Junebugs 2010

[nightkd]

KD panic attacks are a symptom too for PND, not had those yet but I feel so anxious and on edge all the time, I can't relax.. they are both in bed now sleeping but I don't know what to do with myself. My baby doesn't cry much but she doesn't sleep so she is always tired and I spend all day trying to rock or cuddle her to sleep and I want to enjoy her like when she slept better and wasn't always shattered. Both girls got a cold so I hope once that is gone it will be better.

If you feel bad about BF switch to formula but think about it cause I felt bad about it with DD1 and quit when she was 2 weeks and I did regret it once I felt a bit better. This time I am glad I am feeding her, only thing that seems to work lol

Are you going to speak to a doctor about how you feel? If not it will pass on it's own usually within 3-6 months. I need to get myself sorted though cause of DD1, I cried the other day and she said "please don't be sad mummy, I love you" that really broke my heart. I love her so much and I will do anything to make myself better for her. If I get worse I will not be able to look after them!

Sorry I am going on, actually helps to talk about it. I felt guilty but have realised it's not my fault, I do not want to feel like this!!

I know how you feel, it will get better I am sure, you will forget about it all and want another. Days with Evey will be fun and it will be a miracle to you to watch her grow up learn to crawl, walk and talk!! It keeps me going that I have done it all before and was fine in the end.

I know, it's not all the time and it's definitely a lot better than it was a couple of weeks ago. I just still feel a bit lost without DH here.

Awww Talking does help a lot! I went from feeling utterly down and depressed at the beginning and then realised that it will get better...even though I knew that, it took explaining how I felt (in great detail!!) to DH and talking things through with him to actually get it to click in my head...and then I felt reassured... It's mostly Sunday nights that I feel worst; knowing that DH isn't going to be there the next day and wondering how I'll cope...Sounds kind of sad, but when he's here everything seems so much more manageable.

I have gone back and forth about the BF'ing and FF'ing decision, because I do enjoy BF'ing sometimes and would be sad to stop altogether... Last night and today though, my supply has run away....Evelyn is taking comfort in suckling, but she's not getting enough to stop her from being hungry... It's gone from being just enough, to me not being able to satisfy her at all, in a matter of just a couple of days I'm giving her formula when she wakes up, because she's been so unsettled today because of that, I just want to know she's getting her fill and I'm not leaving her little tummy rumbling. I feel like I should feel like a failure, but I don't wondering how it will go over the next couple of days, but I think I might just offer her boob sometimes and give her formula and see how we go... Even if she just has formula and uses me as a paci, I wouldn't mind that much really

I think for the most part, I feel guilty! And it's not so much about Bean now! I was talking to my mum earlier and I was scared to tell her we'd been giving Evey formula.... I guess I'll just say my supply is dwindling, so we supplemented with formula...I'm sure she'll understand, but I feel like I'm letting HER down more than myself

Eh, even if it all falls apart this week, at least I made it a month BF'ing Evelyn.

Sorry, now I'm going on! This is the major issue that's been bothering me though, whether or not to switch entirely to formula....

xx

 

[E&L's mummy]

KD i understand, im researching relactation as we speak.

 

[emmadrumm77]

Kd, just express when you can to keep the milk supply up. That way you can make sure that you don't dry up. It is hard and especially the first 6weeks as they have so many growth spurts. If you decide to give up bf and go ff then you have done so well to do 1 month! And if you decide that you continue to bf then because you have continued to express then you will be fine.

Do what is right for you xxxxx None should frown upon you xxx

 

[Delilah]

KD you have to do what you want and you will make the right decision for you based on your circumstances

My milk is back with a vengeance - the espressing is helping and also the new Medela shields now he is feeding from them. I am so sore though my boobs were killing me this morning, I fed him on both sides to empty them a bit. I am still in pain with the initial latch - partly because my nipples are still not healed properly but also I think because with the shields they only get the nipple and not the areola so its putting stress on them... Cant believe Nathan is 3 weeks old already!

I am really dreading evening times now - Nathan starts crying and we cannot settle him at all - last night I gave him a formula feed because he had emptied me and was still hungry - I think I will be mixing from now on - he slept 2am-6am and has now been asleep since 7am, he'll wake any minute for feeding I'm sure. Going to try Infacol later even though everyone said it isnt colic... but I think you can use it for wind - do you just squirt it in their mouths?

MIL arrives in the morning we pick her up at the airport at 7.30am

Have a good day everyone xx

 

[lili24]

Yes D you squirt it in the mouth, Layla loved the taste of it It's only cheap isn't it.. Gotta be worth a try!

Hope it works for you, sounds like you're doin a fab job x

 

[emmadrumm77]

D...................You are doing fine hun xxxxxx
Did you try not letting him sleep past 5pm, then bath at 6..............Jake loves his bath, i hold just his head and he just kicks like mad..................totally knackers him out! And he is then ready for sleep at 7 xxxxx

He is now doing the brightest smiles.................it lights up him entire face! Just love them xxx

Linn.....................how r u? you seen dr yet?

 

[chief's wife]

hi everyone. just had a little break from Daniel and the kids and decided to pop in..............
Emma- i didn't see my name on the front page list.Daniel junior born on the 27th of june.
D-just like Emma suggested ,a warm bath helps

 

[chief's wife]

Emma- cuddles to Jake on my behalf . long time no speak. hugs

 

[emmadrumm77]

Chiefs wife xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sorry you were not on list!! Not sure how that happened xxxxx

 

[tillykins]

Hi all june mummies,
have been reading the thread but never get round to posting! I hope you are all well. Hugs to those who are feeling a bit naff
Dylan was weighed today and is 12 pounds,he is a little guzzler, has had a fair few days of being constantly on the breast and nothing else!Presuming it was a growth spurt judging by his weight today!
I have an over supply of milk though,it literally squirts out as soon as he latches on which causes him to gag and for us both needing a change of clothes,even when he is latched on it is streaming from the sides of his mouth,hv has suggested expressing a bit by hand before he feeds so going to give that a try! Have to wrap him in a towel for night time feeds else we are both soaking by the end!
Am loving being a new mummy, am absolutely worn out but its so worth it when i look at his little face each day!
Love and hugs to you all xxx

 

[-Linn-]

KD if you don't feel better see a doctor, being scared of being alone is another symptom of PND. If it is getting much better it was probably just the baby blues. I only started feeling bad last week.

Been to see my GP and he has put me on a very low dose of antidepressants and I am going back to see him in 3 weeks. Will also see my HV in 2 weeks to review how I am feeling.

I am feeling fine now, been to play group, GP, cafe for lunch and then food shopping, fed E, played with O in garden and did some dishes. But every night when they are asleep I get really bad anxiety. I find it really horrible and never felt like it before... so although I do not want to take meds, I think it is the best. This fear is really crippling and I don't even know what I am actually scared of.

E been feeding lots more today which made me happy!!

E&L I have 2 friends who have successfully relactated.. you just need to pump lots, even when nothing comes out, if you do it for 15 mins every few hrs you should soon get some milk!

 

[lili24]

That is fab Linn, glad you feel good today. Hopefully the tablets will work fast and you will be feeling great soon xxxxxxx

 

[-Linn-]

Thanks Lili, I do feel a bit weird to be taking them, but I want to feel better... have asked GP for counselling though so I can be weaned off the tablets asap!

 

[emmadrumm77]

Linn..........................glad you are slowly geting sorted. You can do it hun, you are a fab mum xxxx
Hi Tilly xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I wish my milk was spurting! I feel like there is never anything in them! When he latches on a feel a let down and he sucks but they never feel full.....................he seems to be ok though, but would be more reassured if they felt like they had something in them! Last 2 times with DD's they were so heavy with milk! Maybe it's just different this time around????

Looking forward to himn being weighed tomorrow! He was last weighed at 11 days old and was 8lb 9oz. Been 2 weeks xxx

 

[-Linn-]

I dont get full anymore.. but always got lots of milk.. when she comes off I can still spray it out.. I always check if she came off cause there is nothing there lol

 

[Delilah]

thanks ladies, good to see you Tilly and Chief's Wife xx

Emma how long do you leave Jake in the bath for? Nathan likes his baths too he isnt smiling yet though, I'm jealous!

Also what do you do to keep him awake until 7pm? Nathan seems to sleep after his early evening feed then he starts to cry from 9pm ish for hours....

Good news - wait for it - he has put 14oz on in a week lol - she had to weigh him three times to make sure! So he is now 11lb 5oz so pleased my milk is working for him after the worry of him losing 4oz last week when the avent nipple shields were causing me problems. She wouldnt measure him though she said she didnt have the equipment... FFS! Where do they measure from, I will do it myself!

Linn glad you are feeling better and E&L good luck.

Lili you are doing so well with Layla I cant believe how experienced you sound already as a mum

Marie xxx

 

[-Linn-]

Delilah you can measure him yourself. Get Paul to help you.. you need to lie him on the floor then put his head straight behind a book or DVD on its side then you straighten his legs while paul holds his head down with the back of hs head on the floor with either hand on his cheek so he can't turn it to one side and then you put another DVD behing his feet. Then you take a tape and measure the distance between the 2 dvds, that's his length.

 

[nightkd]

I am really dreading evening times now - Nathan starts crying and we cannot settle him at all - last night I gave him a formula feed because he had emptied me and was still hungry - I think I will be mixing from now on - he slept 2am-6am and has now been asleep since 7am, he'll wake any minute for feeding I'm sure.

Sounds like fussy time. It can be good for them to be fussy in the evenings, if he is trying to feed more regularly then, it means he's potentially trying to get himself set up for a longer nights sleep...iykwim?

Evey seems to have settled more into have fussy time in the evening (instead of at 2am like it was for a while...) and if she cries an hour after feeding, we'll feed her again (she usually goes 3 hours between feeds normally) and feed her again...basically trying to get as much into her during 'fussy time' so she doesn't wake up hungry and awkward early morning... We're pretty much using formula as and when during the day now though, so it's a bit easier than trying to do straight breastmilk... She was spot on with her fussy time last night...Went to sleep at like 6:15 after Alex fed her, then woke up an hour or so later and so on.... Then had a little snooze, woke up and had a bath with me at about 9-10pm, got all swaddled up and had her milk...then she settled down real quick and was asleep by 11pm...She woke up a couple of times at about 4:30am, 5:30am and had a little grizzle until we put her paci back in her mouth...but she didn't actually wake for a feed until 7am!! I would be very happy with her doing that more often!! Otherwise she tends to sleep 10-2-6, give or take an hour or two...and it works so much more predictably when we encourage her to be fussy and nom more in the evening....

Anyway, I'm rambling. It sounds a bit silly, but it seems to work for us and goes with the 'routine' that the paediatrician gave us...without us actually really having to try for it, iykwim?

I want to try and find the equiv of infacol over here, because sometimes we just can't get gas out of Evey, still, so she ends up puking... She's not doing it so badly now, but I'd much rather see if we can stop her from doing it quite as often!

I think I might just stick to feeding her on the boob in the morning. I brought her into our bed at 7am this morning and fed her on the boob, then switched sides and whenever she woke up (think it was 10ish) fed her again, then 1pm she had a little feed, but was still hungry...so we got up and she had 4oz of formula and is now having a nap. So next feed (assuming my boobs don't feel horrifically engorged) she'll probably have formula and so on...just see how it goes...I'm trying to think of my boob milk as a supplement atm - I'm getting as much in as possible, but the formula is what is stopping her being hungry most of the time.

Linn, I think part of the issue might be from general anxiety... I've always been this way, even when I had no reason to! I was throwing up in the mornings at my last job, even though I LOVED where I worked. I just lack confidence mostly....I don't think Alex understands quite as much as I'd like him to, because he just gets on with stuff....

BTW, did I post in here that Evey is smiling?... I get so lost She started doing it properly on our anniversary on Saturday... Sorry if I already said that!!

xxxx

 

[emmadrumm77]

D....... Yeah you sort of have to pin them down! Linn's idea is good.

I give him a feed at 5 pm for 15min max. Then I put him on his play gym and chat to him, basically I look a bit of a loony trying to keep him awake! Then I bath him, at 6pm I take his nappy off in the bathroom and let him wiggle there till the bath is run, then I bath him, prob for 5-7mins??? I then take my time to dry him, and get him dressed and ready for bed, when I am done around 6.30/45 I then take him to his bed and feed him with lights out. I don't talk to him from now on. When he us done I swaddle him and leave. Sometimes he wakes 5mins later and I just pop him on boob again (again I don't talk) and he falls asleep instantly.
Hope this helps xxxxx

 

[-Linn-]

So Delilah I will be waiting to hear how long he is... this is how the HV showed me how measure my DD1 back then. Easier then measuring Nathan hmself!! My baby was 55cm at 6 weeks.. And Nathan wasn't he 62cm at birth or something?