parents who dont vaccinate your babies??

[Randianne]

To the people who were talking about vitamin C for whooping cough, could you point me to some more information on that? I'm really interested in how and why that works.

 

[Dragonfly]

this may get ugly and be locked................
because i was selfish and thought i knew better than doctors....

nice pass agg.

no judgements

wait for it

this may get ugly and be locked................

my LO is fully vaccinated on the regular schedule. i could never live with myself if she got ill or nearly died from a rare disease, because i was selfish and thought i knew better than doctors....

, I just think it is irresponsible

The attitude of a large number of the anti vax parents is what really bothers me. I have some anti vax relatives...I asked them, what would happen if YOUR kid gets a serious disease, and passes it to mine, who I plan to vaccinate but is not old enough/hasn't had the whole series and their answer was....that's YOUR problem.


great attitude to have about children's health, IMO

We've just had a relative's baby in intensive care with whooping cough... oxygen the whole works - not pretty.

What annoys me, and what's already arisen in this thread is the way the anti-vaccination brigade love to claim they're the only informed parents (and by association smearing those who DO vaccinate as some kind of ignorant less caring creatures) and yet they're riding on the coat tails of those who DO vaccinate keeping the numbers and potential epidemics down.

Yes I've vaccinated - I don't believe in fobbing the responsibility to keep MY child safe off onto the rest of the world to do while I waft around in a cloud of holier than thou perfection. I've also had the whooping cough jab done while pregnant - having found out categorically from blood tests that I wasn't immune... because I was left unvaccinated from that because of a scare story in the era I was a baby.

I respect everybodys views as your the only one that can make that choice for your child! To be honest until I had my lo I just thought everybody got vaccinated! However I'm a bit wiser now I've had lo and if I thought for one minute it was doing harm I would not get my lo immunised. It's a risk that you take when you decide to not vaccinate your lo, but like I said if your happy with the research you have done it's your choice. I do want to add that if getting your lo vaccinated came with high risks it would be out there it would be on the news and doctors wouldn't vaccine!

I think we need to remember babies have been getting vaccinated for years over 30 years anyway!! If it was bad it wouldn't be done. It's allot of crap that doctors only dish out because they get more money!!!! Most give valid points about not vaccinating there children but allot of it sounds crazy new age nonsense "IMO" lol[/b]

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my thread was never meant to be a debate. I asked why people choose not to vaccinate out of curiosity. People were asked not to judge or rant but they have and now I'm annoyed that SOME people have turned my thread into a forum to put others down or question their motives!!

everyone is entitled to cast an oppinion but be mature and respectful after all we are all different and have reasons I simply asked what those reasons were..

no one should be affraid of judgement so be nice or dont post.

Its a shame no one would listen to you as I actually feel you started this thread and tried to keep people from doing what you didnt want to do. However many who have had trouble with vax of non vax wouldnt answer due to the above. Not the worst I have seen though. Sadly always the same. some shouldnt speak at all and really respect others decisions or keep the opinions that are judgemental to themselves. I am neither an anti or pro vaxer but I have reasons, sad ones to. No point on explaining its a sore subject with some who dont wish to be torn apart and called irresponsible bad parents and their kids being treated like they are walking diseases. Just realise the impact you have on some, swap shoes with them even. Every parent has a reason to do things, always for the best for their child. Respect that. Everyone.

funny how it isn't pointed out that it was judged that those who choose to vaccinate didn't do their research...quite interesting really.

I should have made myself clear when I said everyone at the end there, pro and anti or just in between. I choose to vaccinate my children. I dont think any ones ignorant for it or didnt research, some do and decide thats best to. I didnt research even after I changed my mind as I am not anti or pro.

 

[MillieJoan]

To the people who were talking about vitamin C for whooping cough, could you point me to some more information on that? I'm really interested in how and why that works.

https://www.doctoryourself.com/whoop.html

https://www.modernalternativehealth...hy-is-everyone-so-scared-part-2/#.URfYN4XfZaU

https://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/...-c-in-whooping-cough-by-suzanne-humphries-md/

(Just an FYI--the last link is from an anti-vax site).

 

[ukgirl23]

if your using the vitamin C route then zinc along side is a great help

 

[NewMummyx]

When my son was 5 hours old he was rushed into Neonatal with a suspected infection. He was being tube fed my breastmilk, heart monitor, you name it. I was not allowed to touch my little boy for 2 days.
To watch him crying and in pain while not even being able to touch him truly broke my heart and it still upsets me.
Why would you risk this for your child? Medical science may be able to cure some of these illnesses but why should your child suffer and potentially die so you can have some moral high ground?
I would have given anything to stop him becoming infected and just to hold him.

Vaccines protect the old and the very young, but herd protection is simply not enough. I dont want to put anyone at risk of these horrible illnesses. Have you seen your child in hospital covered in wires? Have you seen a child with whooping cough struggle to breathe? I have, I truly wish I hadnt.

Babies die round the world annually of these illnesses wether in rich areas or not. If I can help stop this your damn right I will!

 

[misspriss]

Sorry to go off subject a bit but to the non vaxers have you been vaccinated?

No, I think the only thing I had was a Tetanus shot when I was 12 years old. I may have gotten a few, but my mom was pretty anti-vax. She has passed away now, so I don't know for sure if I got anything. I know I've never had MMR, but I may have had tetanus in some form. We were homeschooled, so it was not an issue until college but I had to fill out a form saying I understood I would be asked to leave college if there was an outbreak of Measles, Mumps, or Rubella. I know I didn't get chicken pox either, mom preferred we catch the pox instead - we had them. No big deal. My case was not bad at all, I never even spent any time in bed or anything. My sister had more fever and spent like an afternoon laying around watching TV, but that was it. Worst thing that happened was I didn't get a slumber party for my 9th birthday like I was supposed to, because we had just recovered from the Chicken pox and mom didn't want kids in the house to maybe catch it, so we had a party at the skating rink a little after my birthday.

 

[marron]

My LO will get the same vaccines I had as a child, and MMR will be delayed until later. He hasn't had the flu and won't be getting chickenpox.

 

[ukgirl23]

See when my little girl had chicken pox she had tonnes of blisters. she has ezcema with makes it worse. I counted 300 on her tummy alone. she was really poorly with a temp and flu symptoms and couldnt bend as she had blisters between her legs and under her arms even a few inside down below. She had to lay down straight until the blisters scabbed over. I could say actually her skin was like bubble wrap.. she sat on the toilet seat one day and popped a few so from then until they scabbed she had to pee in a pot. It was really awful. She has scars all over her back and tummy because her ezcema meant her skin never healed properly afterwards.. if we had the vaccine for chicken pox here I would have taken it for my son but when he did catch i he only had a few spots and most were in his hair he wasnt really poorly. But yeh for my poor daughter it was dreadful. Can imagine measles??? Those are ten times worse!!

My personal reason for vaccinating my children is because I love modern medicine for one I think it can do amazing things and for two I think the jabs are so much better than having the illness and it prevents more fragile people like those with cancer hiv etc and small children from getting sick from my child.

 

[ukgirl23]

Also people make chicken pox sound like an illness with a few itchy spots but both my children were i agony when they had it. I cried my eyes out everytime I had to put lotion on them because they screamed. in the end I got a spray bottle and had to spray lotion on to them and as I finished dabbingmy daughters spots new ones would have come up. It really was awful.


If your child has dry skin or eczema then I really do advise the vaccine xx

 

[BlueHadeda]

See when my little girl had chicken pox she had tonnes of blisters. she has ezcema with makes it worse. I counted 300 on her tummy alone. she was really poorly with a temp and flu symptoms and couldnt bend as she had blisters between her legs and under her arms even a few inside down below. She had to lay down straight until the blisters scabbed over. I could say actually her skin was like bubble wrap.. she sat on the toilet seat one day and popped a few so from then until they scabbed she had to pee in a pot. It was really awful. She has scars all over her back and tummy because her ezcema meant her skin never healed properly afterwards.. if we had the vaccine for chicken pox here I would have taken it for my son but when he did catch i he only had a few spots and most were in his hair he wasnt really poorly. But yeh for my poor daughter it was dreadful. Can imagine measles??? Those are ten times worse!!

My son's case of measles certainly sounded MUCH more benign than your daughter's case of chickenpox! Amazing.

My son was vaccinated, so tbh, maybe his case was lighter than it could've been? Though, I doubt it, because he had a perfect textbook case of it. Started off with a very high fever, red teary eyes and sore, red throat. This lasted for exactly 4 days (no wonder it's called the 4-day fever). The only relief was ibuprufen suppositories. But, that was the worst of it. He's been much more ill and in danger when he had scarlet fever.

After the 4 days of high fever, he got the rash. The moment the rash appeared, he was just about healthy again. The rash was bad though. It flowed together all across his upper body, and then down to his arms and legs and up in his face and head. The rash kept on appearing (new spots) until 3 weeks after!! But, it only itched a little, and basically I never needed to "doctor" him with anything after the 4 days of fever. No ointment, no lotion, no medication, nothing. He was as normal as could be, except for this rash. As I said, he was much more ill with scarlet fever.

So I'm not sure why people fear measles so much? If there's no complications, it's actually a self limiting illness. Now, if there were a vaccine against scarlet fever, I'd be first in line!

 

[Dragonfly]

I had measles, mumps, chicken pocks and so did every one around the same age here, we didnt have mmr then. And I know it can do real harm to children just saying it was different back in my day, never heard of deaths either in my area from them illnesses. They normally only vaccinate back then if you have problems same as the flu vax is only offered if you have underlying problems here. I dont have many vaccines at all. I am not sure why my parents remain puzzled why I wasnt called in school when they gave them out.

 

[ukgirl23]

Well she was so sick with chicken pox we almost had her hospitalised she could not move at all it was awful and heart breaking to watch so I just wanted to say chicken pox isnt just a cold and itchy spots its terrible and painful and has scarred my daughter for life.

I wouldnt want her to have measles or scarlet fever or anything like that again. Heartbreaking to watch.

Im sure it effects different people different ways x

 

[My_First]

See when my little girl had chicken pox she had tonnes of blisters. she has ezcema with makes it worse. I counted 300 on her tummy alone. she was really poorly with a temp and flu symptoms and couldnt bend as she had blisters between her legs and under her arms even a few inside down below. She had to lay down straight until the blisters scabbed over. I could say actually her skin was like bubble wrap.. she sat on the toilet seat one day and popped a few so from then until they scabbed she had to pee in a pot. It was really awful. She has scars all over her back and tummy because her ezcema meant her skin never healed properly afterwards.. if we had the vaccine for chicken pox here I would have taken it for my son but when he did catch i he only had a few spots and most were in his hair he wasnt really poorly. But yeh for my poor daughter it was dreadful. Can imagine measles??? Those are ten times worse!!

My son's case of measles certainly sounded MUCH more benign than your daughter's case of chickenpox! Amazing.

My son was vaccinated, so tbh, maybe his case was lighter than it could've been? Though, I doubt it, because he had a perfect textbook case of it. Started off with a very high fever, red teary eyes and sore, red throat. This lasted for exactly 4 days (no wonder it's called the 4-day fever). The only relief was ibuprufen suppositories. But, that was the worst of it. He's been much more ill and in danger when he had scarlet fever.

After the 4 days of high fever, he got the rash. The moment the rash appeared, he was just about healthy again. The rash was bad though. It flowed together all across his upper body, and then down to his arms and legs and up in his face and head. The rash kept on appearing (new spots) until 3 weeks after!! But, it only itched a little, and basically I never needed to "doctor" him with anything after the 4 days of fever. No ointment, no lotion, no medication, nothing. He was as normal as could be, except for this rash. As I said, he was much more ill with scarlet fever.

So I'm not sure why people fear measles so much? If there's no complications, it's actually a self limiting illness. Now, if there were a vaccine against scarlet fever, I'd be first in line!

Was it defiantly measles or was it German measles. The latter is much more mild.

 

[Dragonfly]

Well she was so sick with chicken pox we almost had her hospitalised she could not move at all it was awful and heart breaking to watch so I just wanted to say chicken pox isnt just a cold and itchy spots its terrible and painful and has scarred my daughter for life.

I wouldnt want her to have measles or scarlet fever or anything like that again. Heartbreaking to watch.

Im sure it effects different people different ways x

I agree with this, it does effect people in different ways same as vaccines can effect people in different ways to and some get adverse effects more than others.

 

[Sproglet]

And yet when my 3 year old niece got chicken pox she barely even noticed. She was more upset that she couldn't go to nursery or see me (I was pregnant at the time, and have a compromised immune system so stayed away just in case).

 

[My_First]

I had measles, mumps, chicken pocks and so did every one around the same age here, we didnt have mmr then. And I know it can do real harm to children just saying it was different back in my day, never heard of deaths either in my area from them illnesses. They normally only vaccinate back then if you have problems same as the flu vax is only offered if you have underlying problems here. I dont have many vaccines at all. I am not sure why my parents remain puzzled why I wasnt called in school when they gave them out.

And this I agree, I too had nothing in terms of jabs ( I explained this in my first post). But measles was rare, normally people got German measles. (Rubella).

But I guess the thing is we were healthy kids when we got it, what if the sick kids, elderly, pregnant women ect. Also some have some serious consequences if not addressed as kids. Finally we can eradicate them eventually through vaccinations so the vulnerable don't get infected, I think that's a good thing.
(I caveat to say not an attack on you personally am was more a rhetorical question than questioning you, I do agree that with you!)

 

[ticking.clock]

My daughter had measles twice before having her MMR
She was a little sleepy but that's it

I don't believe that childhood illnesses are as bad as we are led to believe for the majority of people, but like anything an immune compromised person will get it worse, even those illnesses we don't have protection against.

 

[omfgski]

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[Dragonfly]

I had measles, mumps, chicken pocks and so did every one around the same age here, we didnt have mmr then. And I know it can do real harm to children just saying it was different back in my day, never heard of deaths either in my area from them illnesses. They normally only vaccinate back then if you have problems same as the flu vax is only offered if you have underlying problems here. I dont have many vaccines at all. I am not sure why my parents remain puzzled why I wasnt called in school when they gave them out.

And this I agree, I too had nothing in terms of jabs ( I explained this in my first post). But measles was rare, normally people got German measles. (Rubella).

But I guess the thing is we were healthy kids when we got it, what if the sick kids, elderly, pregnant women ect. Also some have some serious consequences if not addressed as kids. Finally we can eradicate them eventually through vaccinations so the vulnerable don't get infected, I think that's a good thing.
(I caveat to say not an attack on you personally am was more a rhetorical question than questioning you, I do agree that with you!)

I did get rubella shot in secondary school I remember that one. As I was asked when preg if I had that. We sort of agree on something and I know it wasnt an attack.

 

[misspriss]

Genuine question because I don't really understand how it works longterm but:

If everyone who was able to got vaccinated against measles, mumps and rubella, would it wipe them out? Or would the fact that people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons or age aren't vaccinated mean they will stick around? Do vaccinated children still carry measles, mumps and rubella even if they don't get sick themselves or can they not carry it once vaccinated?

Lots of questions lol.

I don't know, you would think that if an entire generation were vaccinated, there would be no more need for vaccines. But it doesn't work that way I guess. But there is a whole world to consider, things that are virtually unheard of in some countries are still risky in others.

Yes, vaccinated children can carry and spread diseases that they do not actually catch.

Vaccines can wear off, that is why some people who already got vaccinated for whooping cough can still get it, and why you have to get "boosters" for some vaccines.