parents who dont vaccinate your babies??

Op hasnt no, posters have. She asked for no judgement. Fat lot of good that did. Some have made the thread hostile and not welcoming to all. It asked for non vaxers not judgemental vaxers opinions on non vaxers. People who reply and never actually listen to any one elses pov and understand. Even stereotyping non vaxers or assuming they all have that one reason. Or a specific set of them. I find any one who dosnt vax, dosnt matter why not gets some horrible treatment of some people. Just horrible.

This is massively hypocritical, I have seen you many, many times jump on people in regards to hot issues like sleep training and the such. Even when the OP has asked for no judgements you, and several others, have waded in and been massively judgemental of others. But when judgements are being made on something you do, oh no no no that is simply not allowed!! We have had several disagreements about it in the past.
 
Op hasnt no, posters have. She asked for no judgement. Fat lot of good that did. Some have made the thread hostile and not welcoming to all. It asked for non vaxers not judgemental vaxers opinions on non vaxers. People who reply and never actually listen to any one elses pov and understand. Even stereotyping non vaxers or assuming they all have that one reason. Or a specific set of them. I find any one who dosnt vax, dosnt matter why not gets some horrible treatment of some people. Just horrible.

This is massively hypocritical, I have seen you many, many times jump on people in regards to hot issues like sleep training and the such. Even when the OP has asked for no judgements you, and several others, have waded in and been massively judgemental of others. But when judgements are being made on something you do, oh no no no that is simply not allowed!! We have had several disagreements about it in the past.

Point made. Please, let's not derail this thread :flower: as some have mentioned ther are finding it beneficial.
 
I had my son vaccinated as I thought the risks associated with vaccinations highly outweighed to risks of not vaccinating, for me.
 
Thanknyou to those of you who have remained respectful on this thread. Either side could easily judgr the other side as parents either for putting chemicals in our babies bodies without fully understanding the risk or for not vaccinating against potentially fatal illnesses. Some parents on this thread have felt judged and that is sad. We all do what we as individuals think is best for our children so no one deserves bad judgement placed upon them. All I ask for is a difference of views and as it is a heated topic to answer politely without digging at the other posters views. We can all learn alot from eachother.

The other thing I wish to point out is that as a nurse in training I would not want to do my job if I knew what I was doing wasnt right. I joined medicine to help people not make them sick and Im pretty sure people within the health care sector all feel this way. Of course some are out to profit themselves but most care deeply about the people they are treating :)
 
Please excuse my typos Im on my phone lol xx
 
I choose not to vaccinate because my LO has a family history of strange reactions to vaccines. People on his daddy's side have nearly died and were in critical condition due to vaccines they were given. I already was on the fence about vaxxing my baby but upon hearing this my decision was final not to go through with it, not with that family history.

Same here, though the reactions were not as acute there is a history of vaccine induced allergic reactions both delayed and immediate in my family and two of my boys have been affected. I thought very carefully about it and delayed my youngest's vaccines until he was nearly two and due to him being over a year he didn't have all the vaccines they normally have at 2, 3 and 4 months. My youngest's legs still swelled up and went hard after having the delayed vaccines so I am glad that I delayed and with the new baby I will be delaying for the same time period. Xx

Me too, as far as reactions go, though we've chosen not to vax at all. DH's sister's legs swelled up after the Dtap (within minutes of getting the vaccine, while she was still in the pediatrician's office), and then a couple of hours later she had a seizure. She's had seizures ever since, many of which can't be controlled by meds, a couple of which have nearly killed her.

It's one of the hardest decisions I've made as a parent so far, but the more I research vaccines the scarier I find them. I completely understand why parents choose to vaccinate, but for us it just wasn't the right choice.

Also, and I'm wary of posting this tbh, but I figure what the heck :haha: My LO contracted pertussis over Christmas when she was 10 months old. Of course my DH and I were freaked out the first time we heard that awful cough at night, and we called her pediatrician on Christmas morning (woke the poor woman up!) Our pediatrician DOES do vaccinations IF parents want their kids to have them, but she respects parents' choices either way, and in general she tries to use naturopathic healing as much as possible (along with seriously promoting really good nutrition as a first defense against getting really ill), and uses allopathic medicine less as a preventative measure and more as an in-case-of-emergency measure. Anyway, we called about DD's cough, and she told us to run a humidifier with essential oils (lavender or eucalyptus) in her room at night, and to give her high doses of vitamin C. Honest to god, within a couple of days her horrendous, scary cough was gone; we continued with the C for 3 weeks, per pediatrician's instructions (she said the cough could return if we stopped too quickly), but once we did stop giving it to her she remained perfectly fine.

I'm sorry if this seems off-topic; I just meant to illustrate that sometimes there are measures you can take against really scary diseases that we traditionally immunize against. Obviously, every parent needs to do what they feel is best for their baby and their family, and a child's age and general health will probably affect how well various measures work, but this wasn't something I'd ever heard before, and as whooping cough was one thing I was terrified of LO getting, esp. as the Dtap was the vaccine that caused such problems with my SIL, such a natural cure was a big relief. :happydance:

Great post! I was going to post something about vitamin c therapy and whooping cough but didn't because of fear of backlash from judgmental people. But I have read that high doses of vitamin c are very effective in treating whopping cough. Whopping cough doesn't have to be some scary monster.

Thanks! Yeah, I was a bit nervous about wading into the fray here lol. And I definitely agree about whooping cough; until recently, I believed that it was something essentially untreatable, and likely deadly, that just had to be allowed to run its course (which could take weeks or months). Having Vitamin C therapy clear it up in a matter of days was incredible, and really makes me apt to question (even more) the usual allopathic therapies.
 
i have my kids vaccinated. admittedly i dont know much about it, its just the norm here. it never occurred to me to question the many years of medical research that has gone into it, if the medical experts think its best i have no reason to think otherwise
 
To the parents that don't vaccinate their babies/children, what do you say when people ask 'well your child could infect mine because he/she isn't vaccinated yet?' (If their child wasn't vaccinated at that time because of age or something like that)?

Vaccinated kids pass on more illnesses than unvaccinated :thumbup:
 
Op hasnt no, posters have. She asked for no judgement. Fat lot of good that did. Some have made the thread hostile and not welcoming to all. It asked for non vaxers not judgemental vaxers opinions on non vaxers. People who reply and never actually listen to any one elses pov and understand. Even stereotyping non vaxers or assuming they all have that one reason.
To be fair Dragonfly, pretty early on there was a massively judgmental post about vaxxers, straight up saying they were uninformed and defensive because they knew they were wrong, and lots of non-vaxxers quoted it and agreed, so the judgement is going both ways.

yes these came after the judgements, not really fair expecting the other end to just sit back and take it all.

Seems I have annoyed some by pointing out the horrible statements here. :thumbup:And who ever said I make judgements I dont call parents names for doing things , disagreeing is not the same thing Helen I have given many in here alternatives to sleep training and advice , I am sure admin wouldnt allow what you describe (but lets keep on topic I rather help people these days than argue). Many here managed to disagree without the judgement. Well done ladies that did. Thats the ones that hold up a debate and decent conversation.
 
To the parents that don't vaccinate their babies/children, what do you say when people ask 'well your child could infect mine because he/she isn't vaccinated yet?' (If their child wasn't vaccinated at that time because of age or something like that)?

Vaccinated kids pass on more illnesses than unvaccinated :thumbup:

Yes, because more kids are vaccinated. That's a bit like saying more car drivers have accidents than motorbike riders, ergo motorbike riding is safer. Yes, because there are more cars.

And @ df re your post on 'lumping all anti vaxers with the same'. I didn't think my post was disrespectful, I stated a fact that 'most' fall into one of those, I didn't pull them apart.
 
What if scientists developed a vaccine that could prevent your children from getting cancer (or any other big, terminal illness)? But it was still filled with the 'toxins' like the other vaccinations we are talking about? Would you stand by your word of not injecting unnecessary ingredients into your child or would you let them have it? Sorry if I offend anyone I'm just curious over topics like this :)

We have the cervical cancer vaccine and my teenage daughter did not get it,
It was a joint informed decision to not allow her to have it,
Out of over 1000 girls she was the on,y one in her school who did not get this vaccine
 
this may get ugly and be locked................
because i was selfish and thought i knew better than doctors....
nice pass agg.

no judgements :)
wait for it

this may get ugly and be locked................

my LO is fully vaccinated on the regular schedule. i could never live with myself if she got ill or nearly died from a rare disease, because i was selfish and thought i knew better than doctors....
, I just think it is irresponsible

The attitude of a large number of the anti vax parents is what really bothers me. I have some anti vax relatives...I asked them, what would happen if YOUR kid gets a serious disease, and passes it to mine, who I plan to vaccinate but is not old enough/hasn't had the whole series and their answer was....that's YOUR problem.


great attitude to have about children's health, IMO

We've just had a relative's baby in intensive care with whooping cough... oxygen the whole works - not pretty.

What annoys me, and what's already arisen in this thread is the way the anti-vaccination brigade love to claim they're the only informed parents (and by association smearing those who DO vaccinate as some kind of ignorant less caring creatures) and yet they're riding on the coat tails of those who DO vaccinate keeping the numbers and potential epidemics down.

Yes I've vaccinated - I don't believe in fobbing the responsibility to keep MY child safe off onto the rest of the world to do while I waft around in a cloud of holier than thou perfection. I've also had the whooping cough jab done while pregnant - having found out categorically from blood tests that I wasn't immune... because I was left unvaccinated from that because of a scare story in the era I was a baby.

I respect everybodys views as your the only one that can make that choice for your child! To be honest until I had my lo I just thought everybody got vaccinated! However I'm a bit wiser now I've had lo and if I thought for one minute it was doing harm I would not get my lo immunised. It's a risk that you take when you decide to not vaccinate your lo, but like I said if your happy with the research you have done it's your choice. I do want to add that if getting your lo vaccinated came with high risks it would be out there it would be on the news and doctors wouldn't vaccine!



I think we need to remember babies have been getting vaccinated for years over 30 years anyway!! If it was bad it wouldn't be done. It's allot of crap that doctors only dish out because they get more money!!!! Most give valid points about not vaccinating there children but allot of it sounds crazy new age nonsense "IMO" lol[/b]


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my thread was never meant to be a debate. I asked why people choose not to vaccinate out of curiosity. People were asked not to judge or rant but they have and now I'm annoyed that SOME people have turned my thread into a forum to put others down or question their motives!!

everyone is entitled to cast an oppinion but be mature and respectful after all we are all different and have reasons I simply asked what those reasons were..

no one should be affraid of judgement so be nice or dont post.
Its a shame no one would listen to you as I actually feel you started this thread and tried to keep people from doing what you didnt want to do. However many who have had trouble with vax of non vax wouldnt answer due to the above. Not the worst I have seen though. Sadly always the same. :nope: some shouldnt speak at all and really respect others decisions or keep the opinions that are judgemental to themselves. I am neither an anti or pro vaxer but I have reasons, sad ones to. No point on explaining its a sore subject with some who dont wish to be torn apart and called irresponsible bad parents and their kids being treated like they are walking diseases. Just realise the impact you have on some, swap shoes with them even. Every parent has a reason to do things, always for the best for their child. Respect that. Everyone.


funny how it isn't pointed out that it was judged that those who choose to vaccinate didn't do their research...quite interesting really.
 
Parents who do not vaccinate are often attacked by parents who do vaccinate. Why is it any of your concern? Why would you be worried? If your child is "VACCINATED" then you should have no problem with those who don't vaccinate. After all, your child won't 'get sick', right? So you are SO concerned for the health of my child? That you are willing to tell me I'm a bad parent for not vaccinating? I'm not sorry to say it, but I feel if you vaccinate without having done research, you fit the category of bad parent. In this day and age, it is essential to research. It is essential to go around the big pharmaceutical companies and the highly paid doctors and go behind the front lines, to discover for yourself what is going on. Watch documentaries, read the clinical experiments, open some books and do some research. This is your child's life, after all.

I got to 'if you vaccinate without having done research you fit the category of a bad parent' and I'm done...

Really? I live in the UK and our health care system is free. Doctors stand to make no profit from promoting vaccines.

My son is nearly 4 months and has had all the vaccines. I haven't researched them. So i guess I'm a bad parent.

To me it was as simple as I want him to have all the protection he can have. End of. Yes he might still get them but the chances are smaller.

There is a measles epidemic in britain https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21381274 Measles cases are at an 18 year high.

'Professor Ian Jones, from the University of Reading's School of biological sciences, said that "the current rate of infection, which is inversely related to the level of immunisation in the population, is unacceptably high".

"The numbers have been swollen by very localised pockets of infection (eg. an epidemic in Liverpool) and for most counties rates of immunisation of over 90% are the norm, the highest in 13 years."

He said the MMR vaccine offered lifelong protection from measles, mumps and rubella.'


And also the UK has suffered a whooping cough outbreak

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19013016

I was told by my midwife not to take him out as much as possible until he had his vaccinations due to the severe amount of cases of measles and whooping cough.

I don't understand people that don't vaccinate but it is your child. Your choice. I am not a 'bad parent' because I had vaccinations. My aunt has Whooping cough and my mum did too as they were unvaccinated and my aunt has severe lung problems even now. My dad's sister (my other aunt) had it and nearly died and still suffers health complications.

I will take every precaution possible to avoid my child getting these diseases.

Afterall. There are chemicals in the air from factories from cars...there are chemicals in our water, our food, the air we breathe...even rain is full of chemicals and stuff.

I'm afraid it is impossible to avoid all of these chemicals etc.

And chemicals that prevent a serious illness are ok with me! I mean most people wouldn't refuse modern medicine if they were dying or seriously ill so why resist something that can prevent that even happening?
 
I just wanted to add summer rain that I trust my doctor! Why on earth would they want a baby name for continually giving out a lethal injection to a sick baby then having that baby blue lighted to hospital! A stupid doctor at that. Doesn't make sense to me!!!

Doctors are encouraged, even forced, into such behaviour by the NHS! We had an NHS booklet on vaccination given to us by the HV we had with my youngest, in it it had advice on when it is safe to give vaccines which completely contradicted advice given in the manufacturers leaflets/package inserts. I only know one mum whose GP told her the truth that her baby should not have any subsequent doses of the pediacel vaccine, other parents I know whose children had a similar reaction were bulldozed into giving the further doses. I have been with a few different GP surgeries since having kids and it is only my current one that supports delayed vaccination or skipping certain vaccines if they are not suitable, the others their staff were in complete denial such reactions were even possible. There is a lot of NHS literature now which states clearly that children who have a milk allergy should not have anything containing bovine serum albumin and this includes vaccines, yet the pediacel vaccine given at 2,3 and 4 months does contain this and I don't see the NHS advising it should be avoided for babies with milk allergy? Xx
 
I think we need to remember babies have been getting vaccinated for years over 30 years anyway!! If it was bad it wouldn't be done. It's allot of crap that doctors only dish out because they get more money!!!! Most give valid points about not vaccinating there children but allot of it sounds crazy new age nonsense "IMO" lol

In the UK they don't only 'dish it out because they get more money', no, but doctors' surgeries are put under a lot of pressure both with visits from government heavies and funding carrots and sticks depending on if they get parents to vaccinate or not. I have heard of children having bad reactions to vaccines which the vaccine manufacturers say means further doses of that vaccine should not be given, I am talking child stopped breathing, had to go to hospital in an ambulance and spend a couple of days there. These parents were bullied into giving the further doses of the vaccine with an ambulance on standby and one mum on baby and bump both further doses of the vaccine ended up in being blue lighted to hospital. The manufacturers clearly state that in such cases it is dangerous for further doses of a vaccine to be given but doctors are so obsessed with meeting targets they are ignoring that. Not all alternative medicine and research by alternative doctors is quackery and some things considered as whack, new age hippy stuff in the past is now known to be best practice. Even if you look at the area of childbirth, in the 1700s it was considered madness to wash your hands before touching a patient or a new baby, now we know its essential, and even 40 years ago it was considered that the best position for a woman to give birth was on her back, and only mad hippy types considered it otherwise, it's now known this is the worst possible position for giving birth. There are so many other examples throughout the medical profession that I would not dismiss anything alternative as nonsense xx

I just wanted to add summer rain that I trust my doctor! Why on earth would they want a baby name for continually giving out a lethal injection to a sick baby then having that baby blue lighted to hospital! A stupid doctor at that. Doesn't make sense to me!!!

Doctors are encouraged, even forced, into such behaviour by the NHS! We had an NHS booklet on vaccination given to us by the HV we had with my youngest, in it it had advice on when it is safe to give vaccines which completely contradicted advice given in the manufacturers leaflets/package inserts. I only know one mum whose GP told her the truth that her baby should not have any subsequent doses of the pediacel vaccine, other parents I know whose children had a similar reaction were bulldozed into giving the further doses. I have been with a few different GP surgeries since having kids and it is only my current one that supports delayed vaccination or skipping certain vaccines if they are not suitable, the others their staff were in complete denial such reactions were even possible. There is a lot of NHS literature now which states clearly that children who have a milk allergy should not have anything containing bovine serum albumin and this includes vaccines, yet the pediacel vaccine given at 2,3 and 4 months does contain this and I don't see the NHS advising it should be avoided for babies with milk allergy? Xx

With one dose of our vaccines our HV was pushing us to give them even tho the date of the appointment was the day before our LO was due to have surgery. When i objected she did 'grudgingly' admit we 'should talk to our consultant at the hospital to see if its safe to give them'

Like i hadnt alreay done that. Idiototic woman. This is what infuriates me aboutt he whole if you immunise you must not have done any research thing
 
We did vaccinate, (aside from flu) and we did a lot of research so I can totally see why some choose not to. There are various examples of where the authorities have claimed something safe, even dished it out themselves for it later to be proven otherwise.

I can also understand why some vaxxers may be upset at non-vaxxers as it goes beyond what is best for your child, vaccination has to be taken up by a certain proportion to keep the disease in question at bay and there will always be some who are too young, intolerant to vax who then become vulnerable during an outbreak (we currently have a measles outbreak locally).

As far as vaccinating being profitable in the UK goes, yes the NHS is a free service but the drug companies are cerainly making a profit from this and I guess it is pressure and guidance/misguidance (whichever it may be) on our health service from them that we have to consider.

So as you can see I am firmly lodged on the fence here :haha:
 
Firstly, I've never read a no-vax thread and was here to see why people do it. My sister is a virilent no-vaxer, but gets too heated for discussion. I always end up unable to do anything but just listen. Her point mainly being the so-rare allergic reactions that are horrifying and terrifying to read about.

Secondly, I vaccinate - mostly out of fear. I admit that. My first LO had a horrendous birth and ended up in the NICU on loads of antibiotics. Her little immune system had little to no chance and by age 1 she'd been in and out of hospital catching everything you could name. A person can sneeze in the same room as her (a massive room, like a church auditorium) and she'd fall sick for roughly three weeks. I vaccinated her to give her as much protection as I possibly could. Even after reading what is in the MMR, I let her have it b/c even with the chix pox vaccine she had it.

Lastly - those quoting and responding to one another with comments strictly about judgmental or not, I'd love to see you just flat-out erase those comments and leave your boxes blank. Get this thread back on track. I am looking to be more educated; I have decisions to make. I am as much or more curious as to why people don't vax - I'd love to see loads of links of backed-up science on the matter. These "Oh yah, well it was the others who was more judgmental." comments are exactly what we don't need. As a vaxer looking for information I beg you, please, empty those boxes and let's move on. *friendly grin, and for clarification this last part was written with a genuine heart and not even a speck of anger, tenseness, or upset in the tone so please don't apply that to it* Thanks!
 
Sorry to go off subject a bit but to the non vaxers have you been vaccinated?
 
Sorry to go off subject a bit but to the non vaxers have you been vaccinated?

I was, yes; my husband was not fully vaccinated though, as a result of his sister's reaction to the Dtap.

However, the number of vaccines I was given as a child was a lot lower than the number given to kids now.

ETA: I haven't had most of the (many) boosters that are supposed to be necessary to keep immunity up for a lot of these vaccines.
 
We were vaccinated as kids because my grandmother nearly died of polio (USA - IN) as a teenager. I am unfamiliar with whether or not that specifically can be passed familialy. (Is that even a word? lol)

My question is this - are there any long-term results about the quality of health for children who weren't vaccinated? I'm also wondering if it would be the same or different since vaccines have changed so much in say the last 50 years.
 

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