Kate McCann releasing a book...

[CRWx]

what has the sex life gotta do with Madeleine i fail to see why she mentioned it..

 

[Tasha]

You didnt offend me at all Sam, was just trying to show the flip side of it hun See I think the point 62 photo are forced smiles, so that is why it doesnt look right. And the one from her birthday, they are clearly laughing, so perhaps someone said something funny and they are like me; having extreme emotions - any thing sad has them sobbing for hours, anything happy and they are laughing as if it is the funniest thing on earth As I said all people grieve different, and in fact I am one person who has had two babies die, and how I grieved/grieving is different for both of them.

I hope it doesnt come across as me defending them, just saying there are very plausable answers for the photos.

haze, I think that is them trying to show just how much it affected them. You see that is a very 'normal' reaction to grief, and although they (supposedly) didnt know if she was dead or alive, to some degree they must of been 'grieving' so are maybe trying to show that normal response to it In fact if you read my TTC journal, I am having the very same issues.

 

[CRWx]

ahh, i understand better now i've read your comment tasha

 

[ChewyCookie]

Has anyone seen this? Don't know if it's just a load of crap though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHcwTx3DgDc&feature=related

 

[CRWx]

sorry, i think that vids bull

 

[Strawberries]

I don't believe any of that video tbh. Although that woman said the McCann's had a key to the church?! Why on earth would they have a key to the local church if they're only of holiday for a couple of weeks?!

 

[LoraLoo]

sorry, i think that vids bull

Me too. What made me laugh was when they were saying 'I think it was an abductor, I think he watched the apartment, I think he went into the bedroom' Basically just relaying wht the press had said?

 

[CRWx]

exactly, i could say that. I've just been looking through the sun website

https://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/W...partment_And_Hire_Car_Released_By_Detectives#

never seen that before!

 

[indy and lara]

Awful Lora, I knew that happened on the internet but they turned up to your mettings? And for both of them

It is a bit like munchausen's isnt it? They gain attention after one illness, and then create others to obtain sympathy.

Can you not remember Tasha? Tia's Mum and Dad? They had met Caron and loads of other parents at some meeting or something It went on months and months, no1 was sure if it was one person as Mum and Dad or 2 people but turned out it WAS 2 peopke- the man said his wife had a mental illness and Tia was the baby she wanted (why anyone would want a dead baby i will never know) but he was as bad as she was, coming on playing the grieving dad makes me sick.

Sadly I too do remember them. It did go on for a very, very long time. It was very damaging to the whole feel of the forum.

 

[Tasha]

at that video, I could of told you that any family on holiday were laughing and joking, wanting a good time

The one thing the video did show me was that there was quite a large flight of stairs to the apartment, meaning that it would of been harder to see up there when you are sitting down on ground level.

 

[Jem_x3]

I find this odd:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3571775/Kate-McCann-I-couldnt-make-love-to-Gerry.html

If my child were missing I wouldn't be thinking about going on photoshoots (last photo of her) and I would be talking about my missing child not my sex life, or lack of.

Interesting, from the article:
Gerry was functioning much sooner than I was. I felt a tinge of resentment that he was managing to operate and I wasn't; sometimes I found it almost offensive, as if somehow he wasn't grieving enough.

Sinister? Maybe

 

[Tasha]

Sadly I too do remember them. It did go on for a very, very long time. It was very damaging to the whole feel of the forum.

Yes, was never quite the same was it, lots of mistrust.

 

[indy and lara]

Tasha & Lora, I hope I've not offended either of you by talking about the photo of the McCanns smiling & saying it seemed weird. I wasn't suggesting you shouldn't smile after losing a child, I have know idea what it's like & I don't mean to judge or say what's right or wrong, (I wasn't implying that the McCanns should NEVER smile) it was just....that picture.....something about it seems very awkward to me, IDK.

Below point 62 here:

https://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-hum.../07/100-reasons-why-madeleine-mccann-was.html

And then down the right side, one of the last few pictures, Gerry's smile especially on her birthday.....IDK. I'm not in a position to comment on how one behaves when losing a child - well, in their case, not knowing if their child is dead or alive, but that photo to me is strange.

The thing is that after you lose your child, there is no set way to behave. Sometimes you forget for a few minutes and smile and laugh and other times life happens and makes you happy for a while.

 

[Tasha]

I find this odd:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3571775/Kate-McCann-I-couldnt-make-love-to-Gerry.html

If my child were missing I wouldn't be thinking about going on photoshoots (last photo of her) and I would be talking about my missing child not my sex life, or lack of.

Interesting, from the article:
Gerry was functioning much sooner than I was. I felt a tinge of resentment that he was managing to operate and I wasn't; sometimes I found it almost offensive, as if somehow he wasn't grieving enough.

Sinister? Maybe

No, again showing/trying to show normal reactions. I cant count how many times I have heard my SANDS friends say he doesnt seem to be grieving as much as me, or I wish he would grieve openly, or he seems to of got on with life when I havent yet.

 

[LoraLoo]

exactly, i could say that. I've just been looking through the sun website

https://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/W...partment_And_Hire_Car_Released_By_Detectives#

never seen that before!

So an abductor would have to walk past the twins to get to Maddie And then scramble through that little window with a 3 year old girl in his arms? With nobody seeing him.

 

[Samemka]

https://www.mccannfiles.com/id191.html

Brilliant article by a criminal profiler. This is the bit that fascinated me:

"Gerry has talked about "…the guilt we felt at not being there AT THE MOMENT MADELEINE WAS TAKEN."

First of all, Gerry, IF one of you had been there with Madeleine, there would be NO MOMENT WHEN MADELEINE WAS TAKEN. It simply could not have occurred. If one of you had been there, either the abductor would have simply turned around and given up the idea or you would have fought with the abductor to save Madeleine. She could NOT HAVE BEEN TAKEN if you were there.

Let's analyze further. There are two very important words here: MOMENT and TAKEN.

First of all, Madeleine couldn't have been taken in a MOMENT by an abductor. It would have taken quite a few moments to grab the child out of the bed, struggle with her, climb out a window, and carry her off.

Secondly, she wouldn't have just been TAKEN. She would have been ABDUCTED, STOLEN, or KIDNAPPED.

TAKEN is an interesting passive word. Theoretically, it could just be Gerry and Kate trying to feel less guilty about a child predator abducting a screaming and terrified Madeleine. Maybe the word, TAKEN, just feels less awful. But, then again, maybe TAKEN is what they really mean. Maddy may have been taken from life and Gerry and Kate may feel guilt over the MOMENT that occurred. Alternatively, if they really did have help moving her body and Kate really did scream "THEY have taken Madeleine," maybe they feel guilt over not being there at the MOMENT Madeleine was TAKEN from the room and hidden elsewhere. Perhaps, this is exactly why no one was supposed to look in on the children and why the doors were left unlocked. Maybe, the "feeling" Gerry has that a man was in the room is accurate because he set the whole thing up. But I digress.

If the MOMENT refers to a time when Kate and Gerry were off partying and Madeleine suffered a serious injury from falling down the steps or had overdosed on sedatives, they might feel guilty they were not there at that MOMENT because as doctors, had they been there at that MOMENT, they might have been able to administer medical care and save Maddy's life. Gerry then would be admitting that MOMENTS do count and leaving your child unattended for even a MOMENT can effectively contribute to the child's death.

Worse yet, if the McCanns were there when Madeleine died and Gerry is referring to feeling bad about not being there the MOMENT her body was moved, then one of them killed her in a fit of rage or overdosed her with sedatives before going out for the evening. This parent clearly would not be viewing themselves at fault for the incident and the other parent is one heck of a pushover and enabler. This can happen when one of the couple is desperate enough to stay in the relationship, protect one's professional life, or keep a perfect social or personal image. Considering the great deal of minimization the McCanns have done since their daughter went missing, it is really not that big a stretch to imagine one of them acting in such a fashion.

Regardless of which scenario might be true, I think Gerry may have told the exact truth with this statement: that he and Kate DO feel guilty for

"… not being there at the MOMENT Madeleine was TAKEN.""

 

[indy and lara]

I find this odd:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3571775/Kate-McCann-I-couldnt-make-love-to-Gerry.html

If my child were missing I wouldn't be thinking about going on photoshoots (last photo of her) and I would be talking about my missing child not my sex life, or lack of.

Interesting, from the article:
Gerry was functioning much sooner than I was. I felt a tinge of resentment that he was managing to operate and I wasn't; sometimes I found it almost offensive, as if somehow he wasn't grieving enough.
Sinister? Maybe

10 days after Bobo died, Andy went back to work. I was still barely functioning. He grieved in a different way and at differnt times to me. 6 months down the line he went to counselling on his own while I was starting to pull together again. It is very, very common for grieving parents to grieve in very differnt ways. Sadly it is why many relationships fail after the loss of a baby.

 

[CRWx]

exactly is it me or does the email seem a little bit too fake i use it losely as it could of been evidence but idk, something about it

 

[Jem_x3]

I find this odd:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3571775/Kate-McCann-I-couldnt-make-love-to-Gerry.html

If my child were missing I wouldn't be thinking about going on photoshoots (last photo of her) and I would be talking about my missing child not my sex life, or lack of.

Interesting, from the article:
Gerry was functioning much sooner than I was. I felt a tinge of resentment that he was managing to operate and I wasn't; sometimes I found it almost offensive, as if somehow he wasn't grieving enough.

Sinister? Maybe

No, again showing/trying to show normal reactions. I cant count how many times I have heard my SANDS friends say he doesnt seem to be grieving as much as me, or I wish he would grieve openly, or he seems to of got on with life when I havent yet.

You misinterpreted what I was trying to say hun - I meant why would she say he wasn't grieving enough. Surely that would be insinuating Maddie was dead? I think I would of put it a different way is all. Such as he wasn't panicking enough, wasn't distraught, scared, worrying enough. To say he was operating instead of grieving just seems a bit bizarre considering he was operating and being pro-active to supposely find their daughter

 

[LoraLoo]

Awful Lora, I knew that happened on the internet but they turned up to your mettings? And for both of them

It is a bit like munchausen's isnt it? They gain attention after one illness, and then create others to obtain sympathy.

Can you not remember Tasha? Tia's Mum and Dad? They had met Caron and loads of other parents at some meeting or something It went on months and months, no1 was sure if it was one person as Mum and Dad or 2 people but turned out it WAS 2 peopke- the man said his wife had a mental illness and Tia was the baby she wanted (why anyone would want a dead baby i will never know) but he was as bad as she was, coming on playing the grieving dad makes me sick.

Sadly I too do remember them. It did go on for a very, very long time. It was very damaging to the whole feel of the forum.

I agree, the forum sort of felt tarnished after that , I sadly dont think they were the first though, or that they'll be the last