OT - Usama Bin Laden is DEAD!

[xemmax]

We don't think he should be forgiven or freed, we just don't agree with killing him! Surely that is not too difficult to understand?

There are many comments about not slapping the other cheek and about forgiveness, etc, etc. I have read the whole thing.

Would you prefer that he was sent to prison, assaulted, butt raped and continuosly attacked by other prisoners? Wouldnt that be more against his human rights? If hew as imprisoned that would be the likely outcome and he would likely get a bad deal from the police officers?

Are you really implying he was killed for his own benefit?

Not at all.

My hubby was injured on the aldgate train at the 7/7. If he had been mortally injured i would be happy to sit down to a bin laden al la carte dinner.

It is easy to be objective when you haven't had direct experience.

Exactly. Hands up if you have been affected by this war, or the terrorism acts?
I can no longer talk, hug or mess about with one of my best friends, my son will never get to know what a good person my friend was.
Some children wont get to know who their father/mother/brother/sister was. I feel pain. But the pain of people who have had a family member die is bound to be worse.
Of course the majority of these peolle want revenge. Why shouldnt they?

You can't honestly say that unless you have lost someone you are not entitled to an opinion?

Our entire justice system is based on objectivity!

I have and would NEVER condemn those who have lost loved ones for being 'pleased' that Osama is dead, we all instinctly seek revenge, we are human.

But legally speaking this man had more to answer for, and this 'revenge' has made it impossible in my opinion for any form of justice to exist - because now he will never be able to answer anybody's questions.

 

[xemmax]

I used to live there... Chetwynd Barracks. Nice place. All my family are down the 'road' in Melton Mowbray too. Seems assumptions are being made all over the shop today
It's very easy to have a word or phrase taken out of context on the internet.

I live just off Swiney Way, we must have been neighbours.

 

[louandivy]

We don't think he should be forgiven or freed, we just don't agree with killing him! Surely that is not too difficult to understand?

There are many comments about not slapping the other cheek and about forgiveness, etc, etc. I have read the whole thing.

Would you prefer that he was sent to prison, assaulted, butt raped and continuosly attacked by other prisoners? Wouldnt that be more against his human rights? If hew as imprisoned that would be the likely outcome and he would likely get a bad deal from the police officers?

Are you really implying he was killed for his own benefit?

Not at all.

My hubby was injured on the aldgate train at the 7/7. If he had been mortally injured i would be happy to sit down to a bin laden al la carte dinner.

It is easy to be objective when you haven't had direct experience.

Exactly. Hands up if you have been affected by this war, or the terrorism acts?
I can no longer talk, hug or mess about with one of my best friends, my son will never get to know what a good person my friend was.
Some children wont get to know who their father/mother/brother/sister was. I feel pain. But the pain of people who have had a family member die is bound to be worse.
Of course the majority of these peolle want revenge. Why shouldnt they?

You can't honestly say that unless you have lost someone you are not entitled to an opinion?

Our entire justice system is based on objectivity!

I have and would NEVER condemn those who have lost loved ones for being 'pleased' that Osama is dead, we all instinctly seek revenge, we are human.

But legally speaking this man had more to answer for, and this 'revenge' has made it impossible in my opinion for any form of justice to exist - because now he will never be able to answer anybody's questions.

Completely agree with all of this. Of course victims have every right to want revenge and I probably would too but if law and punishment was based on people's emotions then hundreds of people would probably be tortured every day!

 

[Sarah&Ady]

I used to live there... Chetwynd Barracks. Nice place. All my family are down the 'road' in Melton Mowbray too. Seems assumptions are being made all over the shop today
It's very easy to have a word or phrase taken out of context on the internet.

I live just off Swiney Way, we must have been neighbours.

Scary huh?

 

[xemmax]

I used to live there... Chetwynd Barracks. Nice place. All my family are down the 'road' in Melton Mowbray too. Seems assumptions are being made all over the shop today
It's very easy to have a word or phrase taken out of context on the internet.

I live just off Swiney Way, we must have been neighbours.

Scary huh?

Not anymore!

 

[ttc_lolly]

Exactly. Hands up if you have been affected by this war, or the terrorism acts?
I can no longer talk, hug or mess about with one of my best friends, my son will never get to know what a good person my friend was.
Some children wont get to know who their father/mother/brother/sister was. I feel pain. But the pain of people who have had a family member die is bound to be worse.
Of course the majority of these peolle want revenge. Why shouldnt they?

I have a lot of friends and people I know of that are currently deployed in Iraq & Afghanistan. And know of people that have lost their lives over there, however as far as I know they were soldiers killing other soldiers (which is obviously still very sad) but there were plenty of innocent civilians also being killed just by getting caught in the middle of the soldiers fighting.

Moving from up North down to London was a massive eye opener for me. How much more alert we have to be against attacks and terrorism etc, the threat is constant here.

Regardless of all that, I still don't think revenge is right. But in all honesty I don't believe in what is being told to us about OBL's killing so!?

 

[bathbabe]

We don't think he should be forgiven or freed, we just don't agree with killing him! Surely that is not too difficult to understand?

There are many comments about not slapping the other cheek and about forgiveness, etc, etc. I have read the whole thing.

Would you prefer that he was sent to prison, assaulted, butt raped and continuosly attacked by other prisoners? Wouldnt that be more against his human rights? If hew as imprisoned that would be the likely outcome and he would likely get a bad deal from the police officers?

Are you really implying he was killed for his own benefit?

Not at all.

My hubby was injured on the aldgate train at the 7/7. If he had been mortally injured i would be happy to sit down to a bin laden al la carte dinner.

It is easy to be objective when you haven't had direct experience.

Exactly. Hands up if you have been affected by this war, or the terrorism acts?
I can no longer talk, hug or mess about with one of my best friends, my son will never get to know what a good person my friend was.
Some children wont get to know who their father/mother/brother/sister was. I feel pain. But the pain of people who have had a family member die is bound to be worse.
Of course the majority of these peolle want revenge. Why shouldnt they?

You can't honestly say that unless you have lost someone you are not entitled to an opinion?

Our entire justice system is based on objectivity!

I have and would NEVER condemn those who have lost loved ones for being 'pleased' that Osama is dead, we all instinctly seek revenge, we are human.

But legally speaking this man had more to answer for, and this 'revenge' has made it impossible in my opinion for any form of justice to exist - because now he will never be able to answer anybody's questions.

I never said you couldnt have an opinion.
Im just saying the majority of people havnt had to suffer the loss of a loved one. The ones who have probally would of quite happily of seen him tortured or sentanced to death, but because we are in the minority we are being asked shit about 'how can we think like that' 'being morally superior' etc.

 

[Lellow]

How does anyone know what he was actually guilty of....The only thing that could have ever determined that was a trial, which will never happen now!

Could there be a possibility that his death was for no real reason as there is no actual evidence?!

 

[xemmax]

We don't think he should be forgiven or freed, we just don't agree with killing him! Surely that is not too difficult to understand?

There are many comments about not slapping the other cheek and about forgiveness, etc, etc. I have read the whole thing.

Would you prefer that he was sent to prison, assaulted, butt raped and continuosly attacked by other prisoners? Wouldnt that be more against his human rights? If hew as imprisoned that would be the likely outcome and he would likely get a bad deal from the police officers?

Are you really implying he was killed for his own benefit?

Not at all.

My hubby was injured on the aldgate train at the 7/7. If he had been mortally injured i would be happy to sit down to a bin laden al la carte dinner.

It is easy to be objective when you haven't had direct experience.

Exactly. Hands up if you have been affected by this war, or the terrorism acts?
I can no longer talk, hug or mess about with one of my best friends, my son will never get to know what a good person my friend was.
Some children wont get to know who their father/mother/brother/sister was. I feel pain. But the pain of people who have had a family member die is bound to be worse.
Of course the majority of these peolle want revenge. Why shouldnt they?

You can't honestly say that unless you have lost someone you are not entitled to an opinion?

Our entire justice system is based on objectivity!

I have and would NEVER condemn those who have lost loved ones for being 'pleased' that Osama is dead, we all instinctly seek revenge, we are human.

But legally speaking this man had more to answer for, and this 'revenge' has made it impossible in my opinion for any form of justice to exist - because now he will never be able to answer anybody's questions.

I never said you couldnt have an opinion.
Im just saying the majority of people havnt had to suffer the loss of a loved one. The ones who have probally would of quite happily of seen him tortured or sentanced to death, but because we are in the minority we are being asked shit about 'how can we think like that' 'being morally superior' etc.

Look, I am honestly not targetting those who have lost anyone, I am talking about our society and what we stand for, and the decisions we make as a country, not what we, the little people, think should happen. I totally disagree 100% with capital punishment but that doesn't mean I don't understand why you feel the way you do, and it doesn't mean that I think the way you feel is wrong, it means that I believe our 'leaders' should be objective enough to not act upon the emotion that makes you feel the way you do. I hope this makes sense as I really don't want people to think I'm trying to belittle their experience, as I'm not at all.

 

[louandivy]

We are NOT talking about indiviudals. We have said over and over again that victims are perfectly entitled to feel revenge, its completely normal. But justice should be objective.

 

[ttc_lolly]

How does anyone know what he was actually guilty of....The only thing that could have ever determined that was a trial, which will never happen now!

Could there be a possibility that his death was for no real reason as there is no actual evidence?!

exactly

 

[xemmax]

How does anyone know what he was actually guilty of....The only thing that could have ever determined that was a trial, which will never happen now!

Could there be a possibility that his death was for no real reason as there is no actual evidence?!

Heaven forbid...

 

[Lellow]

Innocent UNTIL proven guilty.....Or is it the other way round?

 

[tu123]

We don't think he should be forgiven or freed, we just don't agree with killing him! Surely that is not too difficult to understand?

There are many comments about not slapping the other cheek and about forgiveness, etc, etc. I have read the whole thing.

Would you prefer that he was sent to prison, assaulted, butt raped and continuosly attacked by other prisoners? Wouldnt that be more against his human rights? If hew as imprisoned that would be the likely outcome and he would likely get a bad deal from the police officers?

Are you really implying he was killed for his own benefit?

Not at all.

My hubby was injured on the aldgate train at the 7/7. If he had been mortally injured i would be happy to sit down to a bin laden al la carte dinner.

It is easy to be objective when you haven't had direct experience.

Exactly. Hands up if you have been affected by this war, or the terrorism acts?
I can no longer talk, hug or mess about with one of my best friends, my son will never get to know what a good person my friend was.
Some children wont get to know who their father/mother/brother/sister was. I feel pain. But the pain of people who have had a family member die is bound to be worse.
Of course the majority of these peolle want revenge. Why shouldnt they?

You can't honestly say that unless you have lost someone you are not entitled to an opinion?

Our entire justice system is based on objectivity!

I have and would NEVER condemn those who have lost loved ones for being 'pleased' that Osama is dead, we all instinctly seek revenge, we are human.

But legally speaking this man had more to answer for, and this 'revenge' has made it impossible in my opinion for any form of justice to exist - because now he will never be able to answer anybody's questions.

Completely agree with all of this. Of course victims have every right to want revenge and I probably would too but if law and punishment was based on people's emotions then hundreds of people would probably be tortured every day!

You are 100% right and of course the law cannot be managed this way!

He had alot to answer for, but i doubt he would have spoken up.

The one truly good thing that has come from this is that they have found loads of data which can hopefully help them catch other terrorists to be.

 

[bathbabe]

We are NOT talking about indiviudals. We have said over and over again that victims are perfectly entitled to feel revenge, its completely normal. But justice should be objective.

And as someone who has been affected im unable to think like somebody who hasnt been affected. Maybe thats wrong but im happy to be in the wrong. I dont understand why anyone wouldnt want to see him dead.

 

[louandivy]

We are NOT talking about indiviudals. We have said over and over again that victims are perfectly entitled to feel revenge, its completely normal. But justice should be objective.

And as someone who has been affected im unable to think like somebody who hasnt been affected. Maybe thats wrong but im happy to be in the wrong. I dont understand why anyone wouldnt want to see him dead.

Because I don't believe in capital punishment.

 

[Hayley90]

Im affected every single day by 'his' actions... or more, the actions of the business he used to run. That he was the face of. He was just a glorified soldier to them.

Liam jets of to cyprus tomorrow for his 2nd tour of afghanistan, yet i am STILL able to think objectively and say that he should have been captured and interrogated, then put to trial. a bullet through the head killed him, and our hopes of ever finding out his secrets.

 

[xemmax]

We are NOT talking about indiviudals. We have said over and over again that victims are perfectly entitled to feel revenge, its completely normal. But justice should be objective.

And as someone who has been affected im unable to think like somebody who hasnt been affected. Maybe thats wrong but im happy to be in the wrong. I dont understand why anyone wouldnt want to see him dead.

I really believe that if he was guilty there are worse ways to punish him for his crimes than awarding him a death which he wasn't fearful of. In his eyes he'll now be rewarded for everything he did in his life.

 

[louandivy]

I do wonder, was Bin Laden genuinely an insane religious fanatic or was he a very evil man who wanted power and knew that religion the perfect way to control people with fear?

 

[Hayley90]

He believed in going to heaven as a reward with hundreds of virgins; death wasn't frightening for him at all. Certainly not as frightening as a tour of afghan is for a soldier, or a fireman in 9/11, or a passenger on 7/7

I think he wanted power and money moreso than to be 'evil' - his beliefs were strong, and immoral but to him i guess they were normal.