, so there is an element of faith there too right??....I guess there are some things that are beyond us to understand. But When science tells us that the universe is infinite, we believe that, yet none have us have ever seen it for ourselves or can even comprehend such a thing. Or they tell us how hot the surface of the sun is? We cant imagine that kind of heat, and how do we really know? after all its only human evaluation that comes to any scientific conclusion. The bible is scientifically accurate and historically accurate and contains wisdom far beyond what humans could dream up.

I have lots of info on how we couldnt have evolved from apes, which i will post up when i have more time. There are many holes, unexplainable conclusions and not enough evidence to back up the evolution theory, too may 'we dont knows'.

Our planet and everything on it is very tiny compared to The powerful being that is God, he is not a material thing or a person that we can see , he is a powerful spirit being,a force, he has always just been

Essentially what your saying tho is everything had to be created by saying God had to be created, yet that goes against the whole theory of evolution.

Im not trying to argue, just giving my point of view and thanks for your post

 

[ShanandBoc]

But then if god created all that then someone had to have created him and thats even more mind blowing! If you are going to say that it happening as a result of the big bang is too far fetched then you have to apply the same logic to God then and who/what created him iykwim.

But that's thinking of God as a 'him' .... a 'something' .. to me God just 'is'

Does that make sense

I cant think of another way to put it, God's the power thats always been

Thats right, maybe thats what i was trying to say, it just took me an essay to explain it hahah but he is referred to in the bible as our father, and us his children and Jesus referred to him as father so i guess thats why God is reffered to as a 'him' But really as a spirit being doesnt have a gender i guess, thats a interesting thought lol!

Although it would make much more sense if God was a female

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

I appreciate your posts and they are educational. However you talk about science as though it is all fiction but isn't being religious all about faith due to lack of facts? There is no proved right or wrong.

 

[ShanandBoc]

I certainly dont think science is all fictional at all, thats deffinately not what i think?? where have i said that? I was just pointing out that there is faith involved there too.

Religion and the bible isnt all about faith. The bible is full of historical facts, places, events, people, ancestory lines etc, and i pointed out what is in there about the process and steps where it explains the creation of the earth and humans as we know it is scientifically correct.

I was more referring to things i mentioned in my above post that science cant really 'prove' like that the universe in infininte, the sun etc, not things here on the earth that are much more reliable conclusions as we can see them and research them properly. I never ever said it was wrong or fictional tho.

 

[flubdub]

I dont understand how, if the whole bible revolves around humans, and most of Gods actions do too, why was there such a long time on earth before humans were around? It was hundreds of millions of years.

 

[ShanandBoc]

Remeber also that there was a time not so long ago, that people believed the world was flat, it was a common belief. As we had no planes, or space travel then, most people didnt know any better

Yet the bible had always stated that the earth was 'sphere' and a 'circle', How did bible writers know that at that time in history if they werent being inspired by God to write what they did?

 

[ShanandBoc]

I dont understand how, if the whole bible revolves around humans, and most of Gods actions do too, why was there such a long time on earth before humans were around? It was hundreds of millions of years.

Who knows? But we were created to be here forever, Gods concept of time is very different to ours dont forget. The bible says that a thousand years to us, is but a day to God Thats looking at time the way we see it x So to God who has and will always exist, thats nothing IYKWIM

 

[madasa]

I don't see anyone saying science is fiction... Only that there are scientific claims to back up what can be found in the bible?

 

[Dragonfly]

I dont think anyone should be allowed to come to your door with anything I find it intrusive, whether they selling something or preaching. Few preachers in old address which I take whatever as they seem nice and polite but I get rid of them quickly and politly to,. I havnt got a nutter yet thats needed putting in place. Sometimes I just sit there and let them ring the bell and they know I am in and all as they seen me to. Rage at the ones that used to wake William though, unforgivable! usually people selling art work. No one comes here now, big gates provate land signs etc well photographers and snoopers do but no bible bashers.

By the way I don't believe in god but I dont care who does. I just have my beliefs and they have theirs and I would like both to keep private .