Kate McCann releasing a book...

[indy and lara]

Dont suppose anyone on heres old enough to remember the baby listening service they used to have had holiday camps such as Pontins in the 80's - admittedly its not the sort of thing you do in this day and age, but people used to leave their babies in the room and go and watch some entertainment whilst someone walked around the camp listening out for babies and then announce on a loud speaker to the parents if they needed to go back. How times have changed. I wonder if they trusted the holiday facility so much and felt safe there that they felt they could leave them, an unlocked apartment? really??
There was a message in the reception which indicated to the staff that there were children in the apartment, I guess this is how the information got into the wrong hands.
I never knew that their story had been judged so harshly. I have never really followed it, i can understand why she is never going to give up, it must be killing them inside.

Yes I remember these. Many of the very upmarket family friendly hotels in the UK still offer this service too. Like Tattie's mum I totally agree that child abduction is not on the up but our awareness of it is so much more. My husband talks of when he used to leave home at about 9 am and return at lunch. His mum had no idea where he was. He would be about 8. He lived rurally and he and his pals would be out down the glen and in the old mine at the bottom Also, there was the time a child ran out the classroom in his school and the teacher sent him and his pal to look for them, again in the glen. It was just different when I was a kid. It wasn't safer necessarily but people gave teir kids a lot more freedom.

 

[Samemka]

I dont know a huge amount about the dogs but I can bet you that when they said about the doors being locked they wanted the public, media and police to believe they were stupid enough to go out and leave their door unlocked in their apartment, then when it got a little bit too much they decided to tell the truth.

Its true that the McCanns havent helped matters with lying but I suppose under pressure from what had huge media coverage from the very start would maybe thats the reasons they lied and when the british public get wind of lies they automatically think they had something to do with it. Maybe their lies were to stop them from SS getting involved, who knows. I just dont believe they had anything to do with her dissapearance.

I agree with you about the door issue. Have you seen the link to 100 reasons why Madeline wasn't abducted - its in this thread somewhere, on my phone or I'd look, but the issues raised by that page are very 'interesting'.....I cannot for the life of me understand not answering all those questions Kate refused. It makes no sense to me!

 

[Samemka]

Thanks Tasha!

Why would they make her ward of court then? I don't understand that....

Does anyome know if the McCanns have 'slipped up' in anything they have said - I don't mean in the first instance but after say a year when she went missing? If I was covering something up there's no wau I could keep it going!!

 

[TattiesMum]

TattiesMum, why have they trademarked her name?? And what does ward of court mean?

I agree about the dogs. How did the Mccanns explain this??

If she did die in the apartment though, is it assumed it must have been some form of accidental overdose....ie something with no blood/forensic evidence??

They trademarked her name so that they could sell products (like the wristbands and posters) and no-one else could use the name or image to distribute the same stuff for free.

https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/09/cashing-in-on-madeleines-name-fund.html

The belief of the Portuguese Police is that Madeleine was climbing on the back of the sofa in the apartment, fell and died (probably from a head injury) ... the 'blood' dog did indicate behind the sofa and so did the cadaver dog (it takes about 30 minutes from the time of death for cadaver odour to develop) ... but the area had been thoroughly cleaned and the minute traces of blood they got from under the floor tiles were too contaminated to be able to get DNA from.

There are all sorts of wierd excuses from the McCanns about the dogs - some of them would be quite laughable if it wasn't so sad

 

[LoraLoo]

TattiesMum, why have they trademarked her name?? And what does ward of court mean?

I agree about the dogs. How did the Mccanns explain this??

If she did die in the apartment though, is it assumed it must have been some form of accidental overdose....ie something with no blood/forensic evidence??

They trademarked her name so that they could sell products (like the wristbands and posters) and no-one else could use the name or image to distribute the same stuff for free.

https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/09/cashing-in-on-madeleines-name-fund.html

The belief of the Portuguese Police is that Madeleine was climbing on the back of the sofa in the apartment, fell and died (probably from a head injury) ... the 'blood' dog did indicate behind the sofa and so did the cadaver dog (it takes about 30 minutes from the time of death for cadaver odour to develop) ... but the area had been thoroughly cleaned and the minute traces of blood they got from under the floor tiles were too contaminated to be able to get DNA from.

There are all sorts of wierd excuses from the McCanns about the dogs - some of them would be quite laughable if it wasn't so sad

But if she did just fall and bang her head and die why would they not just come clean? It would have been an accident, accidents happen, why go to the extent of the whole abduction thing? xx

 

[Tasha]

They trademarked her name so that they could sell products (like the wristbands and posters) and no-one else could use the name or image to distribute the same stuff for free.

https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/09/cashing-in-on-madeleines-name-fund.html

The belief of the Portuguese Police is that Madeleine was climbing on the back of the sofa in the apartment, fell and died (probably from a head injury) ... the 'blood' dog did indicate behind the sofa and so did the cadaver dog (it takes about 30 minutes from the time of death for cadaver odour to develop) ... but the area had been thoroughly cleaned and the minute traces of blood they got from under the floor tiles were too contaminated to be able to get DNA from.

There are all sorts of wierd excuses from the McCanns about the dogs - some of them would be quite laughable if it wasn't so sad

Oh, that makes sense and then they hid it all because they knew that they would be held accountable to some degree because of leaving them. 30 minutes isnt long, but shows that they werent checking every 15 minutes like was said.

 

[special_kala]

TattiesMum, why have they trademarked her name?? And what does ward of court mean?

I agree about the dogs. How did the Mccanns explain this??

If she did die in the apartment though, is it assumed it must have been some form of accidental overdose....ie something with no blood/forensic evidence??

They trademarked her name so that they could sell products (like the wristbands and posters) and no-one else could use the name or image to distribute the same stuff for free.

https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/09/cashing-in-on-madeleines-name-fund.html

The belief of the Portuguese Police is that Madeleine was climbing on the back of the sofa in the apartment, fell and died (probably from a head injury) ... the 'blood' dog did indicate behind the sofa and so did the cadaver dog (it takes about 30 minutes from the time of death for cadaver odour to develop) ... but the area had been thoroughly cleaned and the minute traces of blood they got from under the floor tiles were too contaminated to be able to get DNA from.

There are all sorts of wierd excuses from the McCanns about the dogs - some of them would be quite laughable if it wasn't so sad

That makes alot of sense to me

 

[Tasha]

But if she did just fall and bang her head and die why would they not just come clean? It would have been an accident, accidents happen, why go to the extent of the whole abduction thing? xx

Because they would end up in prison for neglect, then their twins may of been taken from them, they probably though oh shit we have just lost one daughter we cant lose them two as well, and our career's, our home, everything.

 

[Samemka]

I wonder if they thought they'd lose their other 2 children too if they came clean, because her death came about because they left her unattended?

But saying that...if it was a genuine accident, I can't imagine it going through their head to not just come clean Why would you even want to cover it up? I know that's what you asked initially but I can't believe they would make up an abduction & hide her body because they were scared of losing their twins.......it must be more torturous to front this search for her knowing what happened! And how could you dump your childs body?

 

[special_kala]

TattiesMum, why have they trademarked her name?? And what does ward of court mean?

I agree about the dogs. How did the Mccanns explain this??

If she did die in the apartment though, is it assumed it must have been some form of accidental overdose....ie something with no blood/forensic evidence??

They trademarked her name so that they could sell products (like the wristbands and posters) and no-one else could use the name or image to distribute the same stuff for free.

https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/09/cashing-in-on-madeleines-name-fund.html

The belief of the Portuguese Police is that Madeleine was climbing on the back of the sofa in the apartment, fell and died (probably from a head injury) ... the 'blood' dog did indicate behind the sofa and so did the cadaver dog (it takes about 30 minutes from the time of death for cadaver odour to develop) ... but the area had been thoroughly cleaned and the minute traces of blood they got from under the floor tiles were too contaminated to be able to get DNA from.

There are all sorts of wierd excuses from the McCanns about the dogs - some of them would be quite laughable if it wasn't so sad

But if she did just fall and bang her head and die why would they not just come clean? It would have been an accident, accidents happen, why go to the extent of the whole abduction thing? xx

Panic maybe or if there were any other signs of abuse that would come up in a postmortem or traces of drugs in her system

 

[LoraLoo]

But if she did just fall and bang her head and die why would they not just come clean? It would have been an accident, accidents happen, why go to the extent of the whole abduction thing? xx

Because they would end up in prison for neglect, then their twins may of been taken from them, they probably though oh shit we have just lost one daughter we cant lose them two as well, and our career's, our home, everything.

But they havent ended up in prison have they, even admitting they left them xx

 

[TattiesMum]

But if she did just fall and bang her head and die why would they not just come clean? It would have been an accident, accidents happen, why go to the extent of the whole abduction thing? xx

Because they would end up in prison for neglect, then their twins may of been taken from them, they probably though oh shit we have just lost one daughter we cant lose them too as well as our career's, our home, everything.

That's what the Portuguese Police think - it started as a panic reaction and just snowballed out of control ... once you've moved and hidden the body then you're kind of committed

 

[Samemka]

Tattiesmum - when you say the room had been cleaned, how long after she went missing was this? Who cleaned it?

 

[LoraLoo]

TattiesMum, why have they trademarked her name?? And what does ward of court mean?

I agree about the dogs. How did the Mccanns explain this??

If she did die in the apartment though, is it assumed it must have been some form of accidental overdose....ie something with no blood/forensic evidence??

They trademarked her name so that they could sell products (like the wristbands and posters) and no-one else could use the name or image to distribute the same stuff for free.

https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/09/cashing-in-on-madeleines-name-fund.html

The belief of the Portuguese Police is that Madeleine was climbing on the back of the sofa in the apartment, fell and died (probably from a head injury) ... the 'blood' dog did indicate behind the sofa and so did the cadaver dog (it takes about 30 minutes from the time of death for cadaver odour to develop) ... but the area had been thoroughly cleaned and the minute traces of blood they got from under the floor tiles were too contaminated to be able to get DNA from.

There are all sorts of wierd excuses from the McCanns about the dogs - some of them would be quite laughable if it wasn't so sad

But if she did just fall and bang her head and die why would they not just come clean? It would have been an accident, accidents happen, why go to the extent of the whole abduction thing? xx

Panic maybe or if there were any other signs of abuse that would come up in a postmortem or traces of drugs in her system

Thats a good point, and I guess if they had been given sedatives, they would be more sleepy/drowsy and more likely to have an accident/fall. If we can see all this, why couldnt they? Or why did they choose to ignore it, should I say?

 

[Tasha]

No they havent Lora, but some say that is because of pressure from the UK, but that pressure may not of happened if there was a body. Plus they wouldnt of known that they would of been put in prison.

Tattie's Mum, I agree with the police if it happened that way, then it does make sense why they would do all those things.

 

[Samemka]

If it is true she died in the apartment & they covered it up, it must have happened earlier in the day & not the evening otherwise how would they cover it up so quickly without their friends seeing, anyone else seeing, or leaving any traces or anything? But then surely they'd have had to hire a car that day & I'm guessing they didn't or that would have been investigated. So manu questions!

 

[special_kala]

I guess while we can all speculate the police need actual proof which they dont have

 

[TattiesMum]

But they havent ended up in prison have they, even admitting they left them xx

No ... but they would have done (and still would) IF there was proof that she had 'come to harm'

As it is the police can't prove that they weren't checking every 15 minutes, so can't prove reckless endangerment (or the Portuguese equivalent) and there is no body ... this is why the McCanns keep insisting that "there is no proof that Madeleine has come to any harm"

 

[Tasha]

If it is true she died in the apartment & they covered it up, it must have happened earlier in the day & not the evening otherwise how would they cover it up so quickly without their friends seeing, anyone else seeing, or leaving any traces or anything? But then surely they'd have had to hire a car that day & I'm guessing they didn't or that would have been investigated. So manu questions!

Not neccessarily, yes to it happening earlier than they say but say at 6.30pm Gerry went out with his tennis bag then there would be no need for a car or anything, and Kate could of cleaned the apartment whilst he was out.

 

[special_kala]

Did no one else in the tapas place notice how much they left to check? They would have to have walked past the staff a fair bit