Kate McCann releasing a book...

[TattiesMum]

Just been reading through all of this thread... how do you know how much of this is true? How would some random person know that Gerry had deleted the history from his phone for example?

I can't really take any of that into account personally, even the sacked police officer (or the officer who was taken off the case), everything is biased against them.

Im not standing up for them at all and Im certainly not saying they're in the right but I don't think a lot of stuff you find online can be trusted

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I'd agree with you Linzi, except that it isn't some random person saying it ... it's in the police investigation files which were made public after the case had been shelved. Those police files contain memo's etc from British police too, who would have had no vested interest in 'clearing up' the case by making stuff up or framing anyone

For me though it's the dogs that swing it ... even if my child had just vanished I would be extremely disturbed by what the dogs indicated - I wouldn't just dismiss it

 

[Tasha]

Yes, exactly that TM. If my child had been abducted and then the smell of corpse was found in the apartment where she last was known to be, then I would be pretty distraught, thinking that maybe someone had harmed her before even taking her.

 

[TattiesMum]

as for the smell of death its oviously could be mixed up with other smells as the mccans are still free i really dont think a dog trained to smell something is enough eveidence to prove anything and oviously others must not either else the case would be open


if they really though it was them why did they left four other familys stay in that room before they sealed it of and let fornesics in

im sorry girls but you can say what you want but i just dont buy it if its not there in black and white then im not intrested as i dont belive theres enough evidence and i dont think ill change my mind until a bodies found and its proved they were involded

The 'smell of death' is caused by a chemical called cadaverine and this dog is trained to pick up specifically on human cadaverine ... just as drugs dogs, explosives dogs etc are trained to pick up the specific smells they are required to look for

This particular dog has never been wrong before or since, so for me it's stretching credulity beyond it's limits to believe that he was wrong in every single instance on that one trip to Portugal

As for the apartment - no-one stayed there after the McCanns, so I'm not sure where that idea has come from . It was sealed until forensics had completely finished with it and then it was sold by it's owners (it was rented by Mark Warner but not owned by them).

 

[lesleyann]

the apartment has not yet been sold, noone will buy it, i read this the other day that its just sat empty and has been all these years

 

[Tasha]

Thanks for clearing that up TM, because I was wondering how any family could stay there knowing that either a child had been abducted or died there.

Oh and alongside my normal nightmares, I have been having dreams about Madeleine, even when awake if the room is dark I see her little face. I just feel so very sad for her

 

[CRWx]

just seen Kate & Gerry talking about it again, she keeps saying theres no evidence that shows shes come to harm! Bless Madeleine though. Today would of been her 8th Birthday x

 

[hayley x]

I havent read the rest of the thread but have thought, why dont they get a physic involved. I know its not for everyone but I remember reading a book for Holly Wells written by her dad, and in it talked about the physic and how accurate she was with describing areas to do with her dissapearance, its been so long since I read it but it was so accurate iykwim

 

[TattiesMum]

Thanks for clearing that up TM, because I was wondering how any family could stay there knowing that either a child had been abducted or died there.

Oh and alongside my normal nightmares, I have been having dreams about Madeleine, even when awake if the room is dark I see her little face. I just feel so very sad for her

I think that the thing to bear in mind Tash is that if things happened the way we think that they did then she didn't suffer at all ... she climbed, fell, hit her head and knew nothing more It is sad but it's so much better than what might have happened to her if she really had been abducted

 

[Tasha]

You are right TM, it is just so sad. Also I find it really difficult to get my head around the fact that she doesnt get a proper burial, I know that is mostly for the people left behind but every person deserves respect

 

[Laura2919]

I just dont see why they would drag it all back up if they were hiding something.. They wouldnt try so hard

 

[sophxx]

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[Samemka]

Any evidence which would have linked them to the case is long gone. If it couldn't be found at the time, it won't be found now. The McCanns know this...........hense 'there is no EVIDENCE.....'. What better way to 'prove' you are innocent than to ask for the case re-opened eh? It won't find you guilty....so you must be innocent.

They harp on about wanting the case re opened but all they have to do is say the word & the Portugeuse authorities would.

The reason they talk of wanting it re opened is, for the same reason as the book......to reignite interest. They're in a situation where most people believe she was abducted. My OH has no clue there are so many inconsistancies & lies surrounding their case. And they need interest to keep their fund going, the fund which has helped them pay their mortgage & legal fees.

 

[Samemka]

Soph, you keep saying you won't buy it til there's evidence, or a body. That's fine. You dismiss the dogs, that's fine.

There IS no evidence of an abduction AT ALL.....when there is a hell of a lot more evidence pointing to foul play, yet you believe she was abducted. Why?

 

[sophxx]

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[Boothh]

I don't want to get too involved in this thread because last time really read up on the McCann case I did myself in, just haven't seen this on here so fr. It puts a very worrying spin on the whole thing and us not easy reading at all, please not for the faint hearted. It gives me horrible images. This isn't the only place iv seen it but its the most concise article iv seen. KG has given a few interviews,
https://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/2009/06/chapter-9.html
Also worth noting is the link between the McCanns and the Freemasons - bearing in mind a major rule of masonry is

HANDBOOK OF MASONRY
You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons...and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.

Omg!!! I never thought of it like that it makes total sense now! So that's why they have access to top lawyers, Gordon brown, spindoctors etc etc! Right I'm convinced now

 

[sophxx]

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[anna matronic]

They are sociopaths.

I wanted to trow things at my TV when they were on Lorraine!

 

[Samemka]

Soph, why do you think the McCanns have been so dismissive of the dogs?

Surely, if they weren't involved, they'd be horrified to find the scent of death behind the sofa? On the cuddle cat?

But they can't be can they, because it was also found in the hire care. So they have to dismiss it all.

You're right, the dogs evidence won't stand alone in court. But there comes a point when common sense alone says, this is not right.

You don't have to believe or accept something else happened different to the official story, but your explanation that 'people changing their stories is normal' is just ignoring the extent to which their stories change. Explain to me then, how Kate is on tape saying she NEVER searched for Maddies body, yet says she did in her book? Are you saying she just forgot whether she was looking for her daughters corpse?

 

[Tasha]

Soph is it a case that you dont believe anything then/dont know what to believe? Because the only evidence that Madeleine was abducted is that she wasnt there, in the same way the only solid evidence (in your eyes) that she died is she wasnt there

 

[Samemka]

becuase theres not enough concerte eveidence for me to belive that if there was they would have been chargeda dog alone is not enough neither is theres no sign of abduction as theres other cases the same.

if i was there lawyer you could pull the case apart as theres not enough concerte evidence espically when it took 13 weeks for fornesics to go in

as for the dogs yeh they might have picked a cent up but whos to say it was hers? whos to say it wasnt planted there its not enough to make me belive it was them involded and it wouldnt stand up in a court room just like the dna would and has already been proved when it had the omar bombing trail thrown out even thoiugh there was alot more soild evidence.

So maybe she just flew away then!

It's really starting to get on my wick how you keep saying 'the evidence would get thrown out'.

We know.

No one here has called for them to be tried in court based on the fact the dogs were alerted to a smell. Nor have they said the McCanns must be guilty because their stories change. But there comes a point when, in the lack of ANY evidence for an abduction, you have to accept that the little peices of evidence there ARE towards foul play are a lot more likely than some phantom abduction!

If you don't want too, fine. But accept there are people who want to make that judgement.