Kate McCann releasing a book...

[TattiesMum]

I've read this entire thread, and I've gone from thinking they were just neglectful, to thinking they did it, and now I'm not sure what to think :/

I just don't see where they could have hidden the body. If she did have an accident and it wasn't pre-meditated, how would they have found somewhere to hide the body? I've seen theories such as in underground tunnels, but they hadn't been there before so how could they know there were tunnels underground?

Another theory is that they dumped her body out to sea, the only way this would be possible really, is for them to hire a boat and go into the ocean, if they did this then the boat hire people would be witnesses? The would need to do it in the dark and wouldn't that be suspicious?

As for just chucking her into the sea, that wouldn't work because her body would drift right back in again.

I'm just thinking out loud here sorry.

I've always thought the church to be honest - and then somewhere between there and Huelva (when all attention was on sightings in Malta rather than the McCanns themselves).

It's just speculation of course - but it fits in with the cadaver smell in the car boot, which immediate dumping at sea wouldn't explain.

But where did they put the body before they put it in the Church? And why would they be so confidant no-one would enter the Church where the body was kept? And they couldn't just hide it because it would smell.

There are some theories about empty apartments and fridges ... including a witness statement about Gerry McCann being seen entering one such apartment I think).

Don't forget too that the police were looking for a live child, that there are presumably, just as in the UK, man hole covers in the roads/pavements and presumably a water outlet into the sea? Plus covered boats dragged up onto the beach .. a host of places to hide a small child

It also wasn't that warm at the time, which would slow decomposition - which would be slower in a healthy body anyway, so moving a few days later (in a bag?) would neither look or smell suspicious.

I'm not sure if the church has a crypt - I don't think so, but this is a Catholic church in a Catholic country, where incense is burned frequently, the interior is cool, the priest is sympathetic and they had privacy and were free to come and go as they pleased, whenever they pleased.

As for moving a body 2 months later ... there would hardly be any smell by then.

 

[Tasha]

Yes, I think that is quite possible too Jem.

And yes it was really nice, beautiful sunsets, said to be the best in Portugal, family friendly too. Oh and the most gorgeous beach.

TM that is all very interesting, thank you

 

[moomin_troll]

I've read this entire thread, and I've gone from thinking they were just neglectful, to thinking they did it, and now I'm not sure what to think :/

I just don't see where they could have hidden the body. If she did have an accident and it wasn't pre-meditated, how would they have found somewhere to hide the body? I've seen theories such as in underground tunnels, but they hadn't been there before so how could they know there were tunnels underground?

Another theory is that they dumped her body out to sea, the only way this would be possible really, is for them to hire a boat and go into the ocean, if they did this then the boat hire people would be witnesses? The would need to do it in the dark and wouldn't that be suspicious?

As for just chucking her into the sea, that wouldn't work because her body would drift right back in again.

I'm just thinking out loud here sorry.

I've always thought the church to be honest - and then somewhere between there and Huelva (when all attention was on sightings in Malta rather than the McCanns themselves).

It's just speculation of course - but it fits in with the cadaver smell in the car boot, which immediate dumping at sea wouldn't explain.

But where did they put the body before they put it in the Church? And why would they be so confidant no-one would enter the Church where the body was kept? And they couldn't just hide it because it would smell.

There are some theories about empty apartments and fridges ... including a witness statement about Gerry McCann being seen entering one such apartment I think).

Don't forget too that the police were looking for a live child, that there are presumably, just as in the UK, man hole covers in the roads/pavements and presumably a water outlet into the sea? Plus covered boats dragged up onto the beach .. a host of places to hide a small child

It also wasn't that warm at the time, which would slow decomposition - which would be slower in a healthy body anyway, so moving a few days later (in a bag?) would neither look or smell suspicious.

I'm not sure if the church has a crypt - I don't think so, but this is a Catholic church in a Catholic country, where incense is burned frequently, the interior is cool, the priest is sympathetic and they had privacy and were free to come and go as they pleased, whenever they pleased.

As for moving a body 2 months later ... there would hardly be any smell by then.

ive heard so many stories of childrens bodies being hidden in fridges, its going to be the last place they look. like the boy who went missing and then was found dead hours later by accident in the drier
i watch too much crime tv i think

 

[Cloberella]

I don't know, I really dislike Gerry McCann, he seems controlling and creepy; but all the theories I've heard about what they would have done to her body seem a bit far fetched to me. I don't see how tourists could have pulled it off.

There is something that does not sit right with me though. I thought the cadaver smell was suspicious when I read about it on the news and I'd love a plausible explanation for that.

That quote from Kate's book a fair few pages back has REALLY upset me. I can understand why she would think thoughts like that because the terrible things that would go through your head when your child is abducted... Well I just think it would be terrible.

But to print it in a book? It sounds like a paedophiles dream to me, why would you want that image of your child in other peoples heads?

 

[Jem_x3]

Yes, I think that is quite possible too Jem.

And yes it was really nice, beautiful sunsets, said to be the best in Portugal, family friendly too. Oh and the most gorgeous beach.

TM that is all very interesting, thank you

Sounds like exactly what I need lol

 

[going_crazy]

I seriously believe that one or both of the McCanns are hiding something, (and something very significant) but what I don't know. And Gerry gives me the creeps.

I keep thinking they know something or had something to do with Madeleines disappearance, and I also think that the rest of the Tapas 7 know something - maybe that actually their own "checking/listening" didn't actually happen as often or as thorough as they say (if it happened at all).
Maybe they know that Madeleine had banged her head the previous night.

The problem I have with all the theories and speculation about Madeleine having died as a result of an accident and the McCanns 'getting rid of' her (sorry - don't like that expression) is the whole limited timescale of when they would have an opportunity of doing this...... Can someone help me out.....????

What is the time of the last DEFINATE (and I mean concrete) time that Madeleine was seen alive by anyone other than Kate or Gerry (and I'm not sure if I'd believe the Tapas 7 tbh)?

 

[Jem_x3]

I don't know, I really dislike Gerry McCann, he seems controlling and creepy; but all the theories I've heard about what they would have done to her body seem a bit far fetched to me. I don't see how tourists could have pulled it off.

There is something that does not sit right with me though. I thought the cadaver smell was suspicious when I read about it on the news and I'd love a plausible explanation for that.

That quote from Kate's book a fair few pages back has REALLY upset me. I can understand why she would think thoughts like that because the terrible things that would go through your head when your child is abducted... Well I just think it would be terrible.

But to print it in a book? It sounds like a paedophiles dream to me, why would you want that image of your child in other peoples heads?

They had a plausible explanation of course! Rotting meat and dirty nappies In all seriousness, that's what they said.

And yes, there are a few pieces in the book that are disturbing to read. Kate reiterates her point about her "perfect little body" and what may of happened to it several times which I don't think is needed either

 

[AppleBlossom]

I think Kate might be close to cracking. Obviously Gerry won't let her but I can see it in her eyes that she looks almost, tired of hiding whatever it is she's hiding

 

[Jem_x3]

I seriously believe that one or both of the McCanns are hiding something, (and something very significant) but what I don't know. And Gerry gives me the creeps.

I keep thinking they know something or had something to do with Madeleines disappearance, and I also think that the rest of the Tapas 7 know something - maybe that actually their own "checking/listening" didn't actually happen as often or as thorough as they say (if it happened at all).
Maybe they know that Madeleine had banged her head the previous night.

The problem I have with all the theories and speculation about Madeleine having died as a result of an accident and the McCanns 'getting rid of' her (sorry - don't like that expression) is the whole limited timescale of when they would have an opportunity of doing this...... Can someone help me out.....????

What is the time of the last DEFINATE (and I mean concrete) time that Madeleine was seen alive by anyone other than Kate or Gerry (and I'm not sure if I'd believe the Tapas 7 tbh)?

From what I can make out of witness statements of people who worked at the resort Madeleine was last seen by anyone at around 4:30pm. Someone do correct me if I'm wrong. It's just I'm looking at witness statements now and that seems the general concensus.

 

[purpledahlia]

Last time she was seen alive? well 5.30 i think according to the creche records... but theres speculation of the signing her in and out being forged.. so could have been the day before. So technically, she could have died the night before when the neighbour was hearing the cries?? im not sure

 

[Quackquack99]

I don't know, I really dislike Gerry McCann, he seems controlling and creepy; but all the theories I've heard about what they would have done to her body seem a bit far fetched to me. I don't see how tourists could have pulled it off.

There is something that does not sit right with me though. I thought the cadaver smell was suspicious when I read about it on the news and I'd love a plausible explanation for that.

That quote from Kate's book a fair few pages back has REALLY upset me. I can understand why she would think thoughts like that because the terrible things that would go through your head when your child is abducted... Well I just think it would be terrible.

But to print it in a book? It sounds like a paedophiles dream to me, why would you want that image of your child in other peoples heads?

They had a plausible explanation of course! Rotting meat and dirty nappies In all seriousness, that's what they said.

And yes, there are a few pieces in the book that are disturbing to read. Kate reiterates her point about her "perfect little body" and what may of happened to it several times which I don't think is needed either

A cadaver dog would bypass rotting meat as human cadaverine is a different scent. I'm still angry that they dismissed the dogs findings. Dogs don't lie :/

 

[going_crazy]

Last time she was seen alive? well 5.30 i think according to the creche records... but theres speculation of the signing her in and out being forged.. so could have been the day before. So technically, she could have died the night before when the neighbour was hearing the cries?? im not sure

This is what really annoys me...... (sorry, not aimed at you! ) Are the creche records forged.... has anyone actually done any investigation at all?!?!

For this arguments sake, we'll say the last time she was seen alive was about 5pm??

Would it really be realistic for Madeleine to die and be moved/buried etc in that short timescale? What would've happened with the twins? Didn't Gerry play tennis between 6 & 7pm?

Sorry, just trying to get things straight in my head, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of time??

 

[purpledahlia]

I dunno, I think most reasonable thing is she died earlier than they say.. and they had some kind of help to keep her body somewhere? and she was buried somewhere else later on? what was that about the hills somewhere near the resort being suspected but never dug up?

 

[going_crazy]

I dunno, I think most reasonable thing is she died earlier than they say.. and they had some kind of help to keep her body somewhere? and she was buried somewhere else later on? what was that about the hills somewhere near the resort being suspected but never dug up?

Yeah, I heard about that - and it makes me wonder if Madeleine was actually seen by anyone on the 3rd May??
It's a shame there isn't any CCTV of Madeleine

 

[purpledahlia]

I dont think she was, unless the creche staff have actually written they did on statements, (ive not checked) Kate said the twins went to the beach but Maddie was too tired and stayed with her? I think..

 

[TattiesMum]

I came across this excellent definition of "innocent until proven guilty" this morning, which I thought would bear repeating for those who believe that doubting the McCanns' uncorroborated story is akin to having the moral capacity of Osama Bin Laden.

What "Innocent until proven Guilty" means is that a person cannot be punished in a Court of criminal law unless and until they have been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt following a fair trial.

It does not mean that every individual in society has to assume they are innocent in the face of evidence to the contrary. It does not even mean that all Courts have to.

There have been numerous cases of people being acquitted in the criminal courts but then being found in the civil courts to have committed the crime... OJ Simpson being a high profile case in point.

 

[Tasha]

I agree with that, TM.

 

[Cloberella]

It's true lots of guilty people get off.

I dunno I'm not saying they definitely didn't do it, but I don't really think its that plausible. Why would you write a book about it and drum up more interest?

 

[Tasha]

Money, they have said the fund is running out.

 

[Samemka]

It's true lots of guilty people get off.

I dunno I'm not saying they definitely didn't do it, but I don't really think its that plausible. Why would you write a book about it and drum up more interest?

For exactly that reason, most people are going to say 'if they were involved they wouldn't write a book! Money....Knowledge that any evidence that did exist will be gone by now....Caught up in the media whirlwind & so probably believe they 'have' to do it......there's a lot of 'sinister' reasons IMO.

And most of all....sympathy! The poor McCanns......if you feel sympathy towards them the last thing you're going to do is think they had something to do with it. Gives her chance to put her side of the story forward again (although, maybe she should have looked back over previous interviews/statements she's made first to at least ensure her story didn't contradict itself once again....)

If she were genuinely writing a book about her daughters disappearance from a grieving mothers POV, I cannot fathom why you would EVER put references to your daughters perfect little genitals being ripped apart (p.129). Sorry.....

I hate to say it again, I really do, but it needs to be said because Kate just hides behind this 'poor me' facade & has most people in this country believing her story. Few will actually read the book & process some of the sick, paedophilic references in it........sick, sick woman!