Kate McCann releasing a book...

[binxyboo]

did anyone see the Crimewatch Special on BBC1 last night.
It was about murderers, but had loads of footage and insight into those that go on TV appealing to find their loved ones killers, when they are the ones that are guilty.
It just made me think of the McCanns.
(not that I think they murdered her, but I do think she died in an accident and they are covering up for leaving their children unnattended)

 

[Samemka]

There's been something bothering me for a while about peoples attitudes towards the McCanns. I don't mean on here, but in general day to day life.

Why on earth COULDN'T the McCanns 'do that'? Do any of us know them? One of my friends basically looked at me as if to say 'You horrible person for thinking that, burn it hell!' (lol) when I mentioned my thoughts on this.....why exactly is it SO bad to not believe that Madeleine McCann WASN'T abducted? It's not like there is one ounce of evidence to suggest she was. Nada, nothing.

Why does it make you a 'better, nicer person' to believe there story than to question it?

It's made out like because they SAY their daughter was taken, spend 4 years 'looking for her' (don't get me started on that, lol), give interviews & tell us what happened, that MUST be the case.

Is it because they're Doctors? I doubt people are that naive. I mean....Harold Shipman anyone?!

Sometimes I get the impression that, for reasons I just can't get my head around, it's just 'accepted' that's what happened. Someone abducted her, flattened themselves through shutters holding a child......I'm sorry, but the supposed story about what happened is as unbelievable (if not more!) as any suggestion that the parents were involved!

People DO do terrible things. We do not know the McCanns. What we DO know, does not paint a nice picture, IMO. I'm not talking about speculation, when you take it down to bare facts (of which there are few), these parents, on several occasions, left three children under 3 in a forgeign hotel room, out of sight. When their daughter cried for 75 minutes the previous night, they STILL repeated their actions.

The McCanns would not be the first parents to be involved in their childs disappearance. But the way it's talked about is like they would be, almost like they are royalty and anyone who questions them is just heartless because, 'they wouldn't do that'.

We don't know what 'they' are capable of either way.

They have a burning desire to blame anyone but themselves. They struggle to answer the question of whether they were wrong to leave her. She's missing, and they struggle to answer the question? If it wasn't such a serious matter with a missing child at the heart of it, it would be laughable!

 

[moomin_troll]

i agree with everything uve just said saml1.

it gets on my nerves when people feel sorry for them n make out that im being horrible for not believing them.

so many parents actualy plan to kill a child so why cant it be the same for them.

i cant stand the sight of them, they are both up their own arses and even if they had nothing to do with her dissapearence they still need to stand up and say they were wrong for leaving their children alone....its not normal for them to think their actions werent wrong

 

[TattiesMum]

It's true lots of guilty people get off.

I dunno I'm not saying they definitely didn't do it, but I don't really think its that plausible. Why would you write a book about it and drum up more interest?

I think it goes deeper than money - I'm just going to copy and paste the reply I made to another poster on another site who asked the same question

The Big Lie is a propoganda technique. The expression was coined by Hitler, in Mein Kampf where he describes a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

Joseph Goebbels later expanded on this concept by describing (I'm paraphrasing here) "[ it ] does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. It follows the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. Then keep up the lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous"

The technique is commonly and succinctly boiled down to “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, then people will eventually come to believe it."

 

[Reedy]

It's true lots of guilty people get off.

I dunno I'm not saying they definitely didn't do it, but I don't really think its that plausible. Why would you write a book about it and drum up more interest?

I think it goes deeper than money - I'm just going to copy and paste the reply I made to another poster on another site who asked the same question

The Big Lie is a propoganda technique. The expression was coined by Hitler, in Mein Kampf where he describes a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

Joseph Goebbels later expanded on this concept by describing (I'm paraphrasing here) "[ it ] does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. It follows the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. Then keep up the lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous"

The technique is commonly and succinctly boiled down to “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, then people will eventually come to believe it."

You end up starting to believe it yourself too which is what I think the McCanns (Kate especially) have done x

 

[TattiesMum]

There's been something bothering me for a while about peoples attitudes towards the McCanns. I don't mean on here, but in general day to day life.

Why on earth COULDN'T the McCanns 'do that'? Do any of us know them? One of my friends basically looked at me as if to say 'You horrible person for thinking that, burn it hell!' (lol) when I mentioned my thoughts on this.....why exactly is it SO bad to not believe that Madeleine McCann WASN'T abducted? It's not like there is one ounce of evidence to suggest she was. Nada, nothing.

Why does it make you a 'better, nicer person' to believe there story than to question it?

It's made out like because they SAY their daughter was taken, spend 4 years 'looking for her' (don't get me started on that, lol), give interviews & tell us what happened, that MUST be the case.

Is it because they're Doctors? I doubt people are that naive. I mean....Harold Shipman anyone?!

Sometimes I get the impression that, for reasons I just can't get my head around, it's just 'accepted' that's what happened. Someone abducted her, flattened themselves through shutters holding a child......I'm sorry, but the supposed story about what happened is as unbelievable (if not more!) as any suggestion that the parents were involved!

People DO do terrible things. We do not know the McCanns. What we DO know, does not paint a nice picture, IMO. I'm not talking about speculation, when you take it down to bare facts (of which there are few), these parents, on several occasions, left three children under 3 in a forgeign hotel room, out of sight. When their daughter cried for 75 minutes the previous night, they STILL repeated their actions.

The McCanns would not be the first parents to be involved in their childs disappearance. But the way it's talked about is like they would be, almost like they are royalty and anyone who questions them is just heartless because, 'they wouldn't do that'.

We don't know what 'they' are capable of either way.

They have a burning desire to blame anyone but themselves. They struggle to answer the question of whether they were wrong to leave her. She's missing, and they struggle to answer the question? If it wasn't such a serious matter with a missing child at the heart of it, it would be laughable!

We went to a family function a couple of weekends ago and Kaylum was getting tired and ratty after a long day bless him.

As we were staying in the hotel where the function was my elder sister suggested that Tattie put him down for a nap, come back downstairs and check him occasionally

I just looked at her and said "We're not the McCanns you know" and took him off for a nap while I read a book in the ensuite. The look I had from my sister had to be seen to be believed

I have a friend who worked with Dennis Neilson for years ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Nilsen ) and found him to be a polite, quiet ordinary person ... she actually knew him but obviously didn't iykwim ...

Yet people who have never even met the McCanns are happy to believe that they know them well enough to be able to judge what they would and wouldn't do We hear it all the time when people are arrested or charged with terrible crimes "Oh he/she was a lovely man, I'd never have believed he could do something like this", "I've known him for years, I just can't believe it!" and so on.

We all know this ... we remember Tracey Matthews sobbing on TV and Ian Huntly being all innocent and helpful - in our hearts and minds we must surely realise that we can never truly know someone else and what they are capable of, even if we share our lives with them Yet when it comes to the McCanns all that seems to be irrelevant to some people and I really can't get my head round that attitude

 

[AppleBlossom]

I think Sam, most people will not have read up on the things we have. All they will have seen are all the tv appeals etc and thought "Those poor people" which is not naive at all imo because they play a very good game and if you hadn't read the things we have and you weren't of a suspicious mind like we are then it would be easy for you to be sucked in by them. I mean, I've read the stuff and I've believed it was them from the beginning yet when I watched them on the Late Late Show, even I found myself getting drawn in and almost feel sorry for them. For the people who don't appreciate anyone who speculates or doubts the McCann's, it will be based on the above probably along with the fact that they don't want to believe a parent is capable of such things, which we know is untrue as plenty of parents have done terrible and unspeakable things to their children (Baby P as an example) and the fact that nobody wants to admit the possibility that Madeleine isn't alive. In a way I find it odd. If somebody said to me "Would you rather a little girl had died tragically but instantly and her parents covered it up to protect themselves or that a little girl was snatched from her bed by a stranger in a foreign country and was/is being subject to allsorts if horrific things" (RE sex trafficking etc) then I'm afraid I would choose the former. The idea of Madeleine being abused, frightened and alone away from her mummy and daddy is far far worse than any idea that she may have died quickly and painlessly from falling off an apartment couch. Maybe that's just me though

 

[3rdtimelucky]

I also agree with everything saml1 has said!

I went out for dinner the other night with my mam and 3 aunts, and the topic of the mc cann's came up as they had been on irish television the previous night! I have always from day one thought they were an odd couple and nothing about their story added up. So anyway I voiced my opinion and the 4 of them looked at me like I was the wicked witch of the west. Seriously They looked at me like I was stone mad for thinking such a thing.
I tried to explain my thoughts and like you saml1 tried to get across that there wasnt a single shred of evidence to suggest she had been abducted, but my argument got me nowhere, they continued to look at me like I was mad !!!

I dunno , but I too am not of the opinion that we should just swallow their story just because they said this is what happened, now dont ask any questions

 

[moomin_troll]

weve just got back from ibiza and my mum expected me to leave zane alone in our room while he was sleeping and go to her room...i to said my name isnt McCann u no as if im going to leave zane alone.

she also looks at me like im horrible because i wont leave zane alone sleeping in her car

 

[TattiesMum]

I think Sam, most people will not have read up on the things we have. All they will have seen are all the tv appeals etc and thought "Those poor people" which is not naive at all imo because they play a very good game and if you hadn't read the things we have and you weren't of a suspicious mind like we are then it would be easy for you to be sucked in by them. I mean, I've read the stuff and I've believed it was them from the beginning yet when I watched them on the Late Late Show, even I found myself getting drawn in and almost feel sorry for them.

I know what you mean Bex ... even knowing all that I do about this case I find myself getting sucked in by them when I watch things like the Late Late Show ... I find I have to keep reminding myself of the known facts

 

[DanielleM]

I think if they released that documentary of that Amiral guy then the opinions of people in this country would change dramatically, I know mine did!! I wonder what the opinion is of the Portuguese people who have obviously been allowed to watch the documentary and read that book he wrote!! I now understand why the McCanns went to so much trouble to prevent them being released over here in English, as it totally contradicts their story!! x

 

[Samemka]

I think Sam, most people will not have read up on the things we have. All they will have seen are all the tv appeals etc and thought "Those poor people" which is not naive at all imo because they play a very good game and if you hadn't read the things we have and you weren't of a suspicious mind like we are then it would be easy for you to be sucked in by them. I mean, I've read the stuff and I've believed it was them from the beginning yet when I watched them on the Late Late Show, even I found myself getting drawn in and almost feel sorry for them. For the people who don't appreciate anyone who speculates or doubts the McCann's, it will be based on the above probably along with the fact that they don't want to believe a parent is capable of such things, which we know is untrue as plenty of parents have done terrible and unspeakable things to their children (Baby P as an example) and the fact that nobody wants to admit the possibility that Madeleine isn't alive. In a way I find it odd. If somebody said to me "Would you rather a little girl had died tragically but instantly and her parents covered it up to protect themselves or that a little girl was snatched from her bed by a stranger in a foreign country and was/is being subject to allsorts if horrific things" (RE sex trafficking etc) then I'm afraid I would choose the former. The idea of Madeleine being abused, frightened and alone away from her mummy and daddy is far far worse than any idea that she may have died quickly and painlessly from falling off an apartment couch. Maybe that's just me though

Yep, you're right. It's very frustrating the things that money & lawyers can hide (at the least, the documentary being released in the UK which would make a lot of people consider their views on the subject differently). I suppose though, this is nothing new......it goes on all the time, so much so we won't have a clue what's going on.

Does anyone know who would be reponsible for getting the documentary banned in the UK? The McCanns lawyers or is it down to the broadcasters or what? Just wondering why it was banned, free speech & all that.....it's not like it's that 'out there' considering the only evidence for an abduction comes from Jane 'wonder how many different imaginary people I can describe' Tanner!

 

[Cloberella]

I think Sam, most people will not have read up on the things we have. All they will have seen are all the tv appeals etc and thought "Those poor people" which is not naive at all imo because they play a very good game and if you hadn't read the things we have and you weren't of a suspicious mind like we are then it would be easy for you to be sucked in by them. I mean, I've read the stuff and I've believed it was them from the beginning yet when I watched them on the Late Late Show, even I found myself getting drawn in and almost feel sorry for them. For the people who don't appreciate anyone who speculates or doubts the McCann's, it will be based on the above probably along with the fact that they don't want to believe a parent is capable of such things, which we know is untrue as plenty of parents have done terrible and unspeakable things to their children (Baby P as an example) and the fact that nobody wants to admit the possibility that Madeleine isn't alive. In a way I find it odd. If somebody said to me "Would you rather a little girl had died tragically but instantly and her parents covered it up to protect themselves or that a little girl was snatched from her bed by a stranger in a foreign country and was/is being subject to allsorts if horrific things" (RE sex trafficking etc) then I'm afraid I would choose the former. The idea of Madeleine being abused, frightened and alone away from her mummy and daddy is far far worse than any idea that she may have died quickly and painlessly from falling off an apartment couch. Maybe that's just me though

Yep, you're right. It's very frustrating the things that money & lawyers can hide (at the least, the documentary being released in the UK which would make a lot of people consider their views on the subject differently). I suppose though, this is nothing new......it goes on all the time, so much so we won't have a clue what's going on.

Does anyone know who would be reponsible for getting the documentary banned in the UK? The McCanns lawyers or is it down to the broadcasters or what? Just wondering why it was banned, free speech & all that.....it's not like it's that 'out there' considering the only evidence for an abduction comes from Jane 'wonder how many different imaginary people I can describe' Tanner!

I think it hasn't been shown because there is a risk the Mccanns will sue, and they also appear to have a lot of high up friends which probably helps.

 

[Tasha]

I think people want to believe them as well, no one wants to think parents are capable of hiding an accidental death, especially people who are parents themselves, because they cant imagine doing it themselves.

 

[Reedy]

What i find very odd is how the media have never questioned the McCanns?? We all know journalists love a bad guy & jumping to conclusions (the Joanna Yeats murder & her landlord for example)
Just very suprised that even papers like The Sun & The Daily Fail havent questioned any of the things we've read on this thread because if we can find these links I'm damn sure a journalist can x Do they have a VERY STRICT gagging order???

Or did they do a report claiming it COULD be the McCanns & I've missed it??

 

[Tasha]

Their PR guy is good friends with Rupert Murdoch, who owns lots of the media

 

[Jem_x3]

What i find very odd is how the media have never questioned the McCanns?? We all know journalists love a bad guy & jumping to conclusions (the Joanna Yeats murder & her landlord for example)
Just very suprised that even papers like The Sun & The Daily Fail havent questioned any of the things we've read on this thread because if we can find these links I'm damn sure a journalist can x Do they have a VERY STRICT gagging order???

Or did they do a report claiming it COULD be the McCanns & I've missed it??

The Sun are very pro-Mccann. I believe they are very good friends of Rupert Murdoch.

ETA: Tasha got there first lol

 

[AppleBlossom]

You'll find that Australian's are very pro-McCann as well.

Nothing to do with the fact the Rupert Murdoch is Australian of course...

 

[Tasha]

What i find very odd is how the media have never questioned the McCanns?? We all know journalists love a bad guy & jumping to conclusions (the Joanna Yeats murder & her landlord for example)
Just very suprised that even papers like The Sun & The Daily Fail havent questioned any of the things we've read on this thread because if we can find these links I'm damn sure a journalist can x Do they have a VERY STRICT gagging order???

Or did they do a report claiming it COULD be the McCanns & I've missed it??

The Sun are very pro-Mccann. I believe they are very good friends of Rupert Murdoch.

ETA: Tasha got there first lol

 

[Nut_Shake]

We live in a society of easily brainwashed puppets unfortunately where the media pulls the strings. No one wants to question anything, everyone wants their information handed to them on a plate and told what to think. Why do you think books and movies like Harry Potter and Twilight have done so well? Everyone loves the fantasy, to believe in good v evil, that there is hope that surely there will be a happy ending.

People don't want to believe that upstanding British citizens, and doctors none the less, would be capable of such a thing. No no, they are meant to be the 'goodies', aren't they?

Well if its on the news and in the media then it must be true... Right??