MAY we all be blessed with baby! May 2013 and beyond (BFFs Seeking BFPs)

Clande I'm so happy your numbers are looking so good! With ds I didn't have any morning sickness til 6-7 weeks. With this baby I haven't had any morning sickness, just nausea and complete exhaustion at times, of course I fo chase around a 17 month old all day. They told me a little spotting is normal due to the increase in blood flow, but only to be concerned if it turns into a flow.
 
Newbie- today is your next appointment right? Did you get your test results back?
 
Thanks for thinking about me, kksy9b. my next appointment isn't until the 14th. How romantic that we'll spend the evening of valentines day at the doctor for keeping to have an ultrasound! My test was good. It showed that the down regulation meds worked perfectly and threw my body Into Induced menopause, which Is what they need to control my ovulation before egg retrieval. Started stimulation meds yesterday and managed to slice my finger on one of the glass solvent bottles as I popped off the seal. Wouldn't stop bleeding for the longest time. Couldn't believe It for such a small cut! I'll be more careful tonight!

Trying to stay positive... Especially when I feel like crying. I still can't comprehend that we have tried so much and now ivf is our only option. I never dreamed it would be so difficult and such a long road. I hope this is our answer...

How's everyone else?
 
So sorry you cut your finger...ouch! I can't imagine how difficult this must be for you. I pray that this journey of TTC is nearly at an end for you : hugs:
 
I've had two really bad days. I just can't seem to get myself motivated for anything. Last night, I begged dh to go out with me to a cafe or something so that I didn't sit at home feeling useless, but he was too tired and napped on the couch. I sat around staring into space. Tonight I'm a little better but he's napping on the couch again. I came into my study to try to do some reading but I can't focus on it at all. I'm beginning to feel like this is all a waste of time. I know my first ultrasound is still a few days away, but I just have a nagging gut-feel that this won't work either and I'm just not destined to have my own kid. Ever. In the back of my mind, I know this is probably because the hormones are screwing around with my emotional state, but I just can't shake the feeling. It really doesn't help that I do not want to tell anyone that we're going through this, so I literally have no one else to talk to about this. I don't want to stress dh out more by complaining about feeling like this (although he's been really good, offering to get me from work after the students have started classes to take me to a pharmacy so someone there can inject me and I don't have to inject myself, he also wants to come to the doctor with me for the ultrasound - which he never normally does). My mum knows, but she's been really busy and the only time I have to talk to her is during the 5 minutes it takes me to drive to work and for the last few days she's been at appointments or in courses during that time. I know she would be happy for me to call her at any time, even if it is in the middle of the night her time, I also don't want to burden her with my stresses either. There's literally nothing she can do about it but listen, but she'll also worry and I really don't want her to do that. She'd be on a plane tomorrow if she thought her being here would help. Maybe it would. But it is unrealistic, especially since I'll want her to be here for a good few months if/when a baby arrives. I know I have to keep going and try my best to be positive. And I thank god again that I found all of you and you've stuck around to be a support for me during this time. I literally have no one else to share my depression with. Pray for us and I hope to be more positive next time I post. :hugs: to you all. And thank you.
 
:hugs::hugs::hugs: there is nothing I can say that will help except hat we are here for you and will continue to be no matter where this journey leads. I hope the ultrasound will give you some hope in the middle of all of this :hugs:
 
If the useless feeling/hopeless feelings continue - make sure you do let your doc know. It's possible that the hormones may be having too much of an effect. It's also possible your body needs a slight tweak to the protocol.

Overall, I think what you're feeling is actually pretty normal. Anyone who has gone through infertility normally shares very similar feelings. A lot of the valleys we go through do seem to be related to the hormones surging. I know even with just the letrozole and ovidrel I'd be all over the map day to day...I don't know how my students survived last year with me as a teacher.

Your RE's office might have some support if you ask as well. Some practices can pair you up with a mentor or a small group. It's always a good idea to have someone who is in a similar place tell you that you're NOT alone in this and that your feelings are not abnormal one bit.
 
@newbie2013 I've been following along. I'm excited for your protocol. I'm sorry you're struggling lately. I understand your feelings. I have such high hopes for you. I know it will happen. I'm sending so much love and hope your way! :friends:

I hope everyone else is doing well. I'm excited to see we have some new BFPs. Congrats to all! Let me know if/when you want to be added to the pregnancy thread.
 
Newbie- sorry you've been feeling down. Know that the hormones can really do a number on you. But you also need support- do try and find someone you can talk to, face to face. The more support you have, the better. It's hard stuff you're going through.

Hopeful- glad to see you back. Any updates?
 
@newbie: sorry for the delay, I have been checking in from my phone and knew this was going to be a long one (too long for phone entry at least).

What you are feeling (to me) sounds normal for your circumstances. I felt exactly the same way when I went to the RE this summer, ran all the horrible numbers in my head, and still feel like it's completely unfair that some of us, who would make fantastic parents, have to work so hard for something that seems like such a basic mammalian function. I also still haven't told almost anyone about our struggles. I admire people who can be open and up front about it, but I'm not sure it is ever something I am going to announce on Facebook or casually tell people about who aren't incredibly close to me. I have still not discussed this with my own mother.

You have to do whatever feels right for you and your DH. You can stop and start and you can do as much or as little as you want. When I left the RE with the horrible experience with the nurse and giant cyst back in August, I wasn't sure it was possible, but wasn't willing to continue that route at that time - decided the best thing for me was to do as little as possible for a year and then go back to the RE for IVF in Jan 2017, if all else failed. A YEAR (plus the four months it was going to take for my hormone stuff to get regulated again). That's how much I was willing to wait versus going there. It's HARD. And it's OK not to love the process.

I think some of the ladies here have had some great suggestions. I would also check the threads, you are not the only person on BnB doing your first IVF cycle. It may be more helpful to have additional support coming from ladies going through it at the same time. We will for sure be here for you!

AFM... I am officially off the TTC wagon. Got an unexpected scan today - measuring a perfect 5w6d, saw teeny tiny heart beat. Beta drawn yesterday (27 DPO) was 15,052. Not a guarantee (never is), but looking like this might be a keeper. I will continue to follow here, but will keep my updates in my journal. I plan to make pregnancy journal this weekend and will update my signature with the link. Scan photo is in my current TTC journal, if any of you are curious!
 
Thanks for the reassurance and support ladies. I'm feeling much better today and yesterday was a good day too. The injections have been easier, so either I'm getting better at doing them or I'm getting used to them!! Dh has been unbelievably supportive and is keen to talk about what's next. With his meds, he sometimes forgets what we've talked about, so I've been repeating myself quite a bit... which has actually been useful for me because I can get things straight in my mind too. I'm nervous about my ultrasound tomorrow - am I over stimulated? Am I under stimulated? How much longer will I need to stim for? How many more ultrasounds? What if DH's sample isn't good? Regular IVF or ICSI? When will egg collection be? How many egg? How many will fertilize? What is the quality of the embryos? When will transfer happen? How many embryos? Risk of multiples (could probably deal with twins but triplets would be too much! We have a set of magnificent triplets at school who are adorable - identical twin boys and a girl, but still not enough to convince me that I could handle that or a triplet pregnancy)?? What about freezing embryos (if there's extra - hopefully!)? What's next in the process? When will I trigger? Will I need progesterone supplements? Injections, tablets or suppositories? Too many questions! Good thing I've now written them down, so I can go back and ask the doc :-)

:hugs: to you all!!
 
Clande- what amazing news to have gotten to see baby and that they are perfect! I pray that this is your forever baby

Newbie- beat of luck tomorrow! What time is your appointment at? I hope you can get your questions all (or mostly) answered. Sounds like you are on top of it!

AFM, all is well. AF is due in less than a week and then I can say "next cycles we are trying." Feels a bit surreal to be getting ready to hop back on the TTC train
 
Newbie: try to take things one day at a time! And other cliches- don't borrow trouble. And sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. Sorry but they persist through time because they have wisdom- you can't know what problems may arise until you get there; and if they do come, you will have counsel for them. I'm glad your husband is so supportive. I know it's a lot of what-if's- all you can do is your best.

Kksy- good luck in your next cycle!
 
Thanks for the reassurance and support ladies. I'm feeling much better today and yesterday was a good day too. The injections have been easier, so either I'm getting better at doing them or I'm getting used to them!! Dh has been unbelievably supportive and is keen to talk about what's next. With his meds, he sometimes forgets what we've talked about, so I've been repeating myself quite a bit... which has actually been useful for me because I can get things straight in my mind too. I'm nervous about my ultrasound tomorrow - am I over stimulated? Am I under stimulated? How much longer will I need to stim for? How many more ultrasounds? What if DH's sample isn't good? Regular IVF or ICSI? When will egg collection be? How many egg? How many will fertilize? What is the quality of the embryos? When will transfer happen? How many embryos? Risk of multiples (could probably deal with twins but triplets would be too much! We have a set of magnificent triplets at school who are adorable - identical twin boys and a girl, but still not enough to convince me that I could handle that or a triplet pregnancy)?? What about freezing embryos (if there's extra - hopefully!)? What's next in the process? When will I trigger? Will I need progesterone supplements? Injections, tablets or suppositories? Too many questions! Good thing I've now written them down, so I can go back and ask the doc :-)

:hugs: to you all!!

I've been around the assisted conception world long enough that I can sort of answer some of these for you (keeping in mind everyone is a little different, as are each clinics procedures) - also a little surprised they didn't go over this with you, because most places basically use the same schedule.

Am I over stimulated? Am I under stimulated? How much longer will I need to stim for? How many more ultrasounds?
Based on your testing results (FSH, AMH, antral follicle count, etc.) they can usually guess what dose is appropriate for stimulation, once they start U/S around CD 7-9 (then usually 2-4 day intervals for U/S, which decrease until your scheduled for trigger/ retrieval). They base the stim dosing off what activity they observe. Depending on the protocol it varies, but *most* protocols with expected response stim for 8-10 days - some can be MUCH longer - don't worry if you are in the longer group, as the time it takes to mature a pool of eggs doesn't really have a predictive effect on whether or not a cycle will be successful. They also monitor estradiol (E2), a type of estrogen, and check the lining thickness of your uterus.

What if DH's sample isn't good? Regular IVF or ICSI?
I can only suggest not worrying about that which you cannot control - encourage him to take any recommended supplements, eat well, sleep well, make sure he's not letting things sit in the system more then 3-4 days without ejaculation (this is generally true, unless he has specific issues with different instructions). If the sample is less than ideal, that's usually when they recommend ICSI, which absolutely still gets people pregnant!

When will egg collection be? How many egg? How many will fertilize? What is the quality of the embryos? When will transfer happen?
Egg collection will be when you are ready! Definitely cannot help with speculating the number of eggs, how many will fertilize, or their quality. I can say that transfer usually happens 3-5 days after collection, usually they already have a plan for that. I do know someone who was scheduled for a fresh, 5 day transfer and they put her off a month to improve her lining with a frozen transfer instead and she's now almost 20 weeks along, so keep that in the back of your mind that they can get creative, if their experience sees a way to improve your odds! Frozen actually has a bit of a statistical advantage: https://www.cdc.gov/art/pdf/2013-na.../art_2013_graphs_and_charts_final_figure5.pdf
Main data page from CDC here: https://www.cdc.gov/art/reports/2013/national-summary-figures.html

How many embryos? Risk of multiples (could probably deal with twins but triplets would be too much! We have a set of magnificent triplets at school who are adorable - identical twin boys and a girl, but still not enough to convince me that I could handle that or a triplet pregnancy)??
Any embryo has about a 1% chance of splitting. Most REs stick to single embryo transfer, though in some cases or if you really push for it they will transfer two. Very few will transfer more than two. Data does NOT show a statistically significant increase in live births by increasing the number of embryos, but there is an increased risk of multiples. Most of the time when multiple embryos are transferred, only one takes anyway. Most of the twins and triplets from assisted conception are from ovulation induction and not from IVF. IVF is like the ultimate level of control for REs. If you do get more than one viable embryo, it's totally fair to ask if your chances are better transferring two in one cycle or doing two cycles with one each. The data I've read, would suggest you would be better off doing one fresh cycle with one and failing that, doing a frozen cycle with the other - but fair question to ask that particular facility, as their specific protocols may alter those generalities.

What about freezing embryos (if there's extra - hopefully!)?
Whether or not you freeze is up to you, make sure you understand the costs and what your options are for the fate of any unused embryos after you have completed your family. Some states/ countries have restrictions regarding donation to other couples, donation for scientific research, indefinite storage requirements (and fees), and/or destruction.

What's next in the process?
My clinic did a 12 DPO hCG blood test (though I tested out my triggers and then tested daily with internet cheapies because I'm a shameless POAS-aholic).

When will I trigger?
Triggers are once there are the maximum number of eggs that can be matured in a pool of them based on U/S. They have to balance quantity over "ripeness" - making sure they are making as many ripe enough, but not too ripe, in one pass. Trust yourself for choosing that clinic and their judgement. It's your first cycle, but sure isn't theirs! They usually instruct you to trigger the day/ night before retrieval.

Will I need progesterone supplements? Injections, tablets or suppositories?
You will almost definitely need progesterone supplements. There is something about the chemical process of induction that doesn't cause the same level of progesterone output that you would get in a natural cycle. Tablets have the lowest absorption, where suppositories have been developed as an alternative to injections and found to have comparable absorption. Both have their advantages and disadvantages, and chances are your provider will have their preference. I would be sure to ask them about side effects and ways to deal in advance.

I hope some of that helped ease your mind! I would still ask your clinic all of those questions because the exact answer for your case and their procedures may be different. I did a TON of research (LOL, in case you can't tell), because I honestly fully expected to be doing this next year - I don't think I believed I could get a viable pregnancy without it.
 
Clande, you're amazing! I'll write a proper reply tonight when I'm back on the computer.
 
I'm glad I could help!

PS. I thought I was having allergies, but I seem to have gotten an actual cold (which I never get). All of the allowed non-medication remedies are BOLLOCKS.
 
Oh no! Clandestine!!! I hope the cold doesn't hang around too long. Try everything... Lemon & ginger tea (if you can drink it) goes some way to relieve symptoms. Can you find Eucalyptus oil? It works well to clear sinuses too. Above all, get lots of rest. I'm sure that a cold in the first few weeks of pregnancy isn't fun at all!

I wanted to say again how much I really appreciate your earlier post. Reading through it made me realise that I am getting ahead of myself. I know that the doctor isn't going to be able to answer all of my questions tonight because he's just not going to know. I understand what you mean about being surprised that he hasn't gone though some of this stuff with me, but it reminds me again just how differently things are done in this country! Frustrating. On the other hand, I guess it isn't so bad because he's drip-feeding me information when I need to know, because he understands that I also research online and usually come in with more information than I need. It doesn't help that I see him at consulting rooms rather than at the clinic, so he doesn't have all the information in front of him either. The first day that we go to his clinic is ER day. The next time we go is ET day. From then on, we'll be back in the consulting rooms close by our house. If this round is unsuccessful, we'll consider changing to another doc who has the clinic closer to us so we don't have to go so far for the ER and ET. It isn't far as such, but inconvenient because it is a really busy area and if we have to go during peak hour traffic, it could take up to two hour (or more) to get there and back... not fun after either procedure.

Still got a couple of hours to wait until I go to the doc. DH is still keen to come with me, so I'm happy about that. He wasn't feeling well last time (he'd also just done a blood test... he's not good with things like that - typical man!) so this time, I'm going to give him a notebook and pen and get him to take notes so I can just listen and also note down the size of follicles. Based on the level of discomfort I had while dtd last night, I'm predicting more on my right than my left. Fingers crossed I trigger soon...

How's everyone else doing?
 
I was drip-fed information at the RE the first FSH.IUI cycle here, too. Honestly, had the same experience with the nurse/midwife, too. It's like they all think we just *know* this stuff and/ or don't need to know it!

The nurse-midwife office did give me a list of meds, but really nothing for decongestants this early, they prefer to wait for 12 weeks for any of that. Grateful we have a tankless hot water heater and that Hubster bought too much lemon juice, allowing me to make super hot water, sugar, and lemon drink which has been amazing for my throat. Thankfully, I've not had any fever, which is the only real risk to my embryo at this point.

FX for you today! Please update us! (FEELING pressure in the ovary area is a great sign, though!)
 

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