Kate McCann releasing a book...

[TattiesMum]

If it is true she died in the apartment & they covered it up, it must have happened earlier in the day & not the evening otherwise how would they cover it up so quickly without their friends seeing, anyone else seeing, or leaving any traces or anything? But then surely they'd have had to hire a car that day & I'm guessing they didn't or that would have been investigated. So manu questions!

Oh I think that the friends (or at least some of them) know full well what happened and helped with the cover up ... after all they were neglecting their children too.

Did no one else in the tapas place notice how much they left to check? They would have to have walked past the staff a fair bit

Oh yes - the staff say that they weren't checking ... it's one of the reasons the police wanted to do a reconstruction.

 

[Tasha]

Kala, they would of been sitting outside, so not gone past anyone. Plus nine adults, one adult at a time leaving wouldnt be noticeable.

I did wonder if the friends would of known. And I also wondered how there were nine adults and none of them thought, leaving our children alone in apartments is not a good idea, oh and listening through the window isnt either.

 

[Samemka]

I read somewhere last night that Maddie wasn't seen by anyone either the night before she died, or from breakfast time. Makes more sense to me she'd have died then because they then had the whole day to remove her body rather than her having died that evening when they say she was snatched. Let's say she did die from falling behind the sofa that night, surely they wouldn't have had time to find her, move her body, and make none of their friends suspicious or other holidaymakers.....there'd be no time! Or if there was time her body would have been found by now, surely!

The lack of a body is the one problem here for me though. Regardless of when she died, if her parents were the ones to move her body, short of taking her out to sea I can't see how they'd find somewhere so quickly where she wouldn't be found!

 

[Jem_x3]

I'm finding it hard to believe that if your child died from an accident you would go THIS far. all the media attention, all the interviews, car stickers, posters, wristbands. How could anyone keep up a lie for so long? and surely they must be grieving like hell. And how would so many other people cover for them?? No matter whether they were "neglecting" their children aswell, surely there must be one of them with a conscience? I'm sorry I don't buy it. I don't know what happened but that's a tad too far-fetched for me.

 

[special_kala]

I guess it depends what kind of parent you are and what your friends are like.

If there is is any truth in the hints of sexual abuse or inappropriate behavior then how much of a concience could they have?

 

[Tasha]

Sam, that was me misunderstanding because she didnt go to the beach with the others, she was actually seen as she was in the creche until 5.30pm.

As for the body, I think what would be said is that they hid her somewhere and then when the dogs were called in they moved her hence why there was the smell of corpse and her dna in the boot of the car hired 24 days after she had gone missing

 

[babybaillie]

Havent read through the whole post to many lol

ive been reading extracts from her book in the paper.

I think they were in the wrong to leave them alone to go for drinks and a meal. I dont know anyone else who would do such a thing. Especially when there apartment was on a road. They made a very big mistake and they are paying the highest price. But its Madeline i feel for. Shes paid for there mistake. I just hope she didnt suffer in anyway.

I think if they need the money to raise funds to find her sell ur home! there in a lovely big house, which we would all love to afford. SO sell that and buy a modest 2/3 bedroom and use the funds from there home. How can they expect ppl to buy a book for there mistake. If they had been normal working class they would have been charged with child neglect. I still cant believe no charges were made against them.

That all said i do hope they find her soon. dead or alive, they need closure. Must be a horrendus thing to live with

 

[Samemka]

I'm finding it hard to believe that if your child died from an accident you would go THIS far. all the media attention, all the interviews, car stickers, posters, wristbands. How could anyone keep up a lie for so long? and surely they must be grieving like hell. And how would so many other people cover for them?? No matter whether they were "neglecting" their children aswell, surely there must be one of them with a conscience? I'm sorry I don't buy it. I don't know what happened but that's a tad too far-fetched for me.

I think for this to happen there must have been more to it than 'just' an accident. I thinkl they must have had something else to hide , & then once the ball had started rolling you can't go back. I don't know if you looked at the 100 reasons why Madeline wasn't abducted but the picture near point 62 - its Kate & Gerry holding a banner of Madeline grinning like cheshire cats - to me, that picture says a hell of a lot. I'm not saying they shouldn't smile but something isn't right there, they look genunely happy!

If you read my first post on this thread I was pro Kate, felt sorry for her & got very annoyed people could be so 'heartless'. Then I read all the things that don't add up, and saw all those questions she refused to answer. And 'they've taken her' - strange reaction IMO if you found your child missing. Kate seemed to know instantly what had happened & that's the problem for me!

 

[kaylynn040485]

As ive already said, i think she died by accident and they covered it up. To those of you who are saying, why go this far ie writing books, going to visit pope etc etc has anyone seen the programme about Tania Head regarding the 9/11 bombing, slightly different i know but that is the extreme. She didnt just pretend she was in the towers and leave it a that, specialists etc said that once they gain a little sympathy etc they begin to crave it and thats why they do more and more to continue it and she took it to the extremes of becoming part of the board of the survivors network and told her story alongside other genuine suvivors. Im not saying thats what has happened here but it is an option, whos to say it didnt start of as an accident that then spiralled into this and all the friends have known and quickly got in too deep and now dont feel they can get out. just a thought kx

 

[LoraLoo]

Sam, that was me misunderstanding because she didnt go to the beach with the others, she was actually seen as she was in the creche until 5.30pm.

As for the body, I think what would be said is that they hid her somewhere and then when the dogs were called in they moved her hence why there was the smell of corpse and her dna in the boot of the car hired 24 days after she had gone missing

I just keep imagining what state her poor little body would have been in after over 3 weeks I wonder where they could have hid her, without her being found. I know this sounds horrible but the body would have smelt really bad by then too,must have been somewhere really remote. Or maybe they were hoping someone WOULD find her in those 3 weeks, and to pass it off as the abductor leaving her body there? So many possibilities

 

[Jem_x3]

Fair enough if Kate and Gerry *did* have something to do with it, and they didn't give a flying monkey and grinned and have caused all this for absolutely nothing but money and fame.. but I cannot buy that 9 other adults would help cover it up. No way. Out of 9 people one of them must actually be stable and have a conscience. One of them would of blabbed.

 

[Jem_x3]

Also, unfortunately even when tragedy strikes or we're grieving sometimes we do smile. Sometimes we do feel happy.. I wouldn't take them grinning as anything other than it was a nice day or they were thinking of nice memories about Madeleine. I hate when people are like "omg they're smiling - guilty!". All they'd be guilty of is being human

 

[Tasha]

Sam when was that photo taken? My baby died, in obviously very different circumstances, but it was just less than four weeks ago now, and yes I have laughed, I probably do look happy to the outside world and I am desperate to feel more, but it is well known that there is usually shock and numbness for the first six to twelve weeks.

Kaylynn I have never heard about her before, that is shocking.

Lora I guess in his bag they wouldnt of had to see her, but the smell you are right about. I think it was said that putting her in sand would of mummified her to some degree, I dont know though

 

[Tasha]

Fair enough if Kate and Gerry *did* have something to do with it, and they didn't give a flying monkey and grinned and have caused all this for absolutely nothing but money and fame.. but I cannot buy that 9 other adults would help cover it up. No way. Out of 9 people one of them must actually be stable and have a conscience. One of them would of blabbed.

I am just throwing theories around cos obviously have no idea, but maybe it wasnt all nine of them that knew, and again once you start lying it is pretty hard to stop because they would be in a massive amount of trouble too.

 

[LoraLoo]

Sam when was that photo taken? My baby died, in obviously very different circumstances, but it was just less than four weeks ago now, and yes I have laughed, I probably do look happy to the outside world and I am desperate to feel more, but it is well known that there is usually shock and numbness for the first six to twelve weeks.

Kaylynn I have never heard about her before, that is shocking.

Lora I guess in his bag they wouldnt of had to see her, but the smell you are right about. I think it was said that putting her in sand would of mummified her to some degree, I dont know though

I didnt smile for weeks and weeks, i certainly couldnt have gone and faced a camera and smiled for it, i didnt want anyone near me. They were seen smiling 10 days later on Maddies birthday? I just cried and cried on Eve's

 

[LoraLoo]

Fair enough if Kate and Gerry *did* have something to do with it, and they didn't give a flying monkey and grinned and have caused all this for absolutely nothing but money and fame.. but I cannot buy that 9 other adults would help cover it up. No way. Out of 9 people one of them must actually be stable and have a conscience. One of them would of blabbed.

I am just throwing theories around cos obviously have no idea, but maybe it wasnt all nine of them that knew, and again once you start lying it is pretty hard to stop because they would be in a massive amount of trouble too.

Plus if it was one of your friends, you would automatically think that they were innocent

 

[TattiesMum]

I'm finding it hard to believe that if your child died from an accident you would go THIS far. all the media attention, all the interviews, car stickers, posters, wristbands. How could anyone keep up a lie for so long? and surely they must be grieving like hell. And how would so many other people cover for them?? No matter whether they were "neglecting" their children aswell, surely there must be one of them with a conscience? I'm sorry I don't buy it. I don't know what happened but that's a tad too far-fetched for me.

I don't know ... I can kind of understand their friends covering for them - especially if it was an accident which could have happened to any one of their children because they were all leaving them alone

If there wasn't any actual 'foul play' involved in her death then I suppose they could all see it as protecting their friends who hadn't actually done anything 'wrong'. Presumably they are all OK with this level of child neglect, so they wouldn't see anything wrong in it - just that it was a tragic accident that the McCanns didn't deserve to be punished any further for.

As for the TV interviews etc ... say they found her dead, panicked, moved her body and then reported her as being abducted - it would have been pretty difficult to then turn round a couple of days later and say "sorry we made it all up - this is what really happened" ... that's what I mean by snowballed - once the ball was rolling they really had no option but to carry on with it ... not just because of the media and strangers but also because of their own families.

 

[Tasha]

That is my point though Lora, everyone grieves differently you were not wrong for crying, and I hope I am not wrong in feeling so very numb that yes I do laugh, my emotions are extreme right now, I can be sobbing one moment and the very next laughing, but that laughter isnt just normal it is verging on hysteria, I cant control my emotions though and most of the time I feel nothing.

At just ten dates later it is very possible that they are numb, in shock etc. Eve's birthday was almost a year later so you wouldnt of been.

 

[TattiesMum]

Sam when was that photo taken? My baby died, in obviously very different circumstances, but it was just less than four weeks ago now, and yes I have laughed, I probably do look happy to the outside world and I am desperate to feel more, but it is well known that there is usually shock and numbness for the first six to twelve weeks.

Kaylynn I have never heard about her before, that is shocking.

Lora I guess in his bag they wouldnt of had to see her, but the smell you are right about. I think it was said that putting her in sand would of mummified her to some degree, I dont know though

I didnt smile for weeks and weeks, i certainly couldnt have gone and faced a camera and smiled for it, i didnt want anyone near me. They were seen smiling 10 days later on Maddies birthday? I just cried and cried on Eve's

I find those pictures of them on her birthday really hard to take too ... they look like they've just got married or something

 

[kaylynn040485]

yes but there is also the other side of the coin - what if the 9 friends genuinely believe them and know nothing...of course you would back them up if they had you completely fooled. The police have said the bed was padded with a pillow, now what if that had been the case all night and when the friends checked they just seen the lump in the bed and assumed it was maddie sleeping. They were maybe none the wiser Kx